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It will be interesting to see how long they live considering that Europe after this diesel scandal is now considering raising the emissions hurdle. I could not find anything other than stories about discussions. Yet if they get their way, the life of the V8 and V12 could be shorter than it has been in the past. I will agree to the sentiment that V8s and certainly V12s have a limited life span going forward...but I did not want to discuss that. I wanna discuss BMW's I6. SMK...not only are V8s and V12s gonna be limited... BMWs...especially the 3 Series...and now the 2 Series and 4 Series...and the 5 Series...including the "M" versions of these...are known for the inline 6.... Why? You said it yourself SMK...BMW's I6...I6s in general, are smooth and well balanced. BMWs...whether regular or "M" version, are known to be very well balanced sportds sedans. Enough power, not over-whelming, mixed with just the right amount slalom handling and steering. The perfect balance. Engine, suspension and steering. Smooth and not over-powerful. Like an American muscle car or M-B AMG trim. The E39 M5 did indeed have a V8...but it was far from being a torque monster muscle car. It was smooth and well balanced. Have you noticed that every M5 since has not exactly been a purists favorite? The way you have philosophized this is BMW should "AMG", "SRT8", or "SS" itself with V8s in their "M" cars...but if they do that, then BMW truly has lost the war with its competition as THAT is NOT what BMW is all about. BMW, especially now that V8s are gonna be in limited use, should just continue in being what BMW always was...inline 6s and all... BMW kept up with the horsepower wars introducing twin turbos to their I6s without going to a V8... If anything, BMW has lost its way when they have introduced V8s, V10s and SAVs in their line-up. I feel that when BMW engineers introduced twin turbos to their I6s, the little light bulb went on again and they realized the wrong path they took when they decided to chase M-B in the horsepower, cylinder count war.

Nope. No Im not joking! And dont call me "Surely"!

If road-tripping at the absolute drop of a hat is a priority, maybe Tesla's not for you. Otherwise if you can spare five minutes out of your busy schedule on Google Maps and Tesla's website, you can plot out supercharger locations as well as nearby businesses and eateries that'd appreciate your half hour of patronage. But based on your 'road trip arguments,' you appear to always be in a super rush and your time is super-duper important and you haven't a moment at all to spare and your destination expects you immediately and your schedule is incredibly time sensitive. So Tesla isn't for a road warrin', wheelin'-dealin', pedal-to-the-metal, workin' overtime'n, string-pullin', mover-and-shaker like yourself. That was beautifully said! Thanks, Olds! Dont mention it. No really. Please dont mention it as I wasnt referring to you!

fan-faux-king-tastic electric rides a-drag racin' Mr. DFELT!

If road-tripping at the absolute drop of a hat is a priority, maybe Tesla's not for you. Otherwise if you can spare five minutes out of your busy schedule on Google Maps and Tesla's website, you can plot out supercharger locations as well as nearby businesses and eateries that'd appreciate your half hour of patronage. But based on your 'road trip arguments,' you appear to always be in a super rush and your time is super-duper important and you haven't a moment at all to spare and your destination expects you immediately and your schedule is incredibly time sensitive. So Tesla isn't for a road warrin', wheelin'-dealin', pedal-to-the-metal, workin' overtime'n, string-pullin', mover-and-shaker like yourself. That was beautifully said!

Its too intelligent for us to comprehend, Suave.

Fear mongering in this thread made it into a range anxiety thing...even a reliability thing...FAP TURBO has got the right idea... But..when humanity has no knowledge of something, humanity fears it, ridicules it and is biased against it. And yes SMK...when people are pressed for time, and in today's society, it seems that they are always pressed for time...people hardly drive long distances anymore, the take the airplane... And if they must drive for whatever reason, people actually rent cars...in other words, people hardly ever use their personal vehicles for long distance traveling anymore...but...it makes for a more interesting thread to whine and complain... This is the latest whine fest at Cheers and Gears....be sure to turn in tomorrow...as these are the days of our lives at Cheers and Gears. That is how the world turns, at Cheers and Gears.

Beat me to it!!! Does the tow truck driver bring out a latte too? http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4008646/thumbs/o-TESLA-KIDS-CAR-570.jpg?16 Is this the loaner car you get? Good one... I wonder if GM gave its Z06 owners this as a loaner when they tracked their car when the Z06 experienced heat soak issues...

You know what is a funnier joke? The Model S is closing in on 200 000 units sold...

There would definitely be range anxiety for me still. Check the maps above for how close I am to stations. Yes, it would be VERY seldom that I'm driving more than 200 miles in one day but outside of the STL area, it gets pretty sparse... I could travel to Chicago from where I'm at though! I saw that. When I posted that, I was thinking of you.

Im really pissed at Sergio... Im seriously afraid of the future of Mopar. Im excited for Tesla as an EV company. I want them to succeed. Ive got long term excitement for EVs. Ill eventually buy one. In the short term, Im afraid no EV will get my business just yet. The Bolt and Volt are too small for my business and family needs. The Tesla Model S is just too much money for me to fork over just for an automobile. I could afford one, Im not sure I want to spend it all on a car. Ive got too many projects that I want to complete before I start buying 100 000 dollar cars. I dont think Ill ever buy a 100 000 dollar car. Even my dream of restomodding a 1970 Olds 442 might not come to fruition. So...Model S is a no go for me. I want a Model S sized car...like my current 2012 Acura TL if you will...that has the Model S's range....but at the $40 000 - $50 000 CDN price range....Ill take a 100% EV car the size of the Fusion/Malibu...at Ford/Chevy prices with a tad less range...but we are not there yet. What we do have is a Chevy Volt...which is a Chevy Cruze size vehicle at Impala/Malibu price tag and still uses gasoline to a degree. Too small, too high a price tag and Im not completely off of oil and engine fluids... for me to consider it viable. For it to make financial sense. Another 10 years and we will probably be there. So Im might as well continue enjoying V6 engines while they last. V8s are too expensive in Quebec for their up keep.

I thought...Casa, that American car companies tickled your fancy? Silicon Valley headquartered or not, Tesla is still American! And when did something that was offered for free was a bad thing?

My partner owns his Model S P85D for about 3 months now....and no probs... OK...its still a new car. The only thing he had was a little braking snafu...a software issue regarding regenerative braking and snow/ice/moisture collection on the brake pads and the car not reacting to slow down fast enough...since then, he chooses the days he wants regenerative braking engaged or not. And...range anxiety in 2016 is all but diminished... But then again, it depends on what part of the country/continent one is from. Im assuming in the North East...not much of a problem. Im assuming in California, not much of an issue either... But like I posted above...the gap where gas stations dont exist will fill up soon enough... Like I said above...EVs are still in the early adopters stage... As far as Tesla's reliability is concerned....at the very worst, just as reliable as the mainstream players...

The EV is still at the early adopters stage. But that stage is slowly coming to an end as EVs are gaining more ground by the month. Tesla is closing in on 200 000 sales. http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a28165/if-you-want-a-tesla-model-s-with-ev-incentives/ And when the Bolt comes along with the Tesla Model 3, the pendulum will quickly swing from there. And if the EPA succeeds in punishing VW with forcing them to build charge stations. http://www.cheersandgears.com/_/news/volkswagen/as-the-diesel-emits-epa-could-make-volkswagen-build-evs-in-the-us-r3371 And if Provincial and State Governments also pitch in for EV infrastructure like Quebec is doing...and Im sure others will follow suit as soon as the Bolt and Tesla Model 3 will explode in popularity... Quebec, Ontario and California joint effort. http://www.21stcentech.com/quebec-ontario-invest-ev-charging-infrastructure/ Quebec re-investing in its own Province with Nissan as a Partner... http://montrealgazette.com/business/local-business/quebecs-ev-charging-network-gets-a-major-boost Im sure the EV charging stations to automobile fossil fuel refueling stations ratio will almost become equal in no time... And no...aint no way Im buying a CT6 Hybrid... A Chevrolet Volt...definitely... A CT6 Hybrid...NEVER! Why? Why would I spend almost at the 100 000 dollar barrier on a 4 cylinder? If Im spending that much coin on an EV...Id rather have one that gets me off of gasoline completely 100%. Tesla it is at that price point, a very powerful EV. A vehicle that gets the range and the speed. And the mojo. Why settle for anything less? The CT6 that Id buy is the one that drinks the fossil fuels... Either the TTV6 or most probably, the 4.2 liter V8. Its up top me to decide what it is I wanna do. Get off of oil 100%, or just say phoque it, V8 burble is too precious for me to forget about so easily.

This rendering is just a BMW 6 Series in rendering form... Larger and a roof line and green house not as sporty...so...that 8 Series rendering is...an uglier version of the 6 Series.

For better or worse...much much worse...I HATE marketing that relies peddling stuff with focus groups on tap... Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not...if the sales are there, then I guess it works...right? My dad used to tell me about an old Canadian Army adage...he was donning a Canadian uniform as a soldier during WW2, and an American one during the Korean war... DAZZLE them with brilliance, and if that dont work...BAFFLE them with bullshyte... Interesting read that Camaro link...again, nothing that impressed me with. But Im on your side with this 4 door coupe Hyper...if that means anything to you....or anybody else. THIS...THIS is all HE had to say....because in reality....THAT is true for ANY car...for ANYTHING actually...FAMILIARITY is NOT an UNCOMMON factor...or idea...focus group and focus group talk is someone baffling them with bullshyte... FAMILIARITY is the REAL DEAL...so why even sugar coat it with such BS? Because we have come accustomed to having marketing "geniuses" lie to us...its so bad that even engineers are unto the marketing spiel bandwagon...

Its sounds "bad" because of stupid elitism that marketing "geniuses" have instilled in most of us to be pretentious about things that we know nothing about, yet marketing catch phrases have made experts in all of us...and hence this dialogue we are having about NASCAR...which results in us questioning the validity about left only turns and carburetors and 4 speed transmissions. OHV and OHC valves and horsepower per liter and shyte like that.

Plus...the BUMPING and GRINDING the NASCAR car endures. We ALL forgot about how RUGGED the NASCAR race car is... Try tailgating and hitting the guy next to you, in front of you and hitting the side of the race track in ANY other race venue and see if your car continues to run...

About 4 speed transmissions... Do they work for their intended purpose? Is there a reason to go to 10 speed paddle shifters? I heard that this "old" transmission is still the lightest in the industry...so...is it really necessary to change? Because after all, in most cases, its an oval race track, like I asked in the first question....does a 4 speed transmission work for its intended purpose? If there is no need to complicate things, then why fix when it aint broke? My question is, are carburetors still used? Or have they gone to fuel injection? Either way...even if NASCAR is still using carbs, it dont bother me....part of the charm. Just like how Formula One wants all out technology. Part of Formula One's charm... As an example: Canadian Football versus American Football Its a matter of preference. Its not a case of one being better than the other. The CFL as of late, is actually MORE entertaining than the NFL currently is...

This....I agree with 100%. The term 4 door coupe. OK, we might not like the term, and maybe the term is marketing BS and some of us might not even like the the looks, but its a style that at least breaks from the cookie cutter designs of mainstream sedans, even luxo sedans. I love 4 door coupes. Not all of them. I fell out of love with the Audi A7 very quickly. It hasnt been a year that I enjoy the BMW 6 Series GC. And the M-B CLS. I have lusted over this one since the very first one back in 2004. The VW CC, its a sexy car, at least it looks different and better than comparable offerings with "proper" roof lines. And what a difference it is from its Passat brother. Its sporty looking, with 4 doors. Ditto with the BMW 3 Series and the 4 Series GC. In the end though, it dont matter what OEMs, coach builders and marketing "geniuses" call the body styles, it ends up being semantic definitions anyway. Sports car definition has changed dramatically since the term was first coined in the 1910s or 1920s... Muscle car definition: that has many people tied in a knot. No 4 doors allowed. ONLY V8s allowed. ONLY American cars allowed. NO pony cars allowed. NO fullsized cars allowed. ONLY mid-sized intermediates allowed. MUST be affordable. NO cars before 1964 and after 1970...or 1971...or 1972... or 1973...(some muscle car purists cant even agree on what the cut-off year should be) Yet...even in the USA, from years 1964-1974...many of those rules for muscle cars have been broken from the OEMs themselves. An Olds 442 and a Buick GSX were EXPENSIVE. A 1967 Pontiac GTO, technically the "first" muscle car nameplate was a HUGE car...nothing midsized about it... An Olds Vista Cruiser could be optioned with the 442 455 engine...and the Vista Cruiser was a station wagon, yet Olds made sure you knew it was a muscle car. Corvettes with the big blocks were marketed as muscle cars in the late 1960s as that market niche was the "in" market... So...THOSE are the reasons why I dont mind the terminology "4 door coupe" and why they exist in the first place.

Ah.... age old sarcasm. The good 'ol days when one could talk on the phone and drive at the same time. Then there is the new version for the millennials to enjoy... And everybody's favorite At least with the Tesla, it aint false advertisement... The toy Tesla as well as the real thing both run on batteries...

I dont know about that... The only one that seems to sell well is the BMW X6. The Infinity ones were let to rot on the vine...so Ill give that as success too... But, the Acura one failed big time and well, the M-B version is still young, I guess its selling well due to the fact that many Eurotrash oriented M-B snobs want one to rub it in the noses of the BMW oriented Eurotrash neighbors of theirs...next year or so will really reveal if the M-B version will have conquered sales from lets say...the Escalade...because the Escalade is still THE top dog SUV in that price range, give or take a few thousand dollars...its still the same niche market. SUVs for Buick need to be more traditional.

I think its a 1976 Trans Am and a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. If that is what you are asking. If its a question for me to acknowledge coupes and sedans and stuff....both are 2 door coupes. I think... Because maybe that Challenger could be considered something else since its based on a sedan? Or even the Trans Am.... Because I happen to know also that sedans and coupes have different levels of definitions. Especially going back into automotive history. Hence my original pics....and now, Im just over thinking things...

I share your sentiment. Modern Rolls Royces and Bentleys dont do much for me... The Mulsanne is pretty, but I would not buy one had I money. I hope the new Phantom keeps the Rolls Royce cachet of it being a huge vehicle with a huge grille and stuff, but I hope its much much more prettier. One thing I cant deny the Phantom, it has presence...but none that ever impressed me with.