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1LE man....get it in yellow and you are a fantasy movie star pleasuring yourself to the thoughts of a semi naked Megan Fox.

I hope you guys realize...that your arguments for the 1LE arent doing the Camaro 1LE any justice... The over zealous fanfare is exactly that...over zealous.

Hey...you said it yourself....STUPID MOVIE....and Chevrolet has got that blood all over their hands...by themselves... A Stingray that really aint the Stingray...and a 2016 Camaro that really aint the 2016 Camaro... Zeta Bumblebee. Latest Edition Actual 2016 Alpha Camaro. Transformers Edition Camaro In the meantime...HE IS GUSHING OVER THE GT350R so much for your hooray hooray GM Bravada! OOOPS....that is a dead GM model on a dead GM brand...I meant to say for your hooray hooray GM Bravado!

Need for what? Your bench seat racing? Your arm chair shenanigans? You know, the kind that adolescent boys do when they look at stats... I invite you once more to listen to Jay's commentary on the GT350...R. because according to that cool cat...the GT350R is an AMAZING vehicle...so...I guess that is all that is needed for Ford too...

It is buddy... Very blah! Just like the 2010 model...nothing has changed on it... What? Round front fenders as opposed to a straight slab? So it saw Jenny Craig... You see... 1969 Camaro 2010 Camaro 2015 Camaro ILE or Z/28 2016 Alpha Camaro http://www.today.com/health/kirstie-alley-talks-50-pound-weight-loss-time-its-different-1D80404553 Kirstie Alley talks 50-pound weight loss: 'This time it's different'

Hey..what about a Camaro with a Voltec powertrain? Nah...the Voltec deserves a much better exterior package than that ...so...a yeah...a Prius does sound like a nice start...

If you rooted for winners...you'd be a Mustang fan today, as the Mustang cleaned the Camaro's clock in 2002... Sales wise... And quite honestly, in the corporate world....IE the real world, THAT is the ONLY thing that counts. EL K....GM is making fan-phoking-tastic cars today...but...on the Camaro...lets be honest...its kinda on the bland side. OK...so its got a Corvette engine, and it handles better than a Porsche because the chassis is sublime...OK But does it got the "cool" factor? I dont think it does.... Honestly...Id rather the Corvette. It does everything the Camaro does...even if a 1LE might do it better than a base Stingray. The Vette....its cool. The Camaro...1LE or Z/28...looks like its trying real hard to fit in....somewhere in between a Mustang GT350 and bigger brother Corvette... And...if a Z/28 wants to approach 700...that DEFINITELY tells me that Camaro is trying real hard to be liked. The Camaro does not have Megan Fox semi-naked anymore to up sell it...The big bad robots are getting stale. In the meantime...Ill enjoy Hell on wheels called the Hellcat a tad more...with the Ferrari like hypnotic sounds of the GT350...because if I wanted to listen to the Detroit Motown sound Chevy Small Block V8...there is the Vette for that...

You're missing the point. You're going to bat for the Mustang as bad as he goes to bat for Das Boots. And neither argument holds water. Ccap himself has said that despite the Shelby name a local dealer just sold one for list. People aren't just lining up to say "take my money" anymore. They want steak, not sizzle. It matters not a jot if you can reach the limits of either on the street-you're paying for the POTENTIAL to be able to do something. And you're paying more for the same ability if you buy the Ford. And the Ford just can't match the bang for the buck that Chevy offers. There. Is. No. Escaping. That. If Im going to bat for the Mustang as hard as he does for Das Boots... Arent you going to bat for the Camaro as hard for Yankee Doodle Dandee? But you are allowed to go ape for Yankee Doodle Dandee though... Argument style...not what he actually does...

You aint doing that... Besides...I could read. Actually, I read THREE languages...there is no need for you to "point out" what was said... What YOU are doing is EXACTLY what Wings was doing... You cant see that? Now...I aint about to let you go just because I like you and I did not like Wings... Fair is fair... You say the GT350 overpriced...great...dont buy one. But...dont try to justify your biases to me... This Mustang is not the 2005 Mustang where a few glaring mistakes were on it... This 2016 Mustang GT350R is truly a special vehicle...and if Chevy keeps this up on its DULL Camaro...it will eventually die off again... PERFORMANCE NUMBERS...EVEN on PERFORMANCE CARS are NOT the end all be all... The Camaro...15 years ago...KILLED the Mustang in performance numbers...and we all know how that ended up... The here and the now??? Yeah...you argue like Wings...expect me to argue with you like I did with him...

About SMK....leave him out of this...he hasnt chimed in...

Yup! The GT350 aint overpriced EL K... That is you trying to shove Chevy over Ford in our faces... YOU are NOT in the right here and now...because had you were...you would be a little more like Jay Leno regarding the GT350...and a little less self absorbed. Yeah...the Camaro 1LE and a possible future Z/28 will eviscerate ANY Mustang... SO BLOODY WHAT? Are you tracking them cars El K? Because I know you cant track them on the street... Jay Leno took out the Recaros on his personal GT350 and he put the standard GT seats in... Why did he do that? So he could ACTUALLY ENJOY the Mustang GT350 R...GT350R no less...on the street...and we know that Jay actually tracks cars too...and we know that he ENJOYS JUST DRIVING THEM!!! Over priced? Hell, if I ever bought a Turbo 4 cylinder Camaro at ONLY 26 000 dollars Id be OVER PAYING...'cause I KNOW ID WANT TO COMMIT SUICIDE EVERY TIME ID LOOK AT IT... Oh...so you are talking about engineering... Yeah...real clever for GM to take a platform from a Cadillac and make it into a Chevy...that is good...no trolling... But Ford took a Flat Plane Crank approach for a V8 at 5.2 liters because...well...for the PHOQUE OF IT!!! It works dude! And its well worth the price of admission... For track days? Yeah well, if I was tracking for money...Id buy myself a REAL track car....something that has no backseats, no radio, no AC...roll bars...no interior whatsoever... Yeah...the interior would be something like that...so yeah...in other words...a Camaro 1LE with all that crap inside is MONEY WASTED... Because...you know...unnecessary weight and all... If I was cruising...you bet your ass it would be the GT350R...JUST FOR THE UNIQUE ENGINE SOUND... So yeah EL K...sorry if I think your trolling is...trolling.

C'MON EL K... You went from dissing the Ford Mustang GT350 and how to fix it to straight trolling Ford and their lack of RWD platforms... You know...Wings is no longer posting here, there is no Ford PR fluff master to "put into place"... MOPAR...you did mention the Giulia...HA! the Giulia is POSTPONED... But...lets talk about MOPAR... With an "old" platform, MOPAR still manages to keep the Challenger cool and hip. Even with Euro badge snobs, this car is revered... Ford...albeit not in the point in time I was looking at the GT350 at the Montreal auto show...the GT350 EL K...lets get that clear... Ford has made the GT350 into a lustful machine...Euro badge snobs look at it and wished their Euro trashed car was more like it...Jay Leno's words, not mine...and lets be honest...his circle of car guy friends sure makes yours and my car guy friends look like pansies... Lets be honest about the Camaro... Its a car with a CORVETTE engine under the hood. Yeah...you think that is a good marketing angle? Id rather just buy a Corvette and I could stop pretending owning a Corvette by driving a Camaro... And I aint even gonna talk about the bag over the head looks its got... You see EL K...I could troll Chevy just as good you try to troll Ford... Now...you know I dont want to do that.

OK... Smart money was on the Bow Tie in the 1990s too, but we all know how that turned out... Ford dropped OHV in favor of OHC and even downsized cubic inches... Ford introduced a car with movie ties who a dead man made famous... Ford made a no-nonsense race/track car with radio and back seat delete which was barely quicker than a Trans Am WS6...a Trans Am WS6 with leather and T-Tops...and somehow Ford kept on producing the Mustang while GM... Also...listen to what Jay Leno says about this car...the GT350...R. Listen to the whole video... and especially listen to what he says @ 2:00 "I think this has the greatest engine currently built in America.....It truly is an amazing automobile." @ 2:46 "This is a true sports car, now that is what makes it exciting" @ 11:20 "And this is a car, I, its probably, I would call it a BMW fighter, I know a lot of guys that have the "M" Series come over -how many horsepower- they seem a little jealous makes it kind of fun!" @ 15:42 Jay: "Cause I was trying to think this is probably, at least for 2015/16/17, one of the few normally aspirated V8s making this kind of horsepower isnt it? There really isnt anything out there anymore!" Ford Guy: "We think we are the last 500 horsepower plus NATURALLY ASPIRATED V8 on the planet" Before you say PR fluff because there was a Ford engineer there with him, he invites plenty of GM engineers when he does GM cars too...check out the CTS-V Jay Leno Garage video for proof. Remember EL K...Jay Leno is a PURE enthusiast...he dont give a phoque where the car comes from...just as long its a unique enthusiast's car. He sees the Mustang GT350...R for what it is...a TRUE SPORTS CAR...a EUROPEAN style SPORTS car with probably THE GREATEST ENGINE CURRENTLY BUILT in AMERICA with the ONLY one making 500 plus NATURALLY ASPIRATED horsepower! All fine and dandy..the Camaro 1LE. All fine and dandy its a formidable machine...it could take me to the moon and back. I would not have it...its FUGLY!!! Ill take this GT350 any day of the week...its unique...more so than the 1LE....the 1LE engine...well, I could restomod a 1969 Camaro and have me that small block Chevy under the hood...hell, I could LS swap a NISSAN or a Porsche and marvel at a Chevy Small Block! But you know what EL K? NOBODY has got a 5.2 liter Flat Plane Crank V8 in ANY sports car....just that MUSTANG GT350R... You know I respect you, but not when it comes to this kinds of stuff... The GT350 is in a class all by itself...performance numbers BE DAMNED!!!

Count me in as one of those folks that is fearing the worst for FCA. I was excited for FCA when they announced the Giulia and what are its expectations a year ago. Since then though, all that is stuck in my head is this: 1. Viper being shut down because platform does not conform to new safety regs... "new" generation Viper is only a couple of years old and already dated...not a good sign of things to come...even though Sergio says that a Viper could exist in the near future.... How is that possible when... 2. FCA announces that the Giulia is postponed due to the fact that it does not pass certain safety regs... Vapor ware Giulia is truly Vapor ware...and 300/Charger/Challenger replacement I guess is postponed as well and its long overdo....and this only becomes even more long overdo. 3. New sedans in key segments that could make money for FCA that came right after FCA was formed are now killed off...so future entry to these key segments WILL mean MORE BILLIONS needed in the future...billions that FCA does not have now, nor will it ever have... 4. FCA is counting on 1 brand...JEEP...to raise cash for the entire kit and caboodle...1 brand...and that brand also needs billions in R&D to stave off massive competition from relatively the whole automobile universe as the whole bloody industry is focusing on CUVs and SUVs... I fear for FCA... I dont care really... For Chrysler and Dodge I will weep massive tears. JEEP WILL survive...they could survive on their own actually. I may shed a tear and a half for Alfa Romeo...but that is it...

OK...I visited the Dodge Power Wagon thread and that got me off the Corvette buzz. Im not a truck guy by any means, however, there are some trucks that get me going. This is what got me off the Corvette buzz.

Im still on a Corvette buzz

I love this car... Ill post another angle of it. I love this car too...Ill post another angle of this one too. And when I got to this one, my heart went BOOM! I wasnt expecting it...it was a pleasant surprise. Yes, GM from the 1950s-1970s would be my favorite too, but man-o-man does MOPAR give GM a run for their money in my book. and a shout-out to the M-B Gullwing... Ill do roadster

Props indeed.... I would just like to point out that Suburban MILFs, Real Housewives of whatever county if you will, still prefer an Escalade over the Acadia...

I hope your choice brings you many years of good service. That would have been my next guess if it means anything to you folk...

Did not know that...I6 and V6 thing on the GC... You learn something everyday... EXCEPT FOR WHAT BLOODY CAR BALTHY BOUGHT... Question... soccer mom stigma or real tough offroader?

Its Saturday night? I got to go...Ive got a hot date tonight... With Don Cherry....Hockey Night in Canada! Jeep Grand Cherokee... 2nd generation between years 2002-2004

I SEE... So the fat lady has not sung yet, we are dragging the closing credits E-V-E-R. S-O. S - L - O - W - L - Y. SUV/CUV or wagon?

Holy smokes...did the fat lady sing already? I thought we were still on Act II Scene III in a 15 Act play... I was ready to call this play...Much Ado About Nothing...but that title is already taken... OK...I ribbed you enough. Its obviously an American vehicle. So...im gonna go with Ford Escape as my first guess.

SMK...that is the thing...all these high priced SUVs are gunning for the Escalade... Its the Escalade that is on top of this hill... Kinda like how everybody is still gunning for the BMW 3 Series... Even with Cadillac's best attempt yet with the ATS, which is the best attempt from anybody, the BMW 3 Series is still the King... Its up to the rest try to dethrone the Escalade... Just because something costs more, doesnt mean that people will gravitate to it and call it the best... Sure, some athletes and rappers will go to the Bentley or Lambo and especially the 1%ers... But JDN, as you see, is fighting back, to at least keep the image of the Escalade alive...and THAT is what is needed. First and second year sales of the Bentley will probably be high...but if JDN produces an Escalade worthy of a REAL Cadillac, meaning, the Escalade is kinda up to par to a Bentley in terms of quality and sophistication, even if it falls a tad short, which it probably will fall short, regardless of the price difference and especially BECAUSE of the price difference, the Escalade still retains its cachet, and going forward, not only does that help the Escalade retain MOST of its core buyers, it helps Cadillac the brand grow in prestige...

Good point... I think an all aluminium chassis and brand new weight saving and very strong construction and what is likely to be a very driver's oriented version of a Twin Turboed 4.2 liter V8 CT6 may have something to do with this first ever BMW M7.