surreal1272

Your first sentence is exactly my point. Wonder how he would feel about gas prices if that same government cut out big oils many subsidies.

Considering the 2018s just came out, I was a little surprised. Those will certainly increase though since it will be the last year.

Those silly Amish. When will they ever learn?

A little bit ironic you calling out dfelt when you troll EVs every chance you get. Honestly, it’s a little pathetic.

Regardless of your EV stance, wishing for the failure of an American company is just flat out ignorant and childish.

And trolling/fallacy argument of the day goes to...

You do realize that the original credit would expire after 200,000 by each manufacturer right? It was going away eventually but the GOP has to pay back their oil masters somehow.

Incentives already available for 2018 RAMs. Up to $2,000 cash allowance.

We call that a “fire sale” where I come from since it is well known that Sergio is trying to dump some of the brands but whatever you have to tell yourself.

If Buick recreates a proper modern version of this, you can bet your ass they will.

People are leasing is why they are “finding a way”. We just established that. Why finance a car that can touch the same monthly price as my mortgage when I can lease it and be done with it after three years? This is why I will never buy another brand new car ever again. This nonsense has to come to a head at some point.

Come on folks! How else is our wonderful government going to protect our old dinosaur industries? Eliminate those pesky EV feeebies while doling out a million times that to subsidize the old guard industries. Oh, and our government is just a laughing stock at this point.

“People need to shop within their means” While true, here’s the other side of that coin. “Car prices are too damn high to begin with”.

See Drew’s response and add in the fact that it has been a staple of Benz and BMW for decades now whereas the domestic trend is much more recent.

Again deflection as they now have cars that are filling up their used lots and going nowhere.

Your last paragraph is pure deflection since the percentage of leased Benz models is much higher than anything from Chevy or any other mainstream maker.

15 years ago, the AMG meant something because you only had one or three models (top tier models at that). Now they slap it on Damn near everything. It is just like when Chevy ruined the SS designation by slapping on FWD cars. Point being it has deluded the brand by slapping on everything, hence my quality of quantity remark.

So the only comparison you make out the 37 AMGs is by using one the most expensive examples? Yeah, real convincing there. I am referring to the fact that there are 37 AMGs and they are not the exclusiveness they once were.

Yes they have. It has already been pointed out and last time I checked FCA added models as well, namely Alfa but hey just keep ignoring the facts becuase of valid criticism of FCA. This a broken record at this point and I’m going to keep arguing with you over it. The facts are there and you will always continue to ignore them. Those facts I was referring to. Well said Drew.

True but there are fresher designs out there so why you would bring up things like spoilers is just silly. For the record, there are plenty of folks who do like the sportier cues though.

Fallacy argument and it only highlights the model deficiencies going on at FCA. The Envision, which isnt exactly hurting right now, suffers from a bland design more than from the source of its assembly.

Since 2015, all E Series sales have been pretty much just stripped chassis and can cutaway models. Drew probably knows better than I do though.

Reread my post that I just edited. GM has also greatly reduced fleet sales and their YTD drop is not as severe as FCA.

Everyone reduces fleet sales at the end of the year and if everyone has outgoing or no longer in production models yet only FCA is taking a bigger hit, then it’s a problem with FCA. Example? GM YTD sales are down 0.9% while FCA is down 8%. FCA clearly has a bigger problem here and all the excuses in the world don’t change that fact.

All manufacturers have models on there lists that are no longer in production (like the Verano and the SRX for GM). Down is down.