surreal1272

I just read an article about the connection between incessant laughter and narcissism. It's a very good read for those concerned about such things.

Self absorption and consistent narcissism are even funnier especially when one hasn't even been doing the down voting of which one may be speaking. Lol indeed.

What?

I'm not saying the car isn't worth what they are asking but that wasn't what you were suggesting and as a result not what I was talking about. You think they should be priced more and if the competition is comparably equipped, then you don't just ask for more money just because you think it's worth more. It's worth more when it is seen as being just as reliable and bullet proof as a Honda Civic. Then, you can start carrying the same premium that a Civic does in the average customers mind.

No offense but that is simply the worst thing they could possibly do is to price their cars (assuming they are comparably equipped, mind you) HIGHER than the imports. This isn't Cadillac we are talking about here. This is the ultra competitive compact market, where price is (whether you like it or not) king and you price competitively if you want to succeed in that market.

Mainly because one part is dealing the words and their meaning while the math is an obvious metaphor for connecting the dots.

Our words for the day are "self" and "absorbed". Maybe one day someone will put two and two together.

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard. "It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495."[/size] You're definitely right but that sucks that you're again forced into a package if you want a hatch. A lot of people like the added space and ability of a hatch and you have to pony up a few grand more for Chevy's as opposed to those others listed. Not everybody wants or can afford the creature comforts but need the space of a hatch. I agree with that. It sucks not having a cheaper model but I get why they would want a higher margin model out first. Maybe they will tweak that next year.

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard. "It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495."

I just wonder if this same concern would have been expressed had a Vette taken the pole.

Does the word "self absorbed" mean anything anymore?

I 100% disagree with your assertion that they don't need large cars. The need has been clearly illustrated. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it so. Of course police departments need big vehicles. But a "green fleet" for lip service to show off a BMW? I'm talking about these vehicles - the EVs or hybrids. The ones NOT used for patrolling or highway policing or whatever that requires heavy use. This LAPD fleet is for PR purposes. Not real police use. There the BMW is a completely useless vehicle - might as well only be used for parking ticket operations. That I do agree with. Typical PR push by an inept department.

I 100% disagree with your assertion that they don't need large cars. The need has been clearly illustrated. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it so.

And I'm sure there was a practical reason for this.

The year is irrelevant because they still use them (the 5 Series is heavily used in sedan and wagon form). I have family in Germany that can back this up. What you are missing in your quest to ignore the facts is that sure, smaller cars in the mix would be a good idea in large metro cities. However, that does not mean that they should completely replace the larger PPV cars and SUVs for the many reasons already covered here.

Again, you cherry pick. Let me help you out there.Notice that two of them are Charger platform sharing E Class's. Again, it helps when you tell the whole truth, not just the truth that is convenient to you.

My question is if Electric cars are so great why would they need to ban the Gas ones? My feeling is continue development and investment and make a better EV then let the market make the change. 1 word: POLLUTION https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Norway From the WIKI link: I dont like Big Brother dictating to me either what is good and bad for me... However, I dont like big business greasing up the politicians I vote for telling them to tell me what is good or no good for me either. As you could see...this is a stale mate.... However...since Norway produces its own electricity...and Hydro-electric power is as clean as it gets....and all these EVs will be roaming around in Norway relatively pollution free, with the exception of battery replacement and disposal...and the re-charging costs of the drivers will go DIRECTLY into Norway's coffers instead of Big Oil and Middle Eastern, Russian(Ukraine), Canadian, or even American oil drilling interests...Id say its a win-win for Norway this way.... PS: Norway has Middle Eastern internal problems.. Banning gasoline cars... Saudi terrorist oil gets eliminated killing two birds with one stone...money to Norway while really stifling Saudi terrorist oil money... Yes but we here in North America have nearly all of our oil here. Little comes from the middle east and so what is the difference if we pay an oil company or if we pay a electric company? Norway's electric companies will fill their coffers. As for pollution well it is well documented the auto is a very small part of all emissions and has dropped much in the last how many years. Sorry the electric future is not a future free of pollution and free energy by a long shot. How long is it going to take for most Americans to understand so little of our oil comes from the middle east. Hell I think Canada and the US export more than we bring in. If that Middle East oil is so insignificant, why do we fight tooth and nail for it? Also, yes there is no such thing as free electricity. However there are multiple sources in which to achieve damn near zero pollution electricity, unlike oil. That is a fact that the old school energy hairs refuses to accept and continue to tell us that our oil and how we get it is just fine, when damn the opposite of that is true.

@SMK-You didn't answer my other question. Why doesn't Germany use smaller cars for their city patrols instead of the much pricier and larger Mercedes models?

The Subaru starts out at a higher price than a V6 Charger (which are also used by the police per the link I gave you) and barely better mileage than the larger Charger to boot. In NC, they were using Magnums until they stopped production on those and as an nine year owner of one, I know they have far more room up front and in the back than any Subaru wagon. Again, for cops, space is your friend.

More BS because first off, most times on your car are at the 5.1-5.2 mark. One publication getting a slightly better time does not change that fact. Second, the Hemi AWD edition is $36K not $41k.http://www.nwmc-cog.org/SPC-Documents/SPC_2016_Charger_Pursuit_Price_List-_Order_Form-3.aspxThird, I wonder how you feel about Germany's use of mostly larger Mercedes models for their police fleet? Fourth, most of those chargers are for state troopers and highway patrol (not much city use) and that Hemi is rated 27mpg on the highway. Again, if you don't get why most cops prefer larger vehicles, then you need to just stop now. You've been told why repeatedly and just ignore and make up ridiculous reasons why they shouldn't. Ford plans to kill the Taurus, so I guess cops better get used to a Fusion. Unless they only buy SUVs, that are slow. So their goes the "we need speed" argument.That's why they have other choices like the Charger and the Caprice PPV. There is nothing obligating them to just stick with Ford. Good grief cherry picker. Also, the Explorer is every bit as capable and fast as your average Taurus, with much more room for gear. Again, you sidestep the obvious. I'll tell you what. Go up to a Charger cop and challenge them to a race. You will find out that 2/10ths of a damn second difference doesn't mean squat to the right driver and I gaurantee you they are better trained at it than you are.

More BS because first off, most times on your car are at the 5.1-5.2 mark. One publication getting a slightly better time does not change that fact. Second, the Hemi AWD edition is $36K not $41k. http://www.nwmc-cog.org/SPC-Documents/SPC_2016_Charger_Pursuit_Price_List-_Order_Form-3.aspx Third, I wonder how you feel about Germany's use of mostly larger Mercedes models for their police fleet? Fourth, most of those chargers are for state troopers and highway patrol (not much city use) and that Hemi is rated 27mpg on the highway. Again, if you don't get why most cops prefer larger vehicles, then you need to just stop now. You've been told why repeatedly and just ignore and make up ridiculous reasons why they shouldn't.

I don't know how many times this has to be said. None of that matters because obviously Mercedes does it better.

Good grief. I'm glad you are not responsible for what cops get to drive, is all I'm going to say. It is simply amazing how you have ignored just about everything said to this point. Example? The current Charger Hemi pursuit pulls the same 0-60 and better quarter mile than a 2015 E Class 400. I'm pretty sure it can catch your older E Class. Research is your friend, not making up hypothetical situations about things you clearly don't know jack squat about.

As much as it pains me to be the devils advocate here, there are very good reasons why cops get to take their service cars home. This was an interesting read regarding that very thing. http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/29/most-police-officers-opt-not-to-pay-to-have-take/37997/ And an even better explanation for this. http://www.myreporter.com/2010/06/why-are-police-allowed-to-drive-the-police-cars-home-when-they-live-in-another-county/ Let me ask you some thing dfelt. What do you think they should use? Simple, having uncles and Aunts in local police forces here in washington I have had this chat with them many times and they all admit that they can easily us much smaller 4 door sedans than the huge purchase of police interceptor versions of SUV's, they only need a few motorcycles and should have at least 2 police interceptor models of high performance cars, could be mustangs or camaros. For bringing the equipment to a crash scene, there are many options for the vans or full size SUV to use. Usually a commercial van is best. With that said, as long as the state, county and cities give a wide open choice they are trying to give every officer on the force the same fully loaded SUVs. There is allot of waste in government and we all know it as many jobs can be done with much less auto or no auto. The problem is one department sees what another buys and wants the same toy. Perfect example is the Home Land Security office here in Seattle. The whole force is nothing but GM Tahoe police versions. Does HLS really need to have a full fleet of petro drinking SUVS when they spend the bulk of their time in cites? I bet most of the tax payers would be shocked at how much waste is spent on auto's and allowing the gov employee to drive said auto's home driving up the amount of fuel used by giving a perc to these workers that private workers do not have. Why should the cops, fire department, City Employee get to drive a taxpayer auto home every day putting on needless miles and gas costs when they could use mass transit or should be driving their own auto to work. Very good explanation and I can see the logic there. However, I have law enforcement in my family here in Arizona and they say that the larger vehicles are indespensible (for example, the sheer number of unmaintained dirt roads here demand a real SUV). The cops here hate the smaller sedans they are forced to use now. Most would love to have the Crown Vics in service again. Seems to me like the use of certain vehicles depends on where you live. But why do they hate the smaller vehicles? "just because" or are they worse for the job. Because just because somebody doesn't enjoy the smaller vehicle that doesn't make it worse for the job. It could just be that the driver wants to feel on top of the road. Read what I have said multiple times here. It's mostly about space for people and gear. It's not that hard to see the advantages of such things.

Let me ask you some thing dfelt. What do you think they should use? I am not dfelt but I'll throw my opinion out there for $h!s. If the options aren't limited to vehicles already with police packages I think the cars should be a class smaller than the Charger/Taurus/Impala and be more like the Fusion/Malibu size and there would be savings in fuel which I think should not be overlooked with how much those engines are running. 1mpg improvement goes a long way w/ a fleet of vehicles. I also think the Explorer, for the most part, is larger than most actually need. Granted, I don't know all of the equipment that gets stuffed in them but it's hard to believe that they use the extra cargo space over an Edge and obviously they never use the 3rd row of seats. So I would go with vehicles in the Grand Cherokee/Edge/Equinox(I know it competes with a different class but it's kind of a tweener and large for its class). Oh and the new Acadia that's also a larger 2 row CUV. I think there should be plenty of additional space in those CUVs over the cars for whatever additional space is required from a larger vehicle in the first place yet they should save some in fuel costs. Oh, and obviously all American made. Same goes for the cars I listed. They aren't the small, tiny economy cars that some want. I don't feel like that is realistic yet the mid-size class is loaded w/ technology in the driveline and car itself to be fuel efficient and give the "at the limit" capability that law enforcement needs. The larger cars are just boaty in comparison to the modern mid-size sedans. Good reasoning there. Thanks ccap. Now, do you know why they prefer larger vehicles as opposed the ones you mentioned? I do not. Just assuming it is for extra carrying capacity with all the miscellaneous stuff they might need at any given point. That is exactly the reason. When they retired the Crown Vic and went to the Impala, cops here were not happy. Space was the number one reason for that (as well as preferring the RWD over FWD). They have the same gripe with the Tauruses that most use now.