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  1. surreal1272
    You obviously skimmed over my post above RE the 'new market' Mustang.No I didn't and I maintain my stance. Rare exceptions to this rule does not change that fact. To compare a Gas powered Mustang (you know, that fuel that had already been in use for 70 years or so) to a completely new tech EV is very shortsighted. Remember, cars started out at one percent in an age of horse and buggy with many of the same concerns being expressed here over EV cars. It's not hard to see why your "1%" remark doesn't hold a whole lot of water here, as a result. Sure the Mustang (which I point out was not brought up by me here) was gas-powered, but it very much was a "new market" vehicle (and a relatively frivolous one at that; a sporty, small fun car). It blew up the marketshare pie. Again just to put it in perspective: Mustang, full model year #1 : 6.3% of the market in the U.S. EVs plus hybrids, 15-some years after intro, every model totaled together : 6.6% of the market. I'm just not seeing the 'mass acceptance' picture as painted by many / some journalists. To date, it's a terrible thin slice of pie. That MAY certainly change, the future is unwritten, but it takes time to turn an ocean liner around. I still am of the opinion that 10 years isn't remotely close to the time required to clear 50% of the market. Again, a gas powered car finding a niche in a world filled with gas powered cars and gas stations with which to power them, is not a convincing argument. That cars were even considered 100 years ago in the horse and buggy age (which is where EVs are at currently) is the more apt comparison here. Not sure why this is so confusing. Just because you "don't see it" doesn't mean that it isn't coming.
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    At one time, there were people who wondered where they'd be able to find gas for their new cars. No one knew how far they could go before finding another gas station. It was not near as convenient as feeding your horse for the next trip. Again, perspective.
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    ONE percent of the market is not "convincing people". Every new market car started at less than one percent.Perspective. You obviously skimmed over my post above RE the 'new market' Mustang.No I didn't and I maintain my stance. Rare exceptions to this rule do not change that fact. To compare a Gas powered Mustang (you know, that fuel that had already been in use for 70 years or so) to a completely new tech EV is very shortsighted. Remember, cars started out at one percent in an age of horse and buggy with many of the same concerns being expressed here over EV cars. It's not hard to see why your "1%" remark doesn't hold a whole lot of water here, as a result.
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    ONE percent of the market is not "convincing people". Every new market car started at less than one percent. Perspective.
  5. surreal1272
    No... hatchbacks and wagons have two different definitions. That's why VW makes a Golf hatchback and a Golf Wagon. 2014-volkswagen-golf-wagon-side.jpg 2015-volkswagen-golf-gti-side-view.jpg A wagon is a sedan length car with the roof extended back to the rear. A hatchback is a sedan with most of the trunk chopped off. The angle of the rear glass has little to do with the definition either way. There are wagons with sharply sloped rear glass and there are hatches with vertical rear glass and vice versa. Exactly. Don't know why some have to create some imaginary scenario in order to split hairs over something that doesn't require hair splitting. There are obvious differences between a hatchback and a wagon. Thanks for pointing that out Drew.
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    I don't care what a writer says. The Bolt is a hatch in every sense of the word.
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    I 100% disagree because the same thing was said years ago when CUVs entered the fray. No one would dare trade their real SUV for a glorified tall wagon (which is what they are) they said. Putting a wagon out is a risk for sure, but a risk worth taking. After eight years with my Magnum, I can personally attest to the versatility that equaled just about every CUV out there, save for it being RWD only (obviously AWD was available on them). The only reason for most folks choose a CUV is ride height. Folks that say that wagons are "blah" and spread around the stigma that has plagued wagons, should take a good look at the CUVs out there that are nothing more than tall wagons. If my Magnum had the current interior of today's Charger, there would not be one car I'd take above it, save for a CTS-V wagon. Just my two cents.
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    No one seems to have a problem with a $35K hi-po Focus and they would not have a problem with a $35K hi-po Cruze.
  9. surreal1272
    I like that Benz is willing to put out a wagon but the overall exterior design is just lacking to me, especially the profile and the rear three quarters. The interior looks good but it should in this price range. If I could take the interior of the E Class and put it inside my Magnum, then I'd be perfectly happy with that (save for the shiny black plastic in there).
  10. surreal1272
    You... you mean like cars? At least cars hold their value after the initial depreciation. Cell Phones and lap tops are generally worthless accept for the Apple offer at the store for a used one they scrap. Then there are trucks that generally hold their value very well as even a fire wood special with the bed head together with a chain in place of a gate can still bring $2K. Umm, that depends on the car. Compare the values between an Accord and Avenger (when they were both new) to what they were worth just six months later.
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    They have off-road kits for all sorts of SUVs. That doesn't mean they ever see off road duty and you know that for a fact and if you don't, you are fooling yourself because you are trying to justify owning one. That's all fine and dandy. If it works for you, great but no one outside of yourself would dare say that the Patriot and Compass are even close to competition overall. They are woefully behind as a matter of fact and rely on heavy fleet sales to keep their numbers up, just like the first gen Escape for so many years until the 2013 redesign. Check www.jeeppatriot.com. You will be shocked of the amount taken offroad and the modifications done. I actually owned one and have stated m case. i would own another, though I am looking really forward to the replacement. Again Stew, I'm not dogging you out because you own one. If you're happy with it, that's great. However, this does not change the fact that,A. It is woefully behind the completion. And B. Part of that competition is the Renegade that was supposed to replace the Patriot. The fact that the renegade exists proves that the Patriot was long overdue to be replaced. It's not even debatable on that level. Btw, a few off-road videos does not change the fact that he majority never see off road duty. Not even going to debate it further since you want to take it so personal.
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    They have off-road kits for all sorts of SUVs. That doesn't mean they ever see off road duty and you know that for a fact and if you don't, you are fooling yourself because you are trying to justify owning one. That's all fine and dandy. If it works for you, great but no one outside of yourself would dare say that the Patriot and Compass are even close to competition overall. They are woefully behind as a matter of fact and rely on heavy fleet sales to keep their numbers up, just like the first gen Escape for so many years until the 2013 redesign.
  13. surreal1272
    While I agree with the first statement above, unless manufacturers POINTEDLY install OBVIOUS obsolescence tech, the fact that the vehicle is powered electrically should not incite mass 'this is outdated, gotta get a new one' mentality in the market. Phones incorporate a LOT of fleeting tech & apps which yes, are subject to superficial judgement, but these types of features in vehicles are pretty much independent of the power plant propelling such. Phonesa re also a HELLUVA lot more affordable than cars- most people don't shoulder a loan to own one. Even subsequent generations of EVs that have improved range still should not see mass incentive to upgrade… this is in the same vein as IC vehicles' MPG improvement in subsequent gens. It's not usually enough to cause a trade- the costs are too steep for most consumers. I think what you miss is that EV is only at the start of the learning and investment curve where IC is at the end. With a EV we could be just months with major improvments with technology investments or we could be years it all matters on how it progresses and that remains the great unknown. . Based on other electronics I suspect that will see much greater changes in the EV auto than we have seen year to year in a IC car. Also electronic today fail after so long with age. or they just get old and incompatible. Unrelated and those supposed "hurdles" are no reason to stop pursuing the current EV path. IC, like the horse and buggy, will be a passing thought eventually. Not for a long time still but it will happen. That's the nature of technology and progress. There is no reason not to keep pushing the technology I never said anything close to that. I just don't think we should put all our eggs in one basket and we should keep working on ICE, EV and even Hydrogen. The ICE is far from dead and not quite the Horse and Buggy. The simple fact is until the EV is better in every way than a ICE it is still just an option not a primary in the market. Prices need to come down, batteries need to get better, infrastructure needs to be built up and the cars need to be able to be recharges in the same time as a fill of gas to satisfy most people. There is a segment of society that hold great fascination for the EV and are willing to put up with the in-convinces. A larger segment can not afford them and even more really have little knowledge on them if any interest. This will take time to change minds. The more and better product will do that but it will still take time and even better products. The simple fact is EV cars are coming but keep the spade in the shed as it will be a good while before they toss the last scoop of dirt on the ICE. The market will be a mix for a good while yet. And everything you just mentioned about EVs happened with ICE, hence my horse and buggy reference. It's not a matter of if. It's a matter of when.
  14. surreal1272
    More than you think do. I did mine and always surprised at how capable it was even sans he off-road package. Maneuverability is more than an opinion. A Patriot is actually smaller and shorter than basically everything else in the class. it slots right between the Renegade and Cherokee in size. it also has a VERY tight turning circle. I am not even saying anything bad about any other CUV's, just stating that the Patriot does have it's perks. Oh, and the locking 4x4 system makes the thing basically unstoppable in the snow. I think you are overestimating the number of people who actually take those two CUVs off-road. I live in the desert and yet to see any of those off road ever. Hell, people barely take their Wranglers off road anymore.
  15. surreal1272
    While I agree with the first statement above, unless manufacturers POINTEDLY install OBVIOUS obsolescence tech, the fact that the vehicle is powered electrically should not incite mass 'this is outdated, gotta get a new one' mentality in the market. Phones incorporate a LOT of fleeting tech & apps which yes, are subject to superficial judgement, but these types of features in vehicles are pretty much independent of the power plant propelling such. Phonesa re also a HELLUVA lot more affordable than cars- most people don't shoulder a loan to own one. Even subsequent generations of EVs that have improved range still should not see mass incentive to upgrade… this is in the same vein as IC vehicles' MPG improvement in subsequent gens. It's not usually enough to cause a trade- the costs are too steep for most consumers. I think what you miss is that EV is only at the start of the learning and investment curve where IC is at the end. With a EV we could be just months with major improvments with technology investments or we could be years it all matters on how it progresses and that remains the great unknown. . Based on other electronics I suspect that will see much greater changes in the EV auto than we have seen year to year in a IC car. Also electronic today fail after so long with age. or they just get old and incompatible. Unrelated and those supposed "hurdles" are no reason to stop pursuing the current EV path. IC, like the horse and buggy, will be a passing thought eventually. Not for a long time still but it will happen. That's the nature of technology and progress.
  16. surreal1272
    Just wait till the government starts to charge you by the mile on the taxes they are losing on fuel now. Higher MPG and electrics have them all scrambling to take the tax by the mile. Also factor in the greatest cost in Fuel now is state and federal taxes and that is not going to go away. What about areas that have electric issues like in LA. In heat waves there are brown outs now what will they do when everyone starts plugging cars in? They are way behind on everything and solar and wind is not going to do it alone. What about the damns being torn down and not replaced? The funny thing is that you seem to think that the current fossil fuel/oil situation is a bed of roses and not every bit as bad as this doom and gloom you cast over electric cars.
  17. surreal1272
    It was on the TPS reports. Did you not get those? You see, we are using the TPS reports now so if you could just go ahead and do that in the future, that'd be great mmmkay.
  18. surreal1272
    That's been my point too. Yes, it is great that they have reduced their reliance on rental sales and such and focused on retail more. However, if you think an 18% drop is not a big deal, then you are just delusional and should remove yourself from the conversation entirely.
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    . He claimed laughter as well so let me repeat this for you and then I'm done. Exactly the same tactic.
  20. surreal1272
    So an explanation is given for the decline, of which just about every manufacturer had, and you still feel the need to troll that fact? It's even confirmed in the very snippet of info you copy and pasted.Just seems a little redundant and trollish. Umm, no it's not. You can't just throw out whitewashed numbers, like that is the be all end all to one specific car, and then act like you are not at fault for NOT providing at least a little evidence to back up your claim. Your explanation is what comes off as childish as a result. Thanks for your approval of my post. It was the opposite of approval, but like Bong and the quitter, I don't expect you one brand fans to see it any other way. I'm sure you are on the Ford sales thread though addressing the sales increase due to a fleet increase right? You sure made an extra effort to point it out over the years when GM was doing the same thing right? I mean, your objective reasoning should let you see that is all I'm saying. I'm seriously asking.
  21. surreal1272
    So an explanation is given for the decline, of which just about every manufacturer had, and you still feel the need to troll that fact? It's even confirmed in the very snippet of info you copy and pasted. Just seems a little redundant and trollish. Umm, no it's not. You can't just throw out whitewashed numbers, like that is the be all end all to one specific car, and then act like you are not at fault for NOT providing at least a little evidence to back up your claim. Your explanation is what comes off as childish as a result. You misunderstand me. I read this article and commented on it elsewhere yesterday. I am not alone in my assessment of it. I respond to childishness with the level of respect it deserves, so I'm quite content to make my broad statement, know it's correct, and let the peanut gallery cry some more. The facts are there to read: the Cruze and Malibu are doing model switchovers, the small cars are toast with these gas prices. Only the Impala is a disappointment to me, but it's an SUV world. In the meantime, GM has taken a bold sales strategy and although it's still fairly early on, so far it has proven a very important point: American buyers far and away prefer their product to any other Detroit brand. Simple as that Whatever you say Bong. It's not like any other evidence will matter to you anyway. It's the same tactic a certain quitter used.
  22. surreal1272
    "To blow or not to blow". A rather philosophical question if you work in a house of ill repute. Sorry. Couldn't resist.
  23. surreal1272
    It may be a "decent" car for you but overall, it is so far behind the competition in every way, I just can't see a compelling reason to shell out five figures for one.
  24. surreal1272
    So an explanation is given for the decline, of which just about every manufacturer had, and you still feel the need to troll that fact? It's even confirmed in the very snippet of info you copy and pasted. Just seems a little redundant and trollish. Umm, no it's not. You can't just throw out whitewashed numbers, like that is the be all end all to one specific car, and then act like you are not at fault for NOT providing at least a little evidence to back up your claim. Your explanation is what comes off as childish as a result.
  25. surreal1272
    Maybe the down votes (which you are way too obsessed with lately) are because you keep throwing out numbers about fleet with no proof to back it up.
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