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Won't depreciate like those two? Riiiiiight. Must be why you can pick up a "gently used" MB at great low prices. And it has that wonderful Jaguar reliability we've come to know and love for so many years. </sarcasm>

Ah, I see the bloodsucking lawyers are trying to cash in yet again.

Sometimes I'll eat a can of chick peas for lunch. However, I don't like hummus at all. Good luck. BMI is terrifically misleading. People under guess my weight by 25-35 lbs regularly. I'm 'densely packed'. I could never get to a "normal" weight. I am the same way. The weight guessers at the carnivals hate me.

My thought was completely random. Any attempt to read any further into it is on the reader.Seriously. It was an interesting read. https://luckyottershaven.com/2015/04/29/5-more-weird-things-you-may-see-a-narcissist-do/

I just read an article about the connection between incessant laughter and narcissism. It's a very good read for those concerned about such things.

Self absorption and consistent narcissism are even funnier especially when one hasn't even been doing the down voting of which one may be speaking. Lol indeed.

What?

I'm not saying the car isn't worth what they are asking but that wasn't what you were suggesting and as a result not what I was talking about. You think they should be priced more and if the competition is comparably equipped, then you don't just ask for more money just because you think it's worth more. It's worth more when it is seen as being just as reliable and bullet proof as a Honda Civic. Then, you can start carrying the same premium that a Civic does in the average customers mind.

No offense but that is simply the worst thing they could possibly do is to price their cars (assuming they are comparably equipped, mind you) HIGHER than the imports. This isn't Cadillac we are talking about here. This is the ultra competitive compact market, where price is (whether you like it or not) king and you price competitively if you want to succeed in that market.

Mainly because one part is dealing the words and their meaning while the math is an obvious metaphor for connecting the dots.

Our words for the day are "self" and "absorbed". Maybe one day someone will put two and two together.

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard. "It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495."[/size] You're definitely right but that sucks that you're again forced into a package if you want a hatch. A lot of people like the added space and ability of a hatch and you have to pony up a few grand more for Chevy's as opposed to those others listed. Not everybody wants or can afford the creature comforts but need the space of a hatch. I agree with that. It sucks not having a cheaper model but I get why they would want a higher margin model out first. Maybe they will tweak that next year.

It's premature to assume these things until we see what it comes with standard. "It should be noted that the hatchback isn't offered in the base L or LS trims like the sedan. The more apt comparison would the Cruze LT sedan which begins at $20,695. Comparing the prices of the LT models sees a difference of $1,495."

I just wonder if this same concern would have been expressed had a Vette taken the pole.

Does the word "self absorbed" mean anything anymore?

I 100% disagree with your assertion that they don't need large cars. The need has been clearly illustrated. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it so. Of course police departments need big vehicles. But a "green fleet" for lip service to show off a BMW? I'm talking about these vehicles - the EVs or hybrids. The ones NOT used for patrolling or highway policing or whatever that requires heavy use. This LAPD fleet is for PR purposes. Not real police use. There the BMW is a completely useless vehicle - might as well only be used for parking ticket operations. That I do agree with. Typical PR push by an inept department.

I 100% disagree with your assertion that they don't need large cars. The need has been clearly illustrated. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it so.

And I'm sure there was a practical reason for this.

The year is irrelevant because they still use them (the 5 Series is heavily used in sedan and wagon form). I have family in Germany that can back this up. What you are missing in your quest to ignore the facts is that sure, smaller cars in the mix would be a good idea in large metro cities. However, that does not mean that they should completely replace the larger PPV cars and SUVs for the many reasons already covered here.

Again, you cherry pick. Let me help you out there.Notice that two of them are Charger platform sharing E Class's. Again, it helps when you tell the whole truth, not just the truth that is convenient to you.

My question is if Electric cars are so great why would they need to ban the Gas ones? My feeling is continue development and investment and make a better EV then let the market make the change. 1 word: POLLUTION https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Norway From the WIKI link: I dont like Big Brother dictating to me either what is good and bad for me... However, I dont like big business greasing up the politicians I vote for telling them to tell me what is good or no good for me either. As you could see...this is a stale mate.... However...since Norway produces its own electricity...and Hydro-electric power is as clean as it gets....and all these EVs will be roaming around in Norway relatively pollution free, with the exception of battery replacement and disposal...and the re-charging costs of the drivers will go DIRECTLY into Norway's coffers instead of Big Oil and Middle Eastern, Russian(Ukraine), Canadian, or even American oil drilling interests...Id say its a win-win for Norway this way.... PS: Norway has Middle Eastern internal problems.. Banning gasoline cars... Saudi terrorist oil gets eliminated killing two birds with one stone...money to Norway while really stifling Saudi terrorist oil money... Yes but we here in North America have nearly all of our oil here. Little comes from the middle east and so what is the difference if we pay an oil company or if we pay a electric company? Norway's electric companies will fill their coffers. As for pollution well it is well documented the auto is a very small part of all emissions and has dropped much in the last how many years. Sorry the electric future is not a future free of pollution and free energy by a long shot. How long is it going to take for most Americans to understand so little of our oil comes from the middle east. Hell I think Canada and the US export more than we bring in. If that Middle East oil is so insignificant, why do we fight tooth and nail for it? Also, yes there is no such thing as free electricity. However there are multiple sources in which to achieve damn near zero pollution electricity, unlike oil. That is a fact that the old school energy hairs refuses to accept and continue to tell us that our oil and how we get it is just fine, when damn the opposite of that is true.

@SMK-You didn't answer my other question. Why doesn't Germany use smaller cars for their city patrols instead of the much pricier and larger Mercedes models?

The Subaru starts out at a higher price than a V6 Charger (which are also used by the police per the link I gave you) and barely better mileage than the larger Charger to boot. In NC, they were using Magnums until they stopped production on those and as an nine year owner of one, I know they have far more room up front and in the back than any Subaru wagon. Again, for cops, space is your friend.

More BS because first off, most times on your car are at the 5.1-5.2 mark. One publication getting a slightly better time does not change that fact. Second, the Hemi AWD edition is $36K not $41k.http://www.nwmc-cog.org/SPC-Documents/SPC_2016_Charger_Pursuit_Price_List-_Order_Form-3.aspxThird, I wonder how you feel about Germany's use of mostly larger Mercedes models for their police fleet? Fourth, most of those chargers are for state troopers and highway patrol (not much city use) and that Hemi is rated 27mpg on the highway. Again, if you don't get why most cops prefer larger vehicles, then you need to just stop now. You've been told why repeatedly and just ignore and make up ridiculous reasons why they shouldn't. Ford plans to kill the Taurus, so I guess cops better get used to a Fusion. Unless they only buy SUVs, that are slow. So their goes the "we need speed" argument.That's why they have other choices like the Charger and the Caprice PPV. There is nothing obligating them to just stick with Ford. Good grief cherry picker. Also, the Explorer is every bit as capable and fast as your average Taurus, with much more room for gear. Again, you sidestep the obvious. I'll tell you what. Go up to a Charger cop and challenge them to a race. You will find out that 2/10ths of a damn second difference doesn't mean squat to the right driver and I gaurantee you they are better trained at it than you are.

More BS because first off, most times on your car are at the 5.1-5.2 mark. One publication getting a slightly better time does not change that fact. Second, the Hemi AWD edition is $36K not $41k. http://www.nwmc-cog.org/SPC-Documents/SPC_2016_Charger_Pursuit_Price_List-_Order_Form-3.aspx Third, I wonder how you feel about Germany's use of mostly larger Mercedes models for their police fleet? Fourth, most of those chargers are for state troopers and highway patrol (not much city use) and that Hemi is rated 27mpg on the highway. Again, if you don't get why most cops prefer larger vehicles, then you need to just stop now. You've been told why repeatedly and just ignore and make up ridiculous reasons why they shouldn't.