surreal1272
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So you've already declared victory from a figure 8 test Why not? Ford fans had no problem with the Eco boost Stang victory a few weeks ago in which it beat the Camaro in the figure eight but not in straight line speed. Btw, I'm not calling it victory. Just offering a different perspective.
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Very good news for them here and abroad although there is still much that needs to be done in Europe. This is also a direct result of reducing their dependency on rental sales while increasing their retail sales. http://www.motortrend.com/news/gm-posts-strong-q2-results-net-income-157-percent/
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It is. And it's childish of Ford to not do it. Playing Devils Advocate, but if you were a company and you felt that some specific media / news outlets were being a bit heavy handed about some brands and a free pass to others and you felt you might not get a fair shake would you not also decide to ignore or decline those companies that you perceive to not be fair? I admit it is hard for humans period to be impartial and non-judgemental, but I think most of us find Consumer Reports to be very Asian Biased in comparison to American auto's. Why is this and is it due to what the American companies have done or some other reason? Point being, I agree with you and others that Ford seems to be taking a low road to pettiness. I think if you believe in your product you will stand up for it no matter how the review is and use said reviews to make your products better. With that said, I do not blame a company from not wanting to waste resources on a bias comparison that will not be at least equal if not gain something from it. That's the thing though. There is no evidence of said bias and given that Ford is doing this to more than one publication, it seems to contradict any bias claims unless they are paranoid enough to believe that all concerned are biased. And that Surreal is why I am playing Devils Advocate! Is this just Ford being Paranoid or is there a bigger issue with the magazines. We have all hear Drew talk about these auto mags feeling what I would call ENTITLED! This makes one wonder........... Oh I see what you're saying and I can see it in some cases. I just don't think there is a solid case for it in Fords case though.
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It is. And it's childish of Ford to not do it. Playing Devils Advocate, but if you were a company and you felt that some specific media / news outlets were being a bit heavy handed about some brands and a free pass to others and you felt you might not get a fair shake would you not also decide to ignore or decline those companies that you perceive to not be fair? I admit it is hard for humans period to be impartial and non-judgemental, but I think most of us find Consumer Reports to be very Asian Biased in comparison to American auto's. Why is this and is it due to what the American companies have done or some other reason? Point being, I agree with you and others that Ford seems to be taking a low road to pettiness. I think if you believe in your product you will stand up for it no matter how the review is and use said reviews to make your products better. With that said, I do not blame a company from not wanting to waste resources on a bias comparison that will not be at least equal if not gain something from it. That's the thing though. There is no evidence of said bias and given that Ford is doing this to more than one publication, it seems to contradict any bias claims unless they are paranoid enough to believe that all concerned are biased.
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So I'm wondering. Did Ford's stock go up after this "report"?
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You just had someone here tell you that MT is not the only site/publication that Ford has pissed off yet you insist this is all about MTs antics which, if you ask me, are 100% justified. Can't be everyone else's fault when they are telling you the same issues they are having with ONE company.
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Seems kind of silly to blame MT for the fact that Ford won't give them a real test car.
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When your own thread did this because of you
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Says the Ford fan. I rest my case. How exactly is he a Ford fan? Good grief man. Why be an ass about everything? He just tarred all car mags with the same brush of bias and owns a Ford, but you choose to throw shade on me for being an ass. Get outta here with that crap What the hell ever man. I have backed you when you said something relevant and legit. Sorry but this is not one of those times. Who gives two $h!s what he says about the magazines? He is right to a point and it's actually you that is trying to tar him with the same brush you do actual Ford fanboys (He has an Acura too so I guess that makes him a big ole' Acura fanboy too?), of which he is clearly not. Get yourself out of here with that bull$h! if you can't see the obviousness of your error. BTW, not one Ford was on the COTY list for 2016 so there went that little theory as well.
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The 2 Series is bigger and RWD so it really doesn't have much in common with the 1 other than "replacing" it.The 135i was RWD as wellMy bad. Just saw that. Why in the hell would they go the Mercedes route and dumb it down to FWD?On a side note, Make one little error and three people are there to pounce right on it. RWD. Got it. lol sorry... but in all fairness..i was the first.. ..CAFE.. but then again it is only for the Chinese market so who really gives a $h! here? I don't.. It's a business after all and they have to support the sporty stuff we like somehow. Sell the junk to the country that makes our junk and junk cars.. haha Lol you sure were! I just have no emotional connection to BMWs at all, save for two cars I had the privilege of driving for drunk friends (2007 7 Series and an M5). Nice rides but I would not wish the long term headaches on my worst enemy.
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The Camaro beat out the Mustang for COTY? He never said that. It's easy to deduce what is meant here is that the year before, the Mustang did not get COTY while the Camaro did the next year.
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Says the Ford fan. I rest my case. How exactly is he a Ford fan? Good grief man. Why be an ass about everything?
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The 2 Series is bigger and RWD so it really doesn't have much in common with the 1 other than "replacing" it. The 135i was RWD as well My bad. Just saw that. Why in the hell would they go the Mercedes route and dumb it down to FWD?On a side note, Make one little error and three people are there to pounce right on it. RWD. Got it.
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Here is the offers in my zip code 98034 and no cash on camaro, but cash on Corvette and SS. July2016PNW-Offers.jpg That's the exact same "deal" they are running on Camaros here. Proof can be a powerful thing as opposed to just saying it's so.
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Don't know about other locations but the only Camaro deals on Chevrolets website is for special financing deals but no cash back. Any cash back deals are coming only from select dealers from what I've seen. http://m.chevrolet.com/current-deals.html?vehicle=&zipcode=85345
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My question is why are they having so much trouble making lower trim models available? That makes no sense almost a year later.
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Funny you mention Knight Rider when they used a Mustang for the horrible reboot.
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You have literally missed every point. I guess that's what happens when you constantly have to deflect your double standards.Btw, who said Cadillac is a performance brand? They are a luxury brand with some performance models. That's your problem. You imagine scenarios that have never been brought up because no one else would be naive enough to do such things.
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Does Cadillac need a 500 hp Sedan? Crossovers outsell sedans gang, and are rising, sedans are falling. No point in having V-series at all if you only have 2 V products in shrinking segments. And Cadillac wants to go to Europe, the top 5 Established luxury brands in Europe (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, JLR) all make performance crossovers. A 500HP sedan makes more sense than a 500HP CUV. The fact that this has to be explained to you is baffling and would also fly in the face of the several 500HP sedans Mercedes offers.
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And that is obviously just your OPIIIIINION!
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You are still pulling numbers out of your posterior though. The XT5 is 300lbs. lighter than the SRX which will give it a far better weight bias. It still doesn't take away from the fact that even less than favorable reviews of it have remarked about its better than average handling characteristics due to the AWD system. Face it. No matter what facts are in front of you, you will continue to come up with pie in the sky excuses as to why any given Cadillac can't succeed. That's all I'm going to say because I'm not going to waste anymore space here talking to a biased brick wall about cars.
