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Why would U compare the LaX with the ATS anyway? The LaX should be viewed as a step down from the CTS. The ATS more in line with the Regal or even Verano in terms of steps. Because his second job is bar moving where it doesn't apply. Face it. He got busted pages ago with his sales post and has been backtracking and bar moving ever since.
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BMW News: Next BMW X5 to Use Underpinnings from 7-Series
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in BMW
General Motors created the first dedicated automotive test facility with MPG in 1924, all the divisions pounded their vehicles there constantly. Today it encompasses every terrain imaginable and is over 4000 acres. But it's not "The Ring" so it doesn't count in SMKs eyes. -
BMW News: Next BMW X5 to Use Underpinnings from 7-Series
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in BMW
Please stop acting like Mercedes tests their cars in some special way because they don't. All makes do a variety of drives in many different environments. -
BMW News: Next BMW X5 to Use Underpinnings from 7-Series
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in BMW
Again, it has nothing to do with anything. No one really cares if a CUV goes to Nuremberg. -
BMW News: Next BMW X5 to Use Underpinnings from 7-Series
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in BMW
Wtf does that matter? Why is it that everytine to get proven wrong, you completely change the subject instead of just manning up and admitting that you don't have a clue about anything that doesn't come from Germany? Damn autocorrect. Let me revise the first part. Why is it that everytime YOU get proven wrong... -
BMW News: Next BMW X5 to Use Underpinnings from 7-Series
surreal1272 replied to William Maley's topic in BMW
Wtf does that matter? Why is it that everytine to get proven wrong, you completely change the subject instead of just manning up and admitting that you don't have a clue about anything that doesn't come from Germany? -
You weren't "blurring the lines" when everyone brought Buick into the luxury sales fold. Pick a stance and stick with it. These excuses are just tiring. And again, if you are going to bring up "quality materials" then you have to scratch every Mercedes model offering plastic seats when talking about luxury sales. Seriously. Oh and I down voted for, once again, the bar moving.
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Again, by your own definition, that means that a base model CLA is not luxury because it sure as hell doesn't offer anything special in that regard.I still find it amusing that you continue to move the bar and dodge replies that directly contradict your BS and then you try to create some new scenario or set a particular criteria that means nothing to anyone but yourself. It really is embarrassing. I think we've actually been down this road.. a lot of Mercedes don't even come standard with Leather.. They give you the fake stuff unless you pony up. So..is Mercedes only part luxury? Because the S and G have to come with leather, I'd imagine the AMG GT does...and probably the GLS as well..? But the CLA, C, GLA, E, and GLE all some standard with the fake goods(looked those up). Cadillac only offers leather. Just say'n. None of that will count in SMKs mind because that would 100% expose his double standard regarding what he "thinks" is luxury.
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Again, by your own definition, that means that a base model CLA is not luxury because it sure as hell doesn't offer anything special in that regard.I still find it amusing that you continue to move the bar and dodge replies that directly contradict your BS and then you try to create some new scenario or set a particular criteria that means nothing to anyone but yourself. It really is embarrassing.
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Is the Sierra Denali not a luxury truck just because the Sierra W/T exists? So, based on his "logic", I guess that makes the base model CLA non- luxury as well?
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Ask the Ford stockholder. He's the one who interested Ford sales into a GM sales thread. What I provided was perspective for why those things occurred. I just don't know why oposing sides try and rub it in each others faces that X brand has more retail vs commercial sales.. as long as both companies are profiting BILLIONS of dollars and making sweet-ass vehicles for the retail customer who cares how they supplement the earnings to make said vehicles? I don't care if Ford has to sell a billion fleet/rental/commercial vehicles as long as they continue to make vehicles like the GT350 and Raptor..I don't care. Whatever has to happen to keep both companies afloat and profitable. I agree however that does come with a caveat. Retail has always brought higher profits than fleet and for years, when GM was relying very heavily on rentals, we heard that nonstop when Ford was pulling higher retail sales. Well, it is reversed now and cannot be dismissed as a whole just because it doesn't suit the Ford stockholders out there. That's all I'm saying because it is detracting from the subject.
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And it has already been discussed that the 4 cylinder model Camaro has not hit all the lots, hence a big reason for its lower numbers. It has also been well discussed, in the past, how many of those Stangs are from rentals, hence the barebones V6 models. An example of the overall fleet increase by Ford. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/04/01/ford-motor-company-march-2016-auto-sales/82509024/ "LaNeve said on a conference call that Ford's high car-rental-company sales during the first quarter were largely a function of order timing and do not reflect a strategic shift. Rental cars represented 17% of Ford sales in March, compared to 12% a year earlier." My point was the Mustang outsold the entire Alpha line.... FYI surreal, GM is also increasing their fleet % For April... " Commercial deliveries up for 30th consecutive month " " our Commercial and Government fleet business is growing. ” For March " Commercial sales grew 13 percent, Government sales were up 55 percent ". " GM’s daily rental mix of total sales was 11 percent. " And Ford is outpacing that considerably, hence their overall sales lead. FYI GMs retail sales were higher, which (as a few Ford fans pointed out a few years back) means higher profits in the long run. Again, perspective. Now do you have anything about GM sales to discuss or is the only reason you posted was to flame on about Ford?
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Ask the Ford stockholder. He's the one who interested Ford sales into a GM sales thread. What I provided was perspective for why those things occurred.
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And it has already been discussed that the 4 cylinder model Camaro has not hit all the lots, hence a big reason for its lower numbers. It has also been well discussed, in the past, how many of those Stangs are from rentals, hence the barebones V6 models. An example of the overall fleet increase by Ford. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/04/01/ford-motor-company-march-2016-auto-sales/82509024/ "LaNeve said on a conference call that Ford's high car-rental-company sales during the first quarter were largely a function of order timing and do not reflect a strategic shift. Rental cars represented 17% of Ford sales in March, compared to 12% a year earlier."
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Good grief Waldo. Find a damn clue, do a proper sales comparison or just leave this discussion altogether if you're just going to ignore everything that directly calls out your obvious bull$h!. Just stop. This is getting embarrassing.
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And? Seriously? Is dead horse your favorite meal? You've certainly gotten the tenderizing part down pat.
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The CLA is priced lower than a Cadenza while still getting spanked by a Buick Regal you seem insistent on ignoring. Again with the base prices, stop looking at the black friday deals and start looking at what Buick actually sells. The Verano doesn't sell all that loaded up, but the Encore typically sells mid-range or better. The base model of Lacrosse and Regal that you are citing do not exist outside of the Buick.com website. They are a fantasy... you cannot buy them. 75% of all Lacrosses are sold with leather package, which means a minimum of $36k... or $4k over the price of a base Maxima. The Maxima with Leather is still $3k cheaper than a Lacrosse with leather. A higher end Maxima or Lacrosse or Avalon or Cadenza luxury cars? if the GLA/CLA with plastic seating are, then those big sedans most certainly are. It doesn't have to have a luxury marque to be a luxury car. Is the K900 not a luxury car just because it's a Kia? If you're going to disqualify a vehicle because of the badge, then I get to disqualify vehicles that come with plastic seats standard. Don't forget the pleather!
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And that BS has already been shot down.
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If I told you all the things I've seen and done over the last day or three... well, it's been pretty crazy, put it that way. People who troll for no good reason tend to be a buzzkill as well. Are you going to be the one to go down this road? Seriously? Are you going to be the one who thinks I'm talking about just him? Way to not help your cause there Bong. You are normally not this bad but you have been hitting the trolling extra hard here and clearly I'm not the only one who feels this way so if you want to flip out and try to go after me, go for it but it will literally go nowhere.
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BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, and Audi have all pulled off those numbers by moving down market into Buick territory... so if you want to include that market, merge the Buick and Cadillac numbers. If you don't want to include that market, drop the 1/2-Series, GLA/CLA/B-Class, A3 and low end lexuses. Edit: and possibly GMC Denali numbers... I have been telling him the same thing for weeks. If you are going compare all Mercedes models for sales purposes then you have include all that apply from GM, not just Cadillac. Of course, that would kill his weak argument and he wouldn't be able to continue his cherry picking campaign. GM covers these two markets with 3 brands, Mercedes covers it with one. There is a valid debate to be had over which strategy is superior, but comparing sales numbers without acknowledging these facts is dishonest. Then you have to give BMW all Mini sales, because the cheapest Mini costs the same as a Verano and the Clubman is the same price as an Encore. Mini sales aren't any good, but if you want to compare sales down to $21,000, BMW should get them too, Audi should get to add the Volkswagen CC, Tiguan and Toureg, because those are priced higher than similar Buicks. Bottom line is Cadillac is GM's luxury brand, it is the one with the task of targeting Lexus and the Germans. No. The bottom line is that you are wrong. Cadillac and Buick both serve the luxury market against Germans (Cadillac) and Lexus (Cadillac and Buick). Seriously. You're going to hurt yourself with the constant bar moving man. Slow down.
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I thought this paragraph somewhat summed it up from the above article: "Hours after the sun set, the Regal was stalking the CLA250 on Route 89A leading to Jerome. The road was narrow, with the eerie kind of dark where a bright moon is of little use. Here, the Regal was as good a curvy road companion as the other three, though it did mandate first gear for the slowest hairpins. It drives like it is the most skewed toward luxury, with abundant pitch and roll, yet its wide front track and accurate steering place the car where it’s needed. Dare we say it was the second-most enjoyable in these conditions behind the at-home-on-windy-roads BMW? The CC doesn’t dive as much on the brakes as the Regal, but it’s harder to feel out the front tires through the steering. The CLA250 is nimble, but the twin-clutch automatic struggles to respond on manual toggles and the overly stiff front shakes the rest of the car, making for sweaty hands.[/size]" Funny side story. I lived in that area for years. The drive Jerome will certainly test any cars handling capabilities. Just one hairpin turn after another. Fun drive though if you have the right car.
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Per request. http://www.motortrend.com/news/entry-level-luxury-sedan-comparison/
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Again, your bull$h! cherry picking is not going to fly here. If you think that certain model Buicks don't compete with the cheapo CLA, then you are further deluding yourself. Again, I can post that MT comparo where the Regal handed the CLAs ass to it if you want.Oh and the LaCrosse starts a whole $1000 less than the CLA that can't even beat a Regal.
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BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, and Audi have all pulled off those numbers by moving down market into Buick territory... so if you want to include that market, merge the Buick and Cadillac numbers. If you don't want to include that market, drop the 1/2-Series, GLA/CLA/B-Class, A3 and low end lexuses. Edit: and possibly GMC Denali numbers... The CLA costs more than a Buick LaCrosse, and no BMW or Mercedes or Audi costs $21k like a Verano. The Germans have more up market products, say $75k and up, than the American and Japanese brands also. The Escalade and The LS460 and LX570 are it. Sorry but you don't get to cherry pick this. You don't get to use Benz sales across the board, which I noticed you didn't exclude the $15k Smart cars, and then say that we can't pick this or that. Sorry, but you screwed yourself here.
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BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, and Audi have all pulled off those numbers by moving down market into Buick territory... so if you want to include that market, merge the Buick and Cadillac numbers. If you don't want to include that market, drop the 1/2-Series, GLA/CLA/B-Class, A3 and low end lexuses. Edit: and possibly GMC Denali numbers... The CLA costs more than a Buick LaCrosse, and no BMW or Mercedes or Audi costs $21k like a Verano. The Germans have more up market products, say $75k and up, than the American and Japanese brands also. The Escalade and The LS460 and LX570 are it. [/quote Sorry but you don't get to cherry pick this.
