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Glad to see you rooting for them to steal sales away from the Colorado and Canyon. I expect them to just make a work truck with a turbo 4 engine, lower volume. But if they wanted to make a luxury truck or a performance version, they could easily take over this segment.Fancy Nissan. Thanks for playing. Also thanks for the laugh when you said that it will steal sales from the GM twins. Nissan sure hasn't done it but hey, a troll can dream right?Again, fancy Nissan. Oh and I don't know where you live but the biggest Mercedes dealership here in Phoenix sells their cars and vans on the same lot. That new Nissan will look great sitting near a $100k S Class </sarcasm>

If the original Fusion wasn't based on the Mazda 6 it wouldn't have been nearly as successful. Food for thought......... Exactly. Why do some Ford fans forget that Ford made their living just like that for twenty years with Mazda? Sales from both did not suffer as a result of them "selling against each other" so why would this? Answer? It doesn't.

Hey. Check out this "Fancy Nissan".

Then maybe you should pay particular attention to what I'm actually saying instead of commenting with blinders on. I'm not going to walk you through it anymore. You are STILL stuck on 'SALES = EVERYTHING', despite being told a thousand times that's not Cadillac's goal.Who cares how many of what sold, and vs. others sold? You just don't get it. Sure; an XT5 V-Sport would be neat, it may happen, but it's no 'make or break' model. Exactly. He can't seem to get that little fact through his head.

Not if the quality of materials, fit n finish is not there and it does not scream luxury. In your opinion, have you detected anything through either picture or a journalist's remark (someone who has experienced it in person) that would suggest that this new Lincoln will not have quality materials, fit or finish? What I see, is continuous improvement in a brand that is delivering on product, but is a step or two behind in perception. I bet this Continental will immensely help on the latter. Hey Guest, How about sign up and make an account with us?? Officially become a member of the great community here at CnG! Good group of guys here. I agree with ccap. Don't be shy. Join us for civil discussions about all makes and models of cars from yesteryear to today.

If you don't understand the fundamental argument of selling a high performance sedan versus a high powered mommy mobile and why you wait on that particular variation in the first place (because you clearly have ignored the fact that the original CTS-V came out one year AFTER the standard CTS, thus supporting my argument), then maybe you should just stop talking. I am done with the troll feeding. However, I will leave you with one last parting shot. I am going to submit this slogan for submission to Daimler's marketing department and see what they think. I think it will be a hit personally. "THE NEW MERCEDES FRONTIER! BOLDLY GOING WHERE NISSAN HAS BEEN FOR DECADES!"

You are dodging the "issue" here. If you are going to criticize Cadillac for their dimensions in one segment then you have to do the same with MB. How do you have two CUVs that are ten inches apart in length yet they are both called "compacts", using your "logic"? Do you see it yet or do you want to continue with the phantom issue? I am not criticizing Cadillac's dimensions at all. The XT5 is mid-size as you would expect "5" to be in the middle. The size for the name is spot on. My criticism was the Buick Envision costs more than the Cadillac XT5. Cadillac is supposed to be the luxury brand, Buick is supposed to be a step above Chevy and Entry-lux at best. A small Buick should not cost more than a mid-size Cadillac. That makes no sense. The Envision is the same size as a Verano, imagine a Verano priced more than the CTS.If Cadillac is going to use entry-lix pricing, then we don't really need Buick or GMC, just expand the heck out of Cadillac and let Cadillac sell 15 models and rack up sales in the $30-60k range. If they want to do that and make Cadillac a Lincoln, Acura, Jeep, Chrysler, Infiniti competitor, then I am fine with that. They could mop the floor with all those brands if they focused on doing it. But if Cadillac is going to be tier one luxury, a vehicle like XT5 should base around $50k and have a 640 hp V8 XT5-V for about $100k. They want to be top their, but we still haven't seen the product or the move toward that. Cadillac is still caught in building a fancy Chevy to battle the Fancy Fords that Lincoln is building, while claiming they are targeting the Germans. They have to decide a direction and stick with it. Again you missed the point. All those words and nothing really said other warrant less criticism that you levy GMs way while ignoring that very same issue offered by Benz. It's just tiring as well as typically hypocritical.Btw that last paragraph was, quite frankly, the most retarded thing I've read in a long time. Let me make this simple for you. Cadillac does not compete with Lincoln overall. That's Buicks job. Don't believe me? Show me one Lincoln that competes with a CTS-V or even am ATS-V. Don't worry. I'll wait. Finally, calling them "fancy Chevys" is just flat out trolling as well as factually incorrect. When MB puts out their pick up, expect a lot of "fancy Nissan" remarks.

Not if the quality of materials, fit n finish is not there and it does not scream luxury. In your opinion, have you detected anything through either picture or a journalist's remark (someone who has experienced it in person) that would suggest that this new Lincoln will not have quality materials, fit or finish? What I see, is continuous improvement in a brand that is delivering on product, but is a step or two behind in perception. I bet this Continental will immensely help on the latter. Hey Guest, How about sign up and make an account with us?? Officially become a member of the great community here at CnG! Good group of guys here. Do we really another Ford employee? Lol Damn quick fingers. That should have read "Do we really NEED another Ford employee?"

You are dodging the "issue" here. If you are going to criticize Cadillac for their dimensions in one segment then you have to do the same with MB. How do you have two CUVs that are ten inches apart in length yet they are both called "compacts", using your "logic"? Do you see it yet or do you want to continue with the phantom issue?

Not if the quality of materials, fit n finish is not there and it does not scream luxury. In your opinion, have you detected anything through either picture or a journalist's remark (someone who has experienced it in person) that would suggest that this new Lincoln will not have quality materials, fit or finish? What I see, is continuous improvement in a brand that is delivering on product, but is a step or two behind in perception. I bet this Continental will immensely help on the latter. Hey Guest, How about sign up and make an account with us?? Officially become a member of the great community here at CnG! Good group of guys here. Do we really another Ford employee? Lol

The Buick is midsize. Nice trolling though. It is????? Buick Envision length 183.7 inches long Chevrolet Cruze 183.7 in Cadillac ATS 183.6 in BMW X3 183.8 in I always thought those were in the small segment. The Buick is midsize. Nice trolling though. It is????? Buick Envision length 183.7 inches long Chevrolet Cruze 183.7 in Cadillac ATS 183.6 in BMW X3 183.8 in I always thought those were in the small segment. That is what it is called. Take it up with GM and just stop the stupid trolling nonsense. For reference though, the GLA is a luxury compact and is ten inches shorter than the Envision. The GLK is also called a compact that is five inches shorter than the Envision. You see where I'm going yet or do you want to continue with your phantom issues?

Is there a third choice because both are unreliable and one is just downright hideous (looking at you Alfa)?

Mercedes certainly is not immune to the same exact failures but people keep buying them too. Something Barnum said comes to mind here.

The Buick is midsize. Nice trolling though.

Your second paragraph is unrelated to the issue at hand. Those are regulated entirely different from passenger cars and for good reasons. For you to even bring that up shows the genuine concern that MB has been playing some dirty German pool like VW. Your sad deflection is a dead giveaway.

Shall I show some things that Mercedes copied?I swear it seems like I've seen that somewhere before...oh yeah. Here it is. Oh and Lincoln has been using door mounted seat controls for a while.

Hey! Better late than never!

Make excuses all you want but there is simply no excuse for pleather in a $50k+ Benz. No excuse. If this were offered by Cadillac, you would have a field day talking about GM bean counters and them being cheap.

No more boring than your average Mercedes with pleather seats.

. Thou cannot also not call a car luxury when leather isn't even standard. Funny how you dodge those little facts that show how gullible most Mercedes buyers are.

Hahahahaha Yeah except it isn't competing with a sport sedan. Of course nothing American has great interiors because they aren't German. *sarcasm* What's funny is for $7000 you get 2hp, fake leather(MB Tex bull$h!), no keyless ignition like the Lincoln comes with, No heated seats like the Lincoln comes with, No rear view Camera like the Lincoln comes with, 17 inch wheels(Lincoln comes with 18's) Yeah, what a bargain the E Class is. Exactly! What really grinds my gears is the fake leather in a car that STARTS at FIFTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. That's just insane and complete bull$h!. BMW and Mercedes are both extremely guilty of this practice but it is the one thing you won't hear their fans try to defend because it is indefensible.

Yeah except it isn't competing with a sport sedan. Of course nothing American has great interiors because they aren't German. *sarcasm* What's funny is for $7000 you get 2hp, fake leather(MB Tex bull$h!), no keyless ignition like the Lincoln comes with, No heated seats like the Lincoln comes with, No rear view Camera like the Lincoln comes with, 17 inch wheels(Lincoln comes with 18's) Yeah, what a bargain the E Class is. Exactly!

What it shares its bones with is irrelevant. Don't know why you want to beat a dead horse when Mercedes is going to the same thing with their new Nissan Pick..., I mean pick up.Oh and that E Class starts at $7k higher and quickly shoots to a price that goes far beyond a top tier Continental.

. See. There's the problem. You think it's of a case of a small car getting premium styling when there is A. Nothing premium about a $30K Mercedes And B. It's a case of the newer $175k S Class coupe using the same nose as a $30k Mercedes. I understand family unity and all but a car in this price range can afford to look more distinguished than that.