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  1. surreal1272
    And, once again, you are not paying attention. He mentioned that they offered the lighter colors but the majority out there are of the black and drab variety. He never said, not once, that they ONLY offered the dark and drab. Go ahead and deny that if you want, but me personally, I have rarely seen any of those colors you have shown here out in the wild. Clearly, most MB buyers (and BMW buyers as well), prefer dark and drab looking.
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    Same old thing, like the Camaro, Corvette and Mustang. Yet those are considered America's best. Could you have made a more ignorant post?
  3. surreal1272
    So much fail in your post (more than usual), I don't even know where to start. Any production of more crossovers for Cadillac will not cannibalize sales from GMC and Buick. Thus far GM has done a much better job of making their share platform cars/trucks more distinctive. One only needs to look at the ATS and the Camaro to see that. Knowing that, it slams the door on your asinine claim of sales stealing. On top of that, who the f@#k really cares? If more Caddy's are sold, then that means higher profit margins. The last time I checked that was a good thing according to you. Seriously man, if you are gong to troll GM every chance you get, can you make it look a little less obvious?
  4. surreal1272
    You're a month late on this one Suave . Like I said in the other though, the Camaro is just a flat out beast! http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/86548-2015-bmw-m4-vs-2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss/#entry785278
  5. surreal1272
    An intelligible debate was had and reasons were laid out. Sorry if that doesn't meet this mysterious criteria you seem to want to hang your hat on.
  6. surreal1272
    Which is the same tactic used by just about every other automaker.
  7. surreal1272
    And Mercedes doesn't try to sell their dreams? Seriously? Mercedes doesn't put out lots of concept cars that show a convertible, sports car, flagship, or whatever to draw up excitement and then not deliver. GM likes to make these exciting concepts and say things like an S-class fighter is in the works, well in 2010 they were talking about and S-class fighter, in 2016 they now say it is dead. 6 years or talk and no action. Remember these? Great looking concepts that never saw the light of day. The Avenir, Avista, Ciel and El Mirage will join those 3 as dream cars that would elevate the brand, but never materialized. Mercedes showed an S-class convertible a few years ago, they put an S-class convertible on sale this year. Mercedes built stuff like this: Over the top cars that don't really make sense, but they built their dreams and put it on sale. You have to be kidding me right? You're going to act like Benz, as well as everyone else for that matter, doesn't put out concepts unless they are hitting the road for real? Tell me more about that F400. How about the Vision Gran Tourismo concept from 2013? Or how about the concept IAA? Haven't seen any of those on the road so... See SMK, it's easy to cherry pick until you realize others can do that too.
  8. surreal1272
    And Mercedes doesn't try to sell their dreams? Seriously?
  9. surreal1272
    You don't have to buy it but the facts were right there in front of you. I cannot help you if you decided to ignore that fact by saying "I don't buy it".
  10. surreal1272
    Why do you seemingly ignore evidence that is contrary to your statement and then when you see that you are wrong, try to make excuses for the wrong?
  11. surreal1272
    Maybe you'd do a lot better here Suave if you would stop acting everyone has an "underlying" reason for not being as enamored with the car as you are. That's the defensive posturing I was taking about and you proved it in spades.
  12. surreal1272
    I gave you their history. Seriously. I did and that is all need right now until it proves otherwise. Seriously. What are you being so damn defensive about? What?! What Sauve? What?! That is how you're coming off right now so I'm just going to leave it at that. Enough space has been wasted here. For the record, I made the same statements about the first gen CTS 12 years ago for the same reasons. In that case, I referenced the Cimmaron and the Catera.
  13. surreal1272
    Or you could just stop rambling. Oh and I admitted my mistake which is more than I can for some folks. I am not hating on it. I'm being realistic which is far more than I can say for you right now. You have reason for hope while I have reason to doubt it. It's that simple. Just stop acting like your opinion carries more weight when there is zero proof that it actually does. And I'm done. You may now, as Led Zeppelin once said, ramble on if it helps you feel better Suave.
  14. surreal1272
    Oh good grief Suave. Here I thought dramatics was not in your nature.
  15. surreal1272
    Okay suave. I'm trying to be civilized here. Show me where I said it was "more of the same" because I'm sure I didn't and that's your problem. You don't even know who you are arguing with at this point. Bong said it was more of the same. Now are you trying to equate my argument with his? If so, then that is pure fail on your part. It's a f@#king car so ease up on the throttle and keep your arguments straight next time.To the down vote troll: Sorry you are only allowed one per day. My arguments have always been the same, always consistent. And I don't know what anyone is trying to prove. I dismissed the 40,000 people interested in this car. All I said was there are some tangible reasons to consider this car. And none of those elicit comparison to sport sedans at the same size and price point. Then I projected its performance, which is a sin to do. But again, what are you comparing the car to?! A sport sedan - go ahead, pick apart how the car will drive, even though no one has driven it yet. And then I used the more of the same thinking to pull up relevant anecdotes of how the recent MKX has fared in reviews. And if the car drives like a sedan version of that - then it's pretty clear the appeal of the vehicle is exactly what Lincoln says it will be - comfort and not ground-breaking handling, but surprisingly competent. t's pretty clear to me, anyone who has posted against me just flat out hates the car or what it represents. Why I am to bother trying to explain that the brand that will make this car has already forgone the possibility that those people will consider the car, even though they've never driven the car either. I can trace every word I've posted, and all of it ties back to this. Okay, let me make this short since my last post did not take apparently. You were right regarding my post. I wasn't 100% sure when I said it. I can accept that 100%. What I cannot accept is your absolute thinking on this. So if anyone hates the car, they are just being a hater but because you like the car, even though you also have driven it, yet you think your words should carry more weight. That is the problem with your logic from the get go and for you to simply dismiss what I am saying because you feel I'm being a "hater", is simply asinine. Sorry but that is how I feel you are acting right now.
  16. surreal1272
    Okay suave. I'm trying to be civilized here. Show me where I said it was "more of the same" because I'm sure I didn't and that's your problem. You don't even know who you are arguing with at this point. Bong said it was more of the same. Now are you trying to equate my argument with his? If so, then that is pure fail on your part. It's a f@#king car so ease up on the throttle and keep your arguments straight next time. To the down vote troll: Sorry you are only allowed one per day.
  17. surreal1272
    Good grief Suave. We get it. You love the car no matter what and anything anyone else says about it just makes them stupid. Again, point proven.
  18. surreal1272
    So you have not actually driven one and you are using hypotheticals to justify your absolutely line of thinking because some here are critical of it. Thanks for clearing that up Suave and proving my point. Peace.
  19. surreal1272
    Never mind Suave. You have 100% missed the mark and it's not worth devolving into a pissing match you claim you don't want to take part in. You just have gone off into deep left center field with this while missing the point entirely.
  20. surreal1272
    So if I don't think it measures up the same way you say it does (even though neither one of us have driven it), then my thoughts don't matter? Is that what you are saying? I mean if you can't help anyone recognize that (using your words here) then that must mean you somehow think your opinion has more weight than anyone else who disagrees with your assessment. Why the absolute thinking over something that is purely subjective up to this point?
  21. surreal1272
    BTW Suave, I'm not trying to sound like an ass but I just don't think you are seeing the whole picture on some matters and getting things twisted up. Nothing personal.
  22. surreal1272
    I think you are wrong. There reduction in rentals (with the subsequent rise in retail sales) has been because of the desire for more more profits, the same reason Ford did for many years. It was well discussed last year when GM announced such a thing. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-30/gm-pulls-back-on-rental-fleet-sales-in-search-of-better-margins Don't know why you are ignoring that fact. Then maybe you should pay attention to what someone is actually saying instead of what you think they are saying. Also, pay attention to current events more. Again, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-30/gm-pulls-back-on-rental-fleet-sales-in-search-of-better-margins
  23. surreal1272
    That's fair enough but it seems like you are just using your personal opinion of it to shape it's reasons for succeeding when that is not really best indicator of such. There's just a few million or more drivers that have to be convinced of the same thing. Just saying.
  24. surreal1272
    Um, I never said that you did say that it would sell 40,000. I said that surveys mean jack squat. Don't know how you could read that any other way Suave. And that is still not a very convincing argument (only because I have heard this said about multiple Lincolns over the last two decades with opposite results) but we can agree to disagree.
  25. surreal1272
    While it is a clear valid point, a better discussion can be had if one is to explain their thinking and who knows, maybe you will want to change from a down to an up vote based on the debate. Both have their point, I just like to better understand why people are thinking the way they do. My downvote explanations will all be the same though.. -1 "Because you're acting like a douche" I'm not sure how much discussion that will bring..lol I say this with all due respect ccap (because we have talked about this before), but what gives you the right to decide who is "acting like a douche"? What you find as "douchy", some other may see as completely legit. Seems kind of childish in a way and a waste of a legit down vote to me. No offense but that is just my take on it.
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