surreal1272

Does it really make that big of a difference? Both of my receivers are pre-amped for a turntable already so I am wondering if it is truly worth adding to an existing system. Looks like some good Schiit (yes, I was itching to say that).

Those are really good turntables for the price. If I go with a belt driven model, it'll be something along that nature, as far design goes. Love the modern look to it. All of my "throwback" media is in my workshop (CDs, Albums, and Minidisc, yes minidisc). My current setup in my workshop. The four components here (below) cost me a grand total of $45, courtesy of of Goodwill in Peoria, AZ and the pawnshop where I work part time. I am a cheap deal fiend lol. Add in the two pairs of USA made Sony floor speakers, and I spent less than $100 for everything.

I can support that. Looking for a nice one for my living room but I think I may go direct drive instead of belt driven. Still mulling that one over. I hate to say it, but I actually like it. It does a really nice job of paying homage to the classic ZX rides like the 240 and 260 with even a little bit of the 2nd gen 300 in there. More "back to it's roots".

Yet none of those “issues” have been issues since they have ZERO problem moving any of them. I think GM has it pretty well covered. And what everyone else here is trying to tell you is that the D3 have been selling luxury pick ups for years now. It’s your favorite company that didn’t seem to have a case for it even though they are allegedly a luxury car company. See the problem yet? I am wondering if anyone can get new products out on time, at this point. This shortage has affected literally everyone.

Care to cite ANY of this? Top level trim pick ups are luxury and they cant keep them on the lots, like the F-150 Platinum. Point here is that the domestics were already producing luxury pick ups and will continue to do so, and quite well at that.

Not a single panel was shared between the two. Same for the interior (the 2nd gen anyway). Yeah, they made some money on but it wasn’t that cheap to swap it over. There was a different engine too.

Shhhh! You know can't post facts around here when it comes to Daimler fans. You'll just make their arms tired from all the bar moving.

This is why a reasonable discussion cannot be had with you. You jump all over the map with senseless comparisons and move the bar whenever it pleases you. And we have talked about these lies you like to spill about transaction prices. Just stop it already. No one cares and this never goes anywhere because you refuse to acknowledge facts. Well since they don't sell for that price new, then that makes this one of those stupid comparisons of yours. The Slade and Navigator don't even compete with the overpriced and way too small G-Wagen. I do know that they routinely outsell their actual German competition though so...

With those two partners alone, they are starting on better footing than Tesla (in the early days). At least they didn’t piggy back off of a useless two door (from another company) for six years before they put out their first actual car which was also not a CUV or SUV or Pickup.

And it is an entirely different (and smaller) type of EV as it is more CUV while the Rivian can actually go off road. Again, won’t be cross shopped. Besides I said they had nothing right now, not that they had a future nothing. What in the bar moving hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China? No one said it had to outsell the Ford (it won’t). It was about having more than one model in the EV realm (since you originally said they had just one), that BMW currently had nothing for it (since you made the ridiculous comparisons to their multiple ICE CUVs). It is also clear that you no little to nothing about Rivian so the rest of your post is 100% bunk at this point.

And none are electric like Rivian making this a truly apples to oranges comparison.

Most likely the 70s and that "tech" goes back to the 1960s, as far as GM is concerned. ERGS (per Wikipedia) Electronic Route Guidance System (ERGS) was a 1970s era government sponsored in-vehicle navigation and route guidance system used in the United States. ERGS was the initial stage of a larger research and development effort called the Intelligent Transportation System (ITS). Other programs include Japan's CACS and similar projects in Europe. ERGS was a destination oriented system that required a human driver to enter a destination code into the vehicle system. The vehicle communicated with an instrument intersection where the destination code was decoded and routing information was sent back to the vehicle.[1] And in 1966, https://www.wheels.ca/news/1966-in-car-navigation-system-looks-very-familiar-today/

But in the most technical sense, they have been in "business" for 18 years. That was the point I believe Balth was trying to make.

Yet, you probably made a similar statement about Tesla years back. Meanwhile, they compete just fine with those same companies these days. Bet those buyers know who Tesla is now. The same will apply to Lucid once and if they can get out the door without the same quality hiccups that have plagued Tesla since day one. Except that is not what SMK said. He said the company started ten years ago which, as Balth pointed out, is not true.

On top of that, he has said that those very same companies have a lot of catching up to do when it comes to Tesla yet now...

Apparently you didn’t know about Rivian because you said, earlier, that they only had one so that’s a lie right off the bat. About the sedans, duh. I’m aware of the market but funny how this level of criticism did not befall a certain German brand when they introduced their first real EV SEDAN. Point here being that sedans are only surviving in the luxury realm right now so this was an appropriate release seeing as how it has been in development for years. Your entire argument seems to skip of the facts mentioned above. Exactly. He bitches about one company NOT putting out an SUV and instead releasing a sedan and then bitches about the other only having one SUV like any new company has started with twelve when they first come out. Damn if you do and damn if you don’t with his bar moving. I swear he has Tesla stock. Stick to the damn subject. The M5 is not competition for it. The Tesla Model S is and on paper, the Lucid spanks it and according to the review I posted above, it destroys it on every metric but what do I know. I just see the words of the people who actually DRIVE them as opposed to your constant bar moving tactics here, none of which involves any wheel time in the cars you mention.

I think they are doing like Tesla and starting with higher trim models first but they have routinely stated that there would be sub-$100K models.

Wrong again, on the price. Again. research.

Tesla had no problem starting with the Model S SEDAN, that often crests over $100K, so I'm not sure price has any bearing here nor the type of car. Research is your friend.

I get that because, like I said, the looks will be subjective. I would like to see some different color combinations, inside and out, before I say for sure how I feel about it. What is not in doubt for me, is that the overall driving specs are better than the Model S and the interior is lights years better than it.

Since, believe it or not, this thread is about the competition vs Tesla I found a recent writeup on the Lucid Air Dream Edition. Yes, it carries a way high price but spec wise, it destroys the Tesla Model S on just about every metric that matters (that I can see) and makes the EQS look downright foolish overall (exception being the looks which will always be a subjective thing). The interior absolutely kills the Tesla and I see that they paid a little homage to Cadillac with that stretched screen design lol. On paper, at least, the Lucid is just top notch. Now let's see it out in the wild and see how it does. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-lucid-air-dream-edition-r-exclusive-first-drive-review/

Let me correct this for you, The Porsche 718 GT4 is about the same performance on a track as a C8 Z51 (which still uses a base 6.2L N/A V8 where as the GT4 is 114HP greater than a BASE model Cayman.) Just skip the last part of that article where they had issue with the $20K price difference while being basically neck and neck. Basically there Cayman had to be juiced (that extra 114 HP) to run with a BASE engine Vette. Guess by you bar moving BS logic, that the Cayman is better than the 911 (Vette won a similar comparo against the 911 in a MT review). You have literally missed the entire damn pint here because it flew in the face of your "anything but a lowly Chevy" argument. And do you honestly think they make equal pay? I have a bridge to sell you if you do.

Wrong again. The 718 package that runs with the BASE Vette is over $100K, runs the 0-60 in 4.2 seconds (as opposed to the Vette 2.9 second time). The entry line Cayman can't touch it. The BASE Vette does, however, run with a $122K BASE Porsche 911. And I quote, "With the Porsche, it takes only 2.9 seconds, but the Corvette needs just 2.8, making it the quickest factory Corvette to 60 mph in history. The advantage carries through the quarter, the Corvette trapping in 11.1 seconds at 123.2 mph and the 911 in 11.2 seconds at 124.3. And these are just the base versions of each car. What a time to be alive." Got anything else? What you have to bear in mind here is that the Vette does this in its FIRST YEAR as a mid-engine car against a car that has been that way for 60 years. I don't give a damn what you say but that is a huge accomplish, in and of itself, and again with a BASE MODEL. I look forward to seeing what the upcoming Z06 brings to the table in October and I have never been a huge Vette fan.

That's a BASE MODEL Vette, a repeated fact you keep ignoring. How does a BASE model M4 do (4.1 sec. 0-60 time)? How about that BASE model AMG GT (with its 4.8 sec. 0-60 time)? Get the entire F out of here if you can't grasp that simple little concept. Here's the kicker. What do the last two pages have to do with the thread subject?

Yeah, just skip the 150-170HP difference there because that wouldn't suit your ridiculous narrative.