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Not the right gen Benz. Here is his gen. (2008) but yeah, somehow better than a CT6 interior. But until then, vaporware. Only to brand snobs but you can't say that people won't go for a Vette vs a Porsche 718, on one hand, and then basically imply that it doesn't compete at all because it's a Chevy (that outperforms the 718 and a 911 in most circles) not he other. Again, you are putting too much stock into this brand image thing.

No. That’s what their CUVs are for. Besides, the 718 sells in FEWER numbers than the 911. @smk4565- What year is your Benz?

And that is where you fail. Porsche should be ashamed that a $90k Vette has a better interior and comparable performance than their base $129K 911. What does that say about Porsches “image”. The image I’m getting is one that’s overpriced.

You clearly did not read the whole article. No. You said the Vette shouldn’t be compared to the 911 when that is the Porsche it has ALWAYS been compared to. It should be noted that the Vette was called more luxurious than the $40K higher price 911. Maybe you don’t but most buyers certainly do compare them. That is just a dumb assumption on your part.

Corrected in bold.

Must be why auto publications constantly compare the Vette against the 911, like type does for half a century. BTW, this particular Vette was faster to 0-60 than the 911. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-chevrolet-corvette-c8-vs-2020-porsche-911-comparison-test-review/ Make sure you pay attention to this part about the interiors of the two since you are so certain that the 911 is superior. "It's just one of the ways in which the Corvette's cabin is nicer than the 911's, a sentence we feared we'd never get to write. The Corvette's notoriously cheap materials, gaping panel gaps, and persistent smell of glue have all been banished—and this was in an early-build car, no less. The previous Corvette generation showed us Chevrolet could afford to give the car both performance and a nice interior, but the C8 has skipped straight past nice and into proper supercar territory. The leather is the best we've seen and felt in a Corvette by a wide margin, there's no cheap-looking hard plastic anywhere (well … the cupholders are a bit of a wince), and the seats (midgrade GT2s, in this case) strike a balance between comfort and lateral support that even some supercar builders don't get right. Granted, our Corvette was a top-shelf 3LT trim level with the best interior you can yet buy for the car, but you can do that when the as-tested price is a Silverado less than the 911—which had zero interior dress-up options, at that. Sure, Porsche will wrap the air vent blades in leather if you put enough zeroes on the check, but out of the box, it's a stark field of dark grays and blacks all finished in varying grades of plastic and piano black. Our Carrera didn't even have power seats" So yes, you can have a nicer interior in the 911, if you want to pay thousands for each little bit that makes it that way.

What he has been told since day one when Tesla announced the wedge on wheels. Yet that hasn't stopped you from constantly pointing out 0-60 times whenever it suits you. Ummm, are you sure about that Mercedes fan?

A perfect example of the bizarro world that is known as the used car market. This my Flex right now, private party value. I paid $12,500 for it 18 months ago.

That graph takes some translating but from what I’ve seen from multiple articles on this is that the biggest issue with EV vs. ICE is the up front cost, ie EVs cost more to buy. Aside from that, there is no comparison when it comes to maintenance costs (again, Tesla’s stupid prices not withstanding).

Good thing they are no longer the only EV player in town because their constant price jumps are just dumb beyond words.

And diehard ICE fans do the same thing from the other side. Not exactly a convincing argument. That ccap article also covers the issue with Tesla, that does not exist with the mainstream competition like GM and Ford. By all means though, ignore that elephant in the room though. "And, since Tesla owns all of its service centers and maintains tight control over its parts, there are fewer options to shop around for service in cases like these than for most other cars." The simple solution there are 3rd party options and service, just like with ICE. I would also like to see this chart you quote from David as I can't seem to find it. @David?

So, in other words, because ALL of Tesla smokes Benz in the 0-60 realm, it's the much higher priced (than Tesla) AMG that will compete with Tesla in the speed category. Again, interesting excuses given here.

But according to you, those kind of 0-60 numbers aren't good enough for everyone else so thanks for confirming the exception being Benz because there is "going to be" a supposed faster version. BTW, it is not jouster the Plaid S that dusts that Benz. It's pretty much every trim of the Model S doing that (they all do better than 3 seconds). Just interesting to see the excuses granted to one but not the other.

@David I will say this. Performance aside, most reviews spoke highly of the luxury component and the interior of the EQS but as a luxury maker, that's the way a Benz should be. It's downfall is less than stellar performance numbers (again, we have heard non-stop crowing about Tesla's 0-60 numbers as the be all, end all so let's see if it's a big deal for a $100K Benz) and looking like a ten year old jellybean from VW.

A snippet from recent MT article about the Mercedes Benz EQS. "The EQS580's dual motors combine for 516 hp and 631 lb-ft of torque—with the rear motor being the same 329-hp, 419-lb-ft unit used in the EQS450+—and Mercedes says it'll reach 60 mph in 4.1 seconds. That's quick for something so large, but that 4.1 seconds is nearly twice as long as it'll take a Tesla Model S Plaid to reach the same speed. The EQS450+ moves more deliberately still, needing a claimed 5.9 seconds to reach 60." So, are 0-60 times still important? Asking for a friend who insists that Tesla's 0-60 times are what makes them so great. Source: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-electric-luxury-car-first-drive-review/

I’m guessing you are figuring if you mention it enough times, they’ll actually produce the damn thing? Oh and for $2.7 million, it better the fastest on the ring. God forbid a just over $100K Vette (from an economy car company, according to you) make it sweat lol.

Semantics because it still broke the record without AWD. That kit, btw, is basically an aero package and it doesn’t matter that it’s not “stock”. It can still be added by Porsche at a Porsche dealership so your attempt to dilute its achievement over the Benz is pretty obvious.

They’ve been marketing against those cars for decades now. Not sure what planet you’ve been living on. You need to stop this obsession of yours where you constantly $h! on cars like the Vette just because it’s still a Chevrolet. That hasn’t mattered since day one the car came out and it matters even less now except to silly little German fanboys who have to find any excuse to tear down a domestic. Sorry, but your game is just old at this point. They won’t go that route because it’s dumb. Not sure what you’re not getting here.

Just stop it. Just about every import there is new by word market standards and even the Chinese know about the Vette and those with the dough won't give two $h!s about Chevrolet being an "economy" brand. Again, GM knows the China market pretty well and much better than you do. No. And thanks for confirming why you are not in marketing.

And? There is big money in China and the rich folks there will swoop up any new Vette in droves regardless of the import tax. Other brands have succeeded like there and so can GM. They know the China market quite well, actually.

Agreed. It should also be noted that I'm not sure that Bowling Green can handle those kind of numbers anyway so unless they add to that plant or something of that nature, those numbers are never going to happen.

I get what your saying and they should see an increase once everything is back to normal with part shortages and such but I do not see it ever hitting 80-100K. Color me surprised if it does, even as good as it is. I agree but I don't think it's too risky, price wise, given the fact that the GT is already expensive as hell lol.

You sure about that? https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/history-of-turbo/amg-new-flat-plane-v8-explained https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a33298784/mercedes-amg-gt-black-series-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8/ In other words, Benz is copying Ferrari as well but its only a issue for SMK because the Vette is copying them (skip the part where Ford has already used the motor in the Mustang) Again, https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a33298784/mercedes-amg-gt-black-series-flat-plane-crank-twin-turbo-v-8/

I hate to agree with him but SMK is right. The Vette has never sold more than mid-30K a year so 80-100k is never going to happen unless they sell them everywhere and not just here and a few select countries. But you are still wrong in saying "always". It would be more accurate to say that they used to suck gas. Thats all I'm saying. So a POS Ferrari is your case study on that engine but not the AMG-GT that ALSO USES IT?

Not exactly true. Over the last two decades, they have routinely gotten mid-20s on the highway. So much context missing here, one doesn’t even know where to begin.