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@smk4565—And bringing up the low volume G-Wagen was just dumb. Sorry. If you’re going bring Benz into the folks with full size SUVs like the Lexus and Lincoln, then you have to bring up the GLS. I’m guessing there is a good reason why you didn’t though. Let me help you.

Maybe you should look at this first. There was “only” a $25K price difference between them brand new so I don’t know where in the hell you got this “they were the same price” BS from. That literally kills your entire argument there. The Benz is even easier to dismiss since it is a low volume vehicle. Hell, the discontinued Chevrolet SS sedan used prices sell around original MSRP for the same reason. It was a low volume production car. F that G-Wagen. You are still missing the point. A three year old Ford is still selling at or near its original MSRP and the value is still going up (much like that 4 Runner you can’t source properly), hardly this big drop bull$h! you keep throwing around about Fords and Lincoln’s. Btw, the volume model is the SE.

In an effort to get this back on track, I am just going to leave this little Tesla Y vs Ford Mustang Mach-E article right here. Go ahead and act like Tesla isn't sweating the competition and remember what's been said here (repeatedly) about their quality that clearly hasn't been fixed after more than a decade in existence for Tesla. People notice stuff like that, you know? https://www.yahoo.com/autos/comparison-test-2021-ford-mustang-110000731.html

BTW @smk4565. The Flex started at $26K in 2019 yet the average price for a three year old CUV that isn't produced anymore is $30K (the 2018 is $28K). Go ahead and sidestep those facts so that you can keep on slamming domestics.

Then your 4 Runner example does not fly because its high value was a direct result of what has happened to EVERY OTHER BRAND out there. That's what you are clearly not getting. You also assuming the term levels in question here without a direct link or comparison. Just pulling stuff out of thin air. Now please read the chart in the link below. Lincoln has been pulling higher 90 increases than Lexus and Mercedes. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/

@smk4565And what goes up must come down. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyalicandri/2021/06/14/used-car-values-are-about-to-crash-car-buyers-brace-for-impact/amp/

You have a reading comprehension problem. My car is six years old and went up in value, not a year ago. Again, this is a trend on ALL cars but some do better than others. Feel free to refer my post at the top of this page. Let me add to that part: The CarGurus tool also lets you see how much the particular model you want has increased in price. So, for instance, the average price of a 2018 Volkswagen Atlas is up 14 percent, while the average price of a 2018 Ford Escape is up 24 percent year over year. That particular Toyota (RAV4 hybrid) is a lower volume model because of it being a hybrid but you knew this already before you decided to slam a domestic ride yet again. Base model RAV4s sure as hell don’t do that. Again, stop the BS routine.

@smk4565 And again, educate yourself. From an article about increased used car prices. Interesting the omission of certain brands here. There are 11 brands in CarGurus' data set that have seen used car prices go up more than 30 percent, year over year. The list is led by Ram (up 40.5 percent), followed by Aston Martin (38.1), Ford (38.7), GMC (37.9), Chevrolet (37.3), Dodge (36.4), VW (35.1), Lincoln (32.9), Toyota (30.5), and Hyundai and Kia (both 30.1).

The exact same thing can be said about your pet brand. In fact, it’s an absolute fact.

Because some folks have more money than sense, if you ask me. I paid $12,800 for my 2015 Flex w/88K miles on it a year and half ago. It has 105K now and I could sell it for $15K private party. It has gone up 15% this year. This is happening with just about every used car out there. That 4Runner is not unique in that.

My main creative "hub", if you will, when I'm not working my other job.

Most of us are talking but when certain self righteous asshats act like they know better than everyone else simply because of a certain car they drive (and the transmission involved), and then tells EVERYONE ELSE that they are full of $h! and excuses, I take exception because clearly that particular person doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. My "niceness" ends right there.

I think you need to stop assuming things about people and their habits. I grew up on manuals and spent the first twenty years (after I was legal to drive at 16 in 1988) driving nothing but manuals, from a busted ‘81 Chevette to a (at the time almost new) ‘94 RX-7 and everything in between. Even after that, I have driven everything from a 2018 Corvette Z06, with a 7 speed manual, on down. I haven’t owned a stick in over a decade now but it was personal choice and had jack $h! to do with driving enthusiasm or lack thereof. STOP ASSUMING $h!, is the point here. Save your lofty standards for another site where they don’t mind the condescending tone of your posts. Again, assuming $h! you haven’t the faintest clue over.

Agreed on the Continental. It’s problem is that it was about five years late to the game, when people were still slightly more interested in sedans. The car itself was not a failure, anymore so than the dozens of German models that have come and gone in the last twenty years alone.

How in the Sam hell did we go from Lincoln to MB vans? Lincoln. That’s the subject here. If he wants to continue his stupid defense of German vans, let him start his own thread (which is something I’ve never seen him do regarding his pet brand). It is the same wash, rinse, repeat nonsense with him and his blind fanboy love of all things German. He hasn’t learned a damn thing here and has never cared to learn anything that may put his pet brand in a negative light. Quite honestly, F him at this point (and yes I made it personal. Sue me). Lincoln BEVs: Anything else to add here? BTW @smk4565-Sales does not equate to world class. Rolls Royce and Bentley both sell far less than the numbers you posted above. By your fanboy logic, they are not world class either. There. Done.

Of course it doesn’t bother you. Why else would spend a page defending it even after denying the practice of them selling vans beside their cars existed in the first place? Sell that bull$h! to someone else.

Plenty of folks gave the Germans a free pass on decades of automotive $h!. Lincoln can do it too.

Don’t worry. As it was already pointed out to you, 75% of them do. But I thought this was the best or nothing? They are not supposed to be like GM and Chevy. This is a luxury make selling work vans on the same lot, a pass you sure as $h! would not let Cadillac have if Chevy Sparks were sold right next to Escalades. Save the fake outrage and “who cares” defense because clearly you did care, as evidenced by your nonstop defense of an obvious lie.

And that has zero bearing on whether the EQS will sell well. ZERO bearing. BTW, they would have a bigger base if it was a CUV/SUV instead of a sedan that already looks ten years old on the outside. And preaching the $100K defense rings a little hollow when the ATP is, again, lower than Cadillac and their one $100K model. Yet you were just on here acting like it was only a minority of dealers doing this. How’d that blond assumption work out for you? Sorry but your entire defense of them while trolling yet another domestic thread is just old, dumb, and full of basic lies. Just sit this one out.

Your denial is astounding. For the record, all three Phoenix AZ dealerships sell vans right alongside their “luxury” cars. The one in my hometown in NC also sells them side by side.

And lets just skip the part where NASCAR drivers don’t even have to use the clutch pedal to shift. Not exactly “old school” driving there, much like the sequential ones touted are “old school” manuals. If it doesn’t involved BOTH the left foot and the right hand to shift, then it’s not a true manual IMO.

If it is so much faster than a automatic, then why did Formula 1 remove full auto transmissions, along with lunch and traction control, almost 15 years ago so that drivers would not have an unfair advantage? Clearly someone thought having an automatic had an advantage.

I want the Zephyr to succeed but history does not suggest it, is my concern here. Ev or not, luxury folks just won't give the domestics a second look when comes to sedans, outside of the Tesla cult. That could change and I hope it does but I just don't see it currently.

Outside of the Zephyr, Lincoln seems to have a good plan together and they will need to hit all the marks because it is a big gamble given their current “volume”. Now is the time to do it though because they have shown that they are finally ready to get serious again about the luxury market, with strong offerings like the new Navigator and the Aviator.

Yet you seem to think the EQS SEDAN will sell well because….