FUTURE_OF_GM

Doesn't matter, they've been propped up by their governments and our government AND our industry for years now. But, I see your point... americans are too stupid and lazy to get the whole story.

Sure they can... It all depends on the scope of the brand. VW does this nicely in Europe.

I'm pretty sure GM held a 20% stake in Subaru. (Or maybe I'm thinking of Fiat)

So, they're either going to let Detroit die or force them to kill themselves by downsizing?

They started hating Detroit a few years ago when the big whigs got in good with Toyota and got free Priuses for a year. That's how Toyota does all of their media 'conquests' They befriend them, then make the relationship reciprocal. Said 'conquest' then feels obligated to take up the cause. Just curious; did Detroit ever deny these people a manufacturing facility or something?

Wouldn't Ford have 5? Which are also paired with other franchises, mostly GMC and Buick, so what would be the point? So... Saturn has an all new line up, yet Pontiac has a bunch of outdated cars and Chevrolet clones and sales are down roughly the same amount at each division?!?! Gee, that's a hard decision to make. But it's a logical decision and we all know that GM doesn't do too well with those. REPEAT AFTER ME: BLACK HOLE.... CUT THE LOSSES.... SEND ALL OF THE FUTURE SAAB PRODUCTS TO SATURN

This is pretty status quo... From what I understand, GM regularly re-assesses the value of it's divisions. And you'd better believe they're probably running assessments on all of the brands except Chevrolet and Cadillac right now. Hell, they might even be assessing the viability of Cadillac. After all, it's not exactly a huge success. If I had to choose I'd eliminate divisions in this order: 1st Hummer 2nd Saab 3rd Saturn 4th Pontiac I guess the current idea is to have Chevrolet as the volume division, Buick/GMC as the mid level franchise and Cadillac as the global luxury player. I don't really see the point of Saturn being on that list since it is essentially Opel. But then again, Buick could easily BECOME Opel in the future. I really pray that GM isn't going to close any of it's equitable and historic divisions.

Pretty much the whole country wants the industry to fail... I say, we give them what they want. 10% unemployment. 3.5 million without jobs. No manufacturing for defense. and BILLIONS in pension & re-education costs. Then we'll see if their opinion changes.

Nah... We all know that this generation gets it's news from The Daily Show.

With is why I've been here on C&G preaching for 8 years now... But, then again, I'm "just an idiot with a keyboard".

That's just it. 99% of americans are too f*cking stupid to realize that the 3 CEOs aren't the only employees of the big 3.

+1 For the corporations to not partake in this is both plainly stupid and political/public relations suicide. I can just see some smart ass congressman grilling them about why they think the companies should be saved if they're not even joining the grassroots efforts to save them. And BTW, f*ck Jason Vines. The idea came from this website.

+1

The voice of reason

Flex Fuels wouldn't be if the government would build a damn infrastructure. But, it doesn't matter anyway... I'm sure the press will find something more trivial and stupid to focus their negativity on. "Rick Wagoner, GM CEO, parallel parks in a 30 minute parking zone for a FULL 2 HOURS!!!!!" Oh teh Nooz!!! GM should be kil1ed now !!!1111!!!

Then you can have access to all the counterfeit money your heart desires!

CTS has huge rebel pretensions anyway. The way the car was/is marketed and the fact that the german and japanese are the norm.

Mini is not a rebel brand at all. Mini is a midlife crisis/yuppie brand. Hell, BMW is more of a rebel than Mini.

EXCELLENT READ!

That was my point and guess who's coming along for the ride (against their will) Kinda like a $5 hooker that you pick up and shove in the trunk. (To use a variation on your words) What was that about GME being a profitable business that was successful and moving away from GMNA again?

Sounds like a bunch of hot air and bull$h! to me... It's all about keeping the elite, elite and the working man poor. Detroit does nothing for Washington, so Washington will not look out for its interests. In fact, Washington values the transplants more because of the $$$ they can bring to the pockets of the officials. This is america, without money or credit, you're S.O.L. Add to that the media tirade against Detroit (Just as I predicted, the media is influencing politicians when it should be the other way around) It's funny that they mention the size and scope of Citi as if GM doesn't enjoy that same status. And I also find it ironic that the reason given is that they're trying to preserve a place to put the cash at the expense of an industry that generates the cash in the first place. Go ahead and knock out the rest of the working class, Congress. Then see where your 'banks' stand then. It's a very simple concept, a country that doesn't make things and accumulate wealth by selling them will not build wealth or store wealth. Common sense 101, but I guess Congress' collective head is to far up it's own ass to see the light.

Forgot about the Vue did we?

And that's exactly what they want (or wanted) Politicians WANT you to be too busy to be active in politics. After all, one wrong vote by us and it could mean the end of their career, right?

You're leaning to far into the facts and not enough into the market. We're talking about IMAGE, not specs. The Lexus ES isn't anymore classy than a Camry, yet it has a much better perceived image on the street. It's all about what the brand conveys. And we couldn't build a rebellious image around that?!?! Hell, Scion is the one brand on the market that targets 'rebels' now. I don't see monsters, heavy metals or demons in other car commercials.

Maybe economy performance.