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The above non-GM concepts all deserve to be built, they look great. The Messenger reminds me a bit of an Olds though in the front end (am I dreaming? It reminds me of something...). The Lincolns are sooo damn gorgeous. The Zephyr concept looks so production-ready... the lower bumper details, front and rear, look great. The taillamps look... Lincoln. The production car's tails look... Volvo. I like the roadster's retro, signature Lincoln front end. I hope it appears on the production Aviator, as on the concept, and spreads to all Lincolns. Come on Ford, you've got to move fast to save Lincoln... your oldest luxury brand! I'd sell off either Volvo, Jaguar or Aston Martin and shore up your legacy... Ford, Mercury, Lincoln.

I hate the tan interior on the new Civic. It is too yellow for me. I also don't think the dash is very attractive. The gray and black interiors are less offensive. I would choose gray.

OMG, are those cat pictures real? Who would do that to their pussy? That's pretty darn cruel and unusual! (dart swinger, it was a joke, sir. no "guess the pecker" thread any time soon. at least on this board.) :)

Dear yellow dart swinger: I think a "fast backlight" is a term having to do with the angle of the back glass. For example, a "fastback" is, as you know, closer to horizontal than vertical. That is what they're referring to, sir.

I get to drive just about every reasonable make of car in my line of work. Yesterday I drove an '01 Corolla with power windows that were so clunky (we have to operate all of the systems when we check in a car for collision repair to make sure the customer doesn't say "YOU BROKE IT!" when they get it back) it was unbelievable. I have driven Hondas that were smooth, and I have driven Hondas (late 90's Accord) that the whole dash vibrated at idle, and it got worse when the A/C was turned on. Yesterday I drove a '95 Cutlass Ciera wagon that felt as solid as new (93k miles) except someone ran into the back of it and totalled it. It was still able to lay rubber! (I don't normally drive a customer's car like that, but since it was totalled, I figured wth). I drove a '97 318i with 142,000 miles, and it felt pretty good, but then I've driven BMWs that felt like they were falling apart with much fewer miles. Working with cars every day, and seeing them wrecked, taken apart, and put back together, I can tell you you can get a good or bad anything. I prefer GM for ease of repair. Honda is my favorite Asian brand. VWs can be a nightmare to fix. PT Cruisers have a complicated front inner structure that is a nightmare to repair because so many pieces of sheetmetal overlap one another. Toyotas ain't all that when they get miles on them. They fall apart too. They're all man made, so they cannot be perfect.

A set of those BFGs would look great on my truck... 31x10.50. I think I'd go with the All Terrain T/A though, still aggressive, but not quite as knobby as b&b's.

Ok everyone over 18, send me some pictures, and I'll post a "GUESS THE PECKER" thread. C'mon, it'll be fun! :metal: :bs:

Vienna sausages, all cute, stuffed in a can standing up. BANANAS! SUMMER SAUSAGE! DILL PICKLES! KIELBASA!!! :P

Thanks! :)

We have a Matrix in the shop right now, rebuilding the right front structure after an accident. With the engine and front suspension out, bumper, fenders and hood off and the internal front structure welded up and replaced... I can literally move the entire front end back and forth by hand by grabbing the frame rail. That would scare the hell out of me. I could literally bend the apron piece where the suspension strut bolts up with one finger. :o

I could certainly do without the side cladding and that spoiler... :rolleyes: don't get me stodded! Plus the fuel mileage estimates are just too much of a trade-off for me. A lower ride height, a deeper front valance, different grille texture, nice wide tires with killer rims, a chrome exhaust tip exiting behind each rear wheel and subtle badging is all I need. Oh... and repsonsible hosspowuh! I am a total mess. Today I was daydreaming about a GMT 900 Silverado 2WD regular cab 2LT, tastefully lowered, with the hottest V8, 20 inch rims and a Magnaflow cat-back exhaust. In some amazing blue or green color with a nice tan split bench interior. What a practical toy that would be! GM trucks rule! :wub:

I see no harm in keeping the Pledge intact. "God" takes many forms. Leftists should chill. We all should chill, maybe have a little glass of merlot. :)

Maybe they want to protect the drunk dudes from themselves. And perhaps they want to protect their city's rep where tourists are concerned. I agree about the marijuana thing vis-a-vis alcohol and nicotine.

For a brief second today, my world erupted in to a supernova... dark silver (Sly?) Solstice... top down.

Just to show I'm not that predictable... :ph34r: http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons//AH-HA_wink.gif

Question for the group: how many 20+ year old Asian cars do you see on the road? Answer: not many. They all rusted into the ground, or were so expensive to fix they were instead junked. As crappy as those 80's GM cars may have been, there are many of them still out there running every day. I'd be willing to bet a higher percentage of 20 year old GM cars sold are still on the road than the Asian brands.

I think that rear window spoiler/CHMSL is fooling everyone into thinking the D pillar applique is "taller" than the back glass. That spoiler is hanging over the glass, without it, the glass would go all the way up, even with the top of the applique.

Hmm... if the sporty car division of BPG reverts to stacked headlights for its next new face, they'll fit right in. Anoyone know if Pontiac is toying with returning to stacked headlights for the future?

Not as much exterior differentiation between the regular Yukon and Denali this time, it looks like grille texture, side moldings, taillights and roof rails, along with possibly wheels. The current Denali has completely different front lights, grille shape, and front bumper. It looks clean, and I expect it to grow on me. I want to see it in person. So far, I prefer the sportier Tahoe.

Jeez, even the livestock have chauffeurs in Hollywood. :rolleyes:

Pity poor Vipes if he'd been riding in any of the millions upon millions of cars made over many decades with gas tanks behind the axle. For example, a 1964-1983 Chevy Malibu. If he backed into a deer in one of those, man, it'd be like July 4th... http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons//AH-HA_wink.gif

Well, the fuel tanks on those cars were located under the trunk floor to the left of the spare tire well. The spare was stored kind of standing up on the right side of the trunk. The sources I went to with Croc's prodding mentioned some of the other A/G bodies briefly. The articles mostly indict all cars with fuel tanks located just ahead of the rear bumper, a standard location for decades. One of the lawyers in the Malibu case also represented plaintiffs in the Ford Pinto case. I'd be interested in seeing some published dimensions of those GM cars. I wouldn't think there'd be that much of a difference in rear overhangs between a Malibu, and, say, a Century or Cutlass fastback or LeMans. I could maybe see a slight difference between a Malibu and a Monte Carlo or Grand Prix... not enough to keep the car from exploding after being hit at 50 mph by some drunk ass punk.

The cars debuted in 1978. The fuel tank location was shared among all divisions. The fuel tank remained in the same place until production stopped on the A/G bodies in 1988. The fuel filler was behind the license plate on coupes and sedans, on the quarter panel for El Camino and wagons.

What in the world are you talking about, Croc? <_<

You got off easy, Vipes. The highest repair bill I can remember from a deer hit: $11,000 on a Sedan DeVille involving the front end and replacing the roof and windshield.