Camino LS6

The potential? Much bigger than that of Saturn. The rest of your post is just sweeping generalizations with an urban bias. You don't think a Pontiac "Mini" would sell? Or a Pontiac "3 series"? Or an e-flex sportscar? Performance can come in many forms, but at GM, it should come from Pontiac.

First of all, no I would not be happy with FWD clones as the new Pontiac lineup. Second, I still believe that killing any brands other than Saab (for the NA market) and Hummer (selling it off) isn't a good answer. That goes for Saturn as well. My point is that it never should have existed in the first place, and that the premise which created it was deeply flawed. If, However, any current brand other than Hummer and Saab were to go away then Saturn would be the right one to go. Pontiac still has two cars that meet the criteria the brand should be following (G8 and Solstice) with two new G8 variants and a new Solstice variant yet to come - so the value is still there at the moment. Add in a Mini competitor (a real one with style), and an Alpha lineup while dumping the G5 ,G3, and Vibe then I'll be happy.

Glad to hear that you are ok, lots of folks didn't fare so well. and, @ Ocn's comment.

...how will that affect your relationship with GM as a whole? For me, it will mean a near total loss of interest in the company as a whole. All of my life I have watched GM kill anything of interest just when they finally get it right. What I'll be left with is old GM cars and possibly an occasional Chevy that I'll be interested in. Otherwise, GM will already be dead to me.

No contest: M3.

In that case GM is doomed by their own foolishness and it will be tick-tock for the whole shebang soon enough.

Even if GM (in their seemingly infinite capacity to be foolish) turns Pontiac into an all small FWD clone division, it would still be the better bet than Saturn.

...and shrink the customer base massively. I don't think they'll be too happy about that.

That might have made Saab less worthless as a North American brand.

You are simply way off of the mark. -Saturn always was and still is an ill-advised, money-losing experiment. -Saturn has a tiny distribution network -The Satopels aren't exactly lighting up the sales charts. -The money wasted on creating Saturn is a huge part of why so many of the products of that time were substandard - Saturn ate their budgets. Billions were wasted creating Saturn. - Saturn has never, and likely will never, offer GM a return on the massive investment GM has repeatedly put into it. Those are facts. Don't believe me? Ask PCS! My position on this is not based on emotion as you charge. If any brand should be starved out of existence, it should be Saturn. And If we must have some opels here, they should have been Buicks and Maybe a Pontiac.

An extra helping of crow for GXT.

Pacific Slate is still my lead contender for the ST.

And a better car than Saab and Saturn have ever had. Saab is useless in North America and Saturn is nothing but a classic case of throwing good money after bad. Saturn is, was, and always will be GM's worst mistake. It has cost us Oldsmobile, and if this current "plan" is followed, it may cost us Pontiac as well. Saturn is a boat anchor dragging GM down.

The Enclave has the success and popularity to maintain it at Buick, of all of the Lambdas it should be the one automatically continued. With that said, Lambda isn't a good fit at Cadillac IMO.

This is one of those rare times when we agree completely.

Five Lambdas is at least two too many. Saw a Traverse at a local dealer the other day, looks just as porky as the rest on this platform.

I have heard nothing but bad things about that particular chain of dealerships. It might be a case of "good riddance" for GM in the long run, but it certainly makes for an unpleasant headline.

Wow! Way to make me queasy

The HX could have been beyond huge, that is the one thing I see as a real loss here.

I might quibble on some details, but a very nice set of parameters to work with.

Overall, I'm not happy with the Pontiac plan. The Caddy plan is spot on. Chevy is a bit light on models (cars) Buick is close to perfect. ( I'd change a few things). Saturn needs some tweaking ( I'd Change the SKY quite a bit) Saab I just don't really care about. GMC is really good, but needs a bit more focus. ( I have always had trouble with the mix of "professional grade" and "upscale" trucks being part of one image).

I like the "bones" of this structure, but I would flesh it out differently.

I'll have to think this one over. Initial reaction: mostly positive.

I can find nothing to disagree with here, there is a clear focus and mission statement for each brand in your outline. It is a concise and focused plan which sets the agenda on the right road. My only addition would be that it is critical that once such a plan is adopted that GM stick to it firmly. That is something that they have failed to do over and over again. Well done, FOG! On to part two...