Drew Dowdell

For the people arriving late....

Josh is TEH SHELVED!!!

How big would you guess that it is Chris? It looks longer than the 'Bu.

Trailer queen Tundra being pulled by a real truck

This isn't to favor one candidate over the other. This is about the zingers that some candidate can sling. Ron Paul has had some great ones also, I just haven't found them on Youtube yet.

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Step 1: Crush the cars as soon as they come out of the plant Step 2: ???? Step 3: Profit!

Someone removed the insert. The inserts are removable and can go right into the dishwasher.

With this election season already well underway some of the candidates say awesome things regardless of what you think of their political views..... Last night Hilary got Obampwned

Oh, you mean like when Car and Driver tested the 3-series against the G35, CTS, and some others... and the BMW broke down on them 3 times; one of which was an ABS system failure which sent them into a spin.... but it still took 1st place and they still sung it's praises.....

I just tried the dual zone in the Cadillac on a run out to the store. Set my side to 70 and the passenger side to 80. There was no difference in the air coming out of the vents and the engine was at operating temp.

No, you're still crazy. You just happened to be right about the NAV. The harddrive based NAV systems will have a much longer useful life though as they can be upgraded much easier.

Cell phones actually serve a useful purpose. Dual zone climate control does not. I have dual zone on both of my vehicles and it doesn't make a difference at all when the dials are set differently. I always set both at the same time because seeing the numbers not match drives me batty. What you're basically saying is that Chevy could put a dial in the Malibu that does nothing <which is essentially the same as dual zone> and suddenly it's that much better.... I'm more concerned with GM being number 1 in profitability. In fact, I'm willing to cede the number 1 spot in sales to Toyota for a few years if they're going to keep putting out products like the Tundra, Camry, Avalon, and Corolla.

The current Lacross needs to die. If the new Epsilon Lacross doesn't have NAV... then I'll be pissed.

Yes, there is more to it than just those features. But those features should be reserved for the premium price classes.

I'm not insinuating that. I think it's a host of things that people get their panties in a bunch about. Bluetooth, Nav, heated seats, dual zone, XM, DOHC, RWD..... remember there is a Zeta Impala coming out soon (we hope) and with how big the Malibu is now there is going to HAVE to be something other than the smallish size difference to justify it. If the Malibu were designed by a committee of C&G members, it would end up being a hydrogen power 7-series with every electronic gizmo known to man, yet base under 20k. and somehow GM would have to make a profit on it.

don't tease :AH-HA_wink:

And what does Toyota not have? Pontiac, Saturn, Saab, and Buick. What you're really pushing for is the elimination of the non "C" brands.

But not in the same class for cheaper than the Malibu. Keep in mind that you're going to pay $24k for a Mazda 3 with Nav, leather, etc.

If Honda were offering NAV in a $24,000 Accord, I'd say no. However, NAV only comes on the most loaded models that reach well into Buick*, Saab, and even Cadillac territory. You said it yourself, only 10% of your inventory had NAV. Not having NAV increases the value of Buick, Saab and Cadillac. If someone gives up a Malibu and goes and buys a $32k Altima, that's their own problem for not visiting Buick, Saab, or even Lincoln. *where Buick should be.

That is Buick, Saturn, and Pontiac's and over all GM's problem, not Chevy's. Fix those other brands and this issue goes away.

Wow... imagine that.

I don't accept that GM made a mistake because I don't accept the idea of homogenization of the brands. I'll buy into your idea as long as you buy into the idea that GM will have to kill Pontiac, Buick, Saturn, and Saab to do it. You basically want a Malibu, Malibu Lux, Malibu SE, and Malibu EU. All the epsilons start within 6k of each other. Just ditch the other brands. You cannot tell me that people only buy the ES330 because it has a L on the hood and they completely ignore the other options.

GM MAKES MORE THAN ONE CAR TO COVER THIS! THE MALIBU DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY! You guys are saying that I'M stuck in old school GM think. It's YOU guys who are stuck in that mindset. You want every epsilon to have Nav, Bluetooth,get the same engines, etc. etc. etc. you want their option sheets too look identical and only the front and rear fascias be different! Congrats people! If you get your way it will be the 1977 B-bodies all over again. Shesh, even the W-bodies had more differentiation than what you guys want.

My first two paragraphs ARE relevant. You want GM to produce a car that it basically won't be able to sell! If Honda, Nissan, and Toyota only move a small number of cars configured this way, how well do you think Chevy is going to do? Honda and Toyota at least have built in lifers who would buy a giant cow turd on wheels as long as it had the proper badge on the front. I care more about GM making a profit than being a volume leader. If you want NAV that bad, you can still visit your Saab dealer and get a car on the same platform with NAV for 30k. It's not like GM doesn't sell something that covers what you want. If you were making this argument about the Aura, Lacross, or even maybe a redesigned G6, I'd support it. GM has no less than 4 other vehicles that *should* have these options for any flavor you like <euro, sport, luxury,american>. Edit: The cheapest Accord with NAV is $27,895 for a 4cylinder/5-speed. Cheapest V6 is $30,895. The cheapest Altima is a V6 with 5-speed for $31,805, BUT you get cloth interior, no sunroof, no heated seats, no XM, no Homelink, no Bluetooth, no duel zone climate control. You can get a Saab 9-3 Turbo with every option box checked and STILL come in cheaper than the Altima.