Drew Dowdell

Complete wrong. Overdrive means that in the top gear <top two for 6-speeds>, the engine is turning at a slower RPM then the drive shaft. For example, for every .90 turns of the crankshaft the driveshaft makes one full turn. Generally, this is for cruising and the engine is near the lowest point on it's powerband. This is how the Corvette acheives 28mpg at 60 because it loafs along at 1700rpm in 6th. To pass a person, the transmission or driver must shift out of overdrive to bring the engine back into the heart of it's powerband. This is where you get your acceleration. That the Ford 500 hunts for gears is troublesome to me. Is this the same 6-speed GM intends to use? I know GM and Ford were supposed to have a partnership on a 6-speed. I always hated how the Sable would hunt for gears when I would borrow my ex-BF's mother's car.

What are they replacing it with? The killer of that 200hp 188ft/lbs torque is that you have to spin the engine to 5800rpm and 4850rpm respectively to get that. With the 3800 you got 225 ft/lbs at 4,000 RPM, and a substantial amount of that was available at 2000 rpm. Don't compair HP per litre. It isn't a convincing argument.... unless you're another one of those that wants to dump the S2000 engine into an LX car. :rolleyes:

overdrive.... not overdrives

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Now... it couldn't be that the Alero sucked gas compaired to his Civic because it was a V-6 rather then a weakling 4?

...uh.... :blink:

Disclaimers: 1. This is only a review of the drivetrain. You all already have your opinions on the interior, etc. 2. I stepped out of my '04 CTS 3.6 auto into the CTS 2.8 manual. This was a direct comparison. 3. I drive my husband's manual transmission Passat regularly, so I'm not a manual newbie. The 2.8 seemed very rough. Noisy in fact. I felt I was in a substantially lesser car then my current CTS. At 80mph it was turning a very loud 3,000 rpm in 6th. Not impressive compaired to my car, and certainly not better then a S/C Riviera that can silently woosh along at 80mph doing about 2200 rpm. The gear shift throws are perfect. I was easily able to hit the gear I wanted. Reverse is in the wrong spot, but I think thats were it ends up on a 6-speed. It's German style, hard left and up. The clutch was waaaaay to sudden. I found it really hard to take off smoothly. Your foot is all the way in, let it out slowly... slowly... then BAM... you're stalled at the light with a semi blaring it's horn at you. I stalled the CTS 4 times on my test drive. The clutch MUST be pushed all the way to the floor.... ALLL the way... before the car will let you engage the starter. 1,2,3 and 4th gears the engine is fine. It's peppy and feels a lot more powerful then it is. 5th and 6th gear and the car magically transforms into Cavalier that hasn't had it's airfilter changed since 1982. Getting up to speed on the highway had my foot completely to the floor... in 4th. In short, I think the CTS is too much car for the 2.8 to haul around... even with a manual.

Oh goodies.... powered by chrysler engines..... does that mean I can have the 2.7 litre Chrysler Hemi-magnum powerhouse die on the Florida Turnpike with 3,000 miles on the clock again!?!?! Oh please let it be so! Seriously, why doesn't anyone ever address the crappiness of the Chrysler engines <not including Hemi> The 4 cylinders make a Quad-4 with no oil look like a swiss watch. The 2.7 is gutless The 3.5 lacks refinement and reliability The 4.0 in the jeeps always have oil leaks I agree that is may be time for the 3800 to die, but it still seems to do it's job better then any V6 Mopar is producing.

The think two of the most laughable police cars I've seen were a Fish generation Taurus and a Plymouth Horizon. There are actually some 92ish Bonneville SSEIEI-OHs around here doing police duty. They're mostly relegated to parking enforcement but by the looks of them, they were once full blown patrol/persuit cars. Almost all of the cop cars around here are Impalas. There are some Intrepids, but I'm seeing less and less Crown Vics. Edit: And I haven't seen Pittsburgh's Plymouth Horizon patrol car in a while, but it was in service as recently as two years ago.

*passes around the "german is best" koolaid" Ooooh... ahhh.... TEH BEST DEZING EVAR!!!!!#$!!!

and I keep buying GM stock.....it's so cheap now, even if it never goes up in price, the dividends are worth it.

I had a Stratus I4 when my Cutlass was in for brake work that the dealer f-ed up the first time. I was so glad to get my Cutty back. The Stratus was a "Neon del Grande". Sadly, the one time I was renting a 300M I felt the same way. The interior looked quite similar.

LOL!!!

The Electra name should be saved for a trim level to designate Hybrid. Person 1: "I have a Toyota Camry Hybrid" Person 2: "I have a Buick LaCross Electra" Person 1: "Ooooh Aaaah" The Lucerne would have made a good Invicta. My question about the Nav system would be... the DTS has it now, why couldn't the Lucerne with virtually identical interior also have it now?

Just a rehash of this:

The LH cars are known for blowing trannys........ uhm... that didn't come out right. :unsure: Sing it sista!

Not a Skyhawk: 1. too big 2. look at the rear quarter windows. They match the pic of the Century, not the pic of the Skyhawk.

Lets give it a try 68. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fine: 1990 Lincoln Town Car 1979 Buick Riviera S 1977 Chevrolet Caprice 1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen/Plymouth Volare 1970 Ford Torino I'll venture to guess that the 1991 Caprice is still tighter then any of those listed above. Face it, the Caprice was a good car. It was reliable, durable <see the Jay Leno video>, relatively efficient with the 5.0, police and taxi cab drivers loved them. Just because it doesn't handle the way you like doesn't mean it doesn't deserve COTY. The Civic handles NOTHING like I would like. Based on ride and handling the DTS or Lucerne would have been my pic.

Actually that design was originally planned to be the next Eagle Vision till that division got axed.

No, the Vega was the worst COTY. The B-body Caprice was a good car when not equiped with the 4.3 litre. The 300M was COTY and it was just a downsized LHS. 1995 was the Chrysler Cirrus 1983 was the AMC/Renault Alliance 1981 was the Dodge Aries/Plymouth Reliant 1980 was the Chevy Citation 1976 was the Dodge Aspen/Plymouth Volare' 1975 was the Chevy Monza Certianly you can find ONE of those on the list to pick as worst COTY ever over the Caprice. Oh yeah, and since sport is such a BIG consideration for COTY: 2004 Toyota Prius* *not saying it wasn't worthy of COTY, it is, but it isn't sporty as has been suggested the COTY should be.

It's a Century with some burned out bulbs.

What? Where are the AMC sales?

Inline 6 engines are mathmatically the smoothest engines possible this side of a V-12. A nice I6 for the premium engine in the Sky or the base engine in the Kappa Caddy would be great.

It would be "Was ist das!?!?!"