Sixty8panther

VS: Happy B-day buddy. I agree with everything that is being said in this thread..... except for the supposed "need" to drop the 3800 engines. I personally think it's one pf the greatest engines ever made and there's a reason it was voted one of the top ten engines of the 20th century. The 3800, like the smallblock Chevy, should never die. If it aint broke, don;t fix it! Perhaps a revision or update would be nice but not a phaze out. Not unless we start phazing out internal combustion all togeather.

You're making my heart skip beats. I'm with Turbo... '69 Camaros ARE perfect. :)

The Solstice needs only one modification: DOUBLE production cause this baby will resurect Pontiac like the Vette woke up Chevy in the mid 50s. Is it perfect? NO, far from it... but it makes a car that is considered to have defined a niche (Miata MX5) look like crap. Mazda is probably going WTF just happened here? WE OWNED this segement and after the assault by BMW Z3/Benz SLK/Audi TT & Toyota MR-S it's PONTIAC that kisks our ass?

I can't imagine having my Camaro get done over by one of these shows... either it would be like WTF? Shagg Carpeting & a disco ball are you motherf***ers on crack!?!?! or it might be a pleasant surprise: 572 crate motor and a 6-speed with a gear vendors kit good for 0-100mph in 10 sec. AND 200+mph. How sweet. I'm buying you all a cup of coffee! :wub: :P

Just watched the movie Crash today on 'OnDemand'. Anyone else seen it? Waht did you think? I think every person in America should see that movie at least once. The only thing I did not like about it (minor complaint) is it had a very subtle anti-gun overtone.

I would and could respond to that without holding back... but seeing as how my warning level was 60% yesterday and now it's 80% it seems once again that some mod/admin thinks I'm the asshole. Whatever. Not that I got a PM about why or when or anything. Just all of a sudden I'm up to 80% as if I was the one who posted that blowjob video. There's a lot of hypocracy on this forum. <_< BV: your type of joking around is derogatory and insulting. Stop hiding behind the "I was only kidding" card. You can't insult people and then go into triades about your beliefs while insulting again. Keep "rednecks" out of it... besides I could quote you on several of your habits/beliefs that would fit that stereotype better than I ever will. nuf said.

LS: Hello Buddy great ot have you back... hope all is well. :) Moltar: I think I shat myslef from laughing so damn hard at Adam West clip... effin awsome. LOL Jumping Jehovah Robin, I have to go change my underwear! :P

Corvette: sports car. two seater, available as a ragtop and very sleek styling wiht small proportioins. Massive weight to power ratio, RWD and manual trans offered: SPORS car. Camaro: Not really a sports car. Not in the traditional sense. I would never call it a sports car like a Lotus Elise, Corvette or Ferrari but if in todays world a FWD Eclipse or V6-auto Mustang are sports cars than som is the Camaro. IN my own definition the Camaro is a sporty coupe. Or more correctly it would be classified as a Grand Turismo 2+2. Even that's tought to judge depending on the definition and generation. Like in 1968 my Camaro left the factory wiht a 327, auto trans and four passanger capacity: definately a GT/2+2 in that era, but even in those years ads called the Camaro/Vette "two Chevrolet sports cars" I guess if pressed by a layman I'd say my Camaro (first gen) was a "sporty hardtop coupe".

Me and you will get along nicely. :) This kind of mentality needs to be corrected on a national level. NOw that I got rid of the Brougham I might buy a winter beater... I flipped through the Want Ad today and threre's a super cheap 80s Diesel Mercedes wiht 280K miles I'd love to pick up for the winter. :D Cheap on gas and a GAS to drive. I can just see myself ice racing that B!tch with studded tires. Boo-yeah!!!

1. Toyota Echo (trying very hard to look like a Jaguar) 2. Acura TL/euro Accord - front is cool as is the profile but the ass is hideous. 3. Gross beast that was once a new style Maxima. Are those DeVille tail lights? :huh: 4. NIssan Sentra trying to look like a Jag/Rover/Rolls 5. last gen M45 Infiniti. Nissan Gloria in Japan IIRC. 6. no clue... though my gut says Honda 200 but I know taht's not it. You know some of these are really fugly but I'd still rather drive some crazy custom like this instead of typical USA Rice. There's a certain charm to the concept of classic stying wiht modern mechanicals. Many a business idea I have is centered around this concept. It's just that the excecution in this case is a bit lame. EDIT: I sais TL but I mean TSX... LA is right. I stil call the tsx the TL. :P

yup. it's a classic. as much as you piss me off BV that sig is nice. :)

Wow... I ahve to admit even I was very skeptical of you actually going all out and spending big money to customize/tune/upgrade a V6 Camaro... however this seems like acool combo. When you're done you should be able to get your car into at least one magazine if you take good photos. 95% of the time I would not spend any money upgrading a I6/V6 Camaro but if you're going to do it might as well be one of the best engines of all time. The 3800 kicks ass stock anyway, it really does feel like a Tunned Port 305 from the 80s. LIke I told you before NOS, I almost bought a '02 Camaro once with a 3800. It was a stripped out car... I mean NOTHING for options. Not power windows, or t-tops or even power locks. Base-base base. And I liked that way... weight savings is cool. Besides it was a manual which saves a few more pounds and I prefer. (5-speed not the 6 that comes wiht the Lt1/LS1) Say, that would be the icing on an already really cool cake: 6-speed trans conversion. Anyway cool stuff... send us pics of that rear end swap. Who's doing it for you?

Quick history lesson BV: Perhaps you are refering to Camaros being drag raced... is that redneck-ish? So I guess the Corvette Z06 is a redneck heap too since it was enginered so well it can pull off massive burnouts like a champ. The 1st gen. Camaro and Firebird were raced in the Trans Am 5.0 liter class. MOst of their development in terms of chassis and drivetrain/suspension durrability was geared towards this end with the old school "win-on-sunday-sell-on-monday" philosophy. They kicked ass and as a result the names Firebird Trans Am and Z/28 are now legendary. I'm pretty sure no one on this board would say that 60s Trans Am racing is a redneck sport. Quite the opposite. People like Smokey Yunick, Penske, Donahue and amny others convinced the world that the Camaro was a worthy sports car. These race cars were not much more than showroom stock chassis with roll, cages and race modifications. ...which brings me to my second point, this FWD car that you posted those FWD burnouts of was raced in a "redneck" sport even though it shares NOTHING with the actual race car other than a few emblems/decals. I guess maybe the fact that both are pushrod powered counts as a similarity. :rolleyes: Persoanlly I don't use derogatory names like Redneck in a demeaning way unless instigated but I do think modern NASCAR sucks.

Almost every car salesman I know who has/had a flip phone has damaged or broken thre hinge at least ONCE. NOt everyone works in a cushy office... try running around a construction site or even an asphalt parking lot all day.

Ooooookay. :blink: Anywho... PLenty of engineers will tell you that F-bodys were tested by the R&D teams and at the proving grounds with many a burnout. That's why V8 poewred '68 Caamros have multy-leaf springs unlike the '67 M.Y. after an employe working on the axle hop problem by buring out with a development car.

He he. I'm one of the obsessed nerds staring at a dashboard & gauge cluster for a '62 Caddy and thinking about buying it if only so I can get the rest of the car later. :P

Whose car is that Blathy? BTW someone get that roadmaster a matchign bumper cover.

Fly: How is that '69 Camaro pointless? <_< That's one of the most sought after classic cars of all time. How about a '59 Electra 225, '62 Ferarri GTO, '97 McLaren F1, '67 Porsche 911 & '70 Olds 442 all pointless and or lame cause they're RWD and I mention them often? :huh:

First gen all around is the right way to go IMHO. The 2nd gen nose does not work with the first gen. body. They're two completely different designs. I hope a 5th gen. really is in the works. :mellow:

My 97 STS, as awsome as it is tends to be a money-pit. I bought that Caddy for $7900 in 2002 and have invested about another $2800 in maintenance... that's including the $650 air ride shock/coilover-strut package from Arnott. I've yet to install it. I hate transverse mounted engines. They suck royaly maintenance wise.

Eh... that link is neat but inducing oversteer with a FWD car is like working on your car with a plumber's wrench, sure it can be done but you should just use the right tool for the job to begin with. With a FWD car the oversteer is pointless, it's not prepelling you around the corner anfy quicker. Sure it looks cool (it does) but it's fairly lame and get's old quick. Not to mention it's less stable and even when you do have it "under control" it's really useless. Now if you have ever seen a World Rally Championship race car (AWD, usually rear wheel biased) powerslide around a 180* corner you can see it's not just cool as hell to look at but it's the quickest way around the corner. That amateur diagram illustrates the superiority of RWD in preformance applications. A car has four wheels, if only two of them are being "driven" then it should be the two that are not streering so that the tire's contact patches are being maximised to power/turn/stop the car. WTH is the point of the rear wheels just "hanging out" in the back in a lateral slide while the fronts strugle to power the car by pulling it's entire mass forward AND simultaneously change direction. I've done a lot of crazy/stupid/extreeme things in both FWD, RWD and AWD cars and I just can't imagine someone actually prefering FWD for a performance application. That's erroneous. A stock FWD car is not meant to butrnout... ever. FWD cars break whenn abused because they ar meant to be practical not sporty. That being said GM has some of the best and most durrable FWD cars unlike all those Hondas with spindley axles and whimpy lightweight internals. RWD cars from GM are equal to or more durrable than any other manufacturer's, money being equal. I'm on this Forum as a hughe GM fanatic because I believe 85% of the time GM has excellent quality.

How about mandatory retesting every 2 years after a person turns 60 years old, every year after 70 and every 6 months after 75. Like Razor mentioned some people loose it very quickly. Although it does seem this guy was just using insanity/senility as an easy way out. How the hell do you surmise that a body lodged in yuor windshield fell from the sky? and you nevre even bother to pull over. :WTF:

yup, Cingular sucks ass. --- what? I haven't said anything for a while. [/bartsimpson] :P I'd rather argue about cars then cell phones. And BTW Croc: if you belong to the KISS school of thought when it comes to cell phones then you would not own a FLIP phone. I prefer to stay away from flip phones as there's another moving component (hinge) that can break. THIS is simple:

:lol: I saw about a dozen of each in the Junkyard today... and about 2 a year on the roads here in N.E.

YEAH!!!! Awsome. Wish when I was a kid I had the balls to just up and ask like that. Law of averages, eventually you get a "yes". :P :ph34r: