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    CES 2023: Ram 1500 Revolution Concept Unveiled

      A Ram battery electric concept for the future direction of the brand.

     

    At the 2023 Consumer Electronics Show, RAM showed their Ram 1500 Revolution battery-electric truck concept. The concept is built on the new Stellantis STLA Frame platform for full-size vehicles. The platform sandwiches the batteries between the frame rails and in this concept features a dual-motor design for all-wheel drive.

    large.1634461922_RAM1500RevolutionCESConcept039.jpgThe concept features four-wheel steering, a powered midgate with powered glass, and a passthrough, even into the frunk, that allows objects up to 18-feet long. The RAM 1500 Revolution is capable of 800-volt DC fast charging to add up to 100 miles of range in 10 minute.

    RAM describes the concept as “brutiful” – brutal yet beautiful, and features their “tuning fork” front grille design with fully animated LED logo. The tuning fork theme follows into the interior.  The interior, while clearly in concept form, shows the direction RAM is heading with their interiors, with more luxury and more sustainable materials.

    RAM says the interior is significantly more spacious (RAM is already at the top of the class for interior room) than their ICE model and in the concept, has flexible seating configurations, including a third row, with seats that can fold flat, have an extended recline, and even have a conference mode.

     

    The production version of this concept is expected to be introduced as the RAM 1500 BEV in 2024.

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    Cool Frunk design, not sure how I feel about the Interior as I do not like the cheap single big glass sheet in the middle of the Tesla. I feel this also is like that.

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    Just now, David said:

    Cool Frunk design, not sure how I feel about the Interior as I do not like the cheap single big glass sheet in the middle of the Tesla. I feel this also is like that.

    It's a concept, so it has the entire set of Star Trek brave-new-worlds inside.

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    Very concept that looks like production is a while away.  I like how the tailgate folds out and has that extension on it, I always thought there should be a tailgate that folds out into a box to extend the bed.

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    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Very concept that looks like production is a while away.  I like how the tailgate folds out and has that extension on it, I always thought there should be a tailgate that folds out into a box to extend the bed.

    Ford has that as an option on the 250 line at least, I'm not sure about the 150.

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    cool video.  cool truck. 

    but when the concept truck becomes functional to actually show us what the crazy concepts shown to us could do, the RAM 1500EV remains vaporware.  

    I know I said Stellantis (PSA Group) has been thinking about and  engineering EV platforms for quite some time and are actually succesful in Europe selling them and we shouldnt be surprised by such a sudden reveal of a RAM 1500 EV but...there was nothing functional on this truck other than the easy mock-up details of a pass through from the bed to the frunk and the seats on rails.  But...even with that, the seats were stationary and the dude couldnt get in and out of the driver's seat very convincingly. He wasnt gracefull and he looked awkward. 

    OK...maybe all the features talked about were actually functional but because there was like only 1 or 2 of these in existance, maybe Stellantis didnt want nothing to break...   

    I dont doubt however, that the features both physical and electrical will be offered and I do think the STLA platform and battery tech is fleshed out and minor tuning will be made and will be available for production soon.  

     

    One thing though, since when using cow hide has now being considered as wasteful and NOT earth friendly and not recycable and not environmentally friendly?

    Using plant based materials such as the apple by-product material for the seats requires just as much farming land as farming cows if we are going to mass produce plants to re-engineer them to become materials to use as clothes or seats...  Also,  greenhouses to produce plants year round in certain areas of the planet require energy...

    ALSO, eating cows and using their hide as clothes has got to be the most basic way of re-using what we eat INTO clothes.  Caveman been doing THAT for THOUSANDS of years.

    Im not some sort of far right nutter or a left wing snowflake, Im just a normal phoquing human being using my phoquing noggin the way humans NEED to use their phoquing noggin but this ultra woke shyte has GOT to stop.  We are going overboard in over-thinking things to the point that eventually we will find fault in breathing air and drinking water...  

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    Another thing

    Although the 'roomba' style robot thingy to drive itself under the truck to find itself the charging point to charge the vehicle sounds neat and all, I think its a waste of energy trying to engineer such a thing and consequently, a waste of money for the developpers to do this and a waste of money for the end user as such a thing will be passed on to the end user JUST to cater to our (human) lazy ways.   

    Talk about shyte that is not good for the environment...  More useless technology that requires useless energy use to manufacture and build and wasted materials to produce such a shytty thing.  Sure, as a driver of such a vehicle, we park it in our garage and a robot charges our vehicle without ANY intervention on the user's part.  Is it sooooo phoquing hard and time consuming to plug the bloody thing in?  The answer is a big fat NO.  

    If we want to save the phoquing planet from being poisoned and eventually killing us, then we MUST end OUR finicky, princess-y ways of living our phgoquing lives.  Using cow hide as seat materials and jackets is NOT detrimental to the planet.  Engineering useless tech like this 'roomba' charging robot, however, is!!! 

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    3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    There's a real one the TFL guys have gotten to be around. 

     

     

    Thank you for posting this, I wish RAM had better prepared the guy to cover the auto with some real demos such as actually changing the configuration of the tailgate. The Driver's seat should have been set for him as with his belly, it was awkward for him to get out. That back seat would not have had that amount of leg space if the driver's seat was set for him. It would still have had space.

    Many cool potential features will be interesting to see what makes it into production. The pass-through space to the Frunk makes me wonder if they paid Bolinger for the right to use it as they had patented it back in 2019.

    Lots of potential features, will be interesting to see the actual Mules and what makes it into production.

    As far as the Vegan versus leather. Make it an option, I see nothing wrong with using real animal hide and want it over some fake stuff.

    I do like what I see for interior space and bed potential. I wonder about the glass roof for those that have had to deal with skin cancer, how do we keep out in strong sunlight states the rays?

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    3 minutes ago, David said:

    I wonder about the glass roof for those that have had to deal with skin cancer, how do we keep out in strong sunlight states the rays?

     

    Just thinking aloud.

    People with skin cancer, do they go outside at all?   Like ever?   If people that are susceptible to skin cancer and live in strong sunlight states like Florida and California, maybe a window roofed vehicle is the least of their cancer related problems and maybe, these folk should take up residence in less sunny areas.  Not to sound cruel or anything, but I dont comprehend the issue you are trying to raise here.   

    @surreal1272 facepalmed me for the same reasons Im asking a qusetion here.  I am open to discussion to explain what it is that made ANYONE facepalm my rant.  Just friendly converstaion I want to partake in. 

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    36 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    @surreal1272 facepalmed me for the same reasons Im asking a qusetion here.  I am open to discussion to explain what it is that made ANYONE facepalm my rant.  Just friendly converstaion I want to partake in. 

    Nothing personal. Just didn't agree with every facet of your post so there really wasn't a need to try and call me out. That is all.

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    1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

    Nothing personal. Just didn't agree with every facet of your post so there really wasn't a need to try and call me out. That is all.

    Im not calling you out.  

    Im asking a question to @David because he raised a concern that I dont understand. 

    I also raised a concern that you evidently dont understand or agree with my rant.

    I asked David to set me straight. You arent asking me to set anything straight, however I am asking you what it is you dont agree with.

    Is it the comment that the concept truck is vaporware?  I found out why that may be.

    Is it the comment/rant about cow hide and plant based alternative materials?

    Is it the caveman thing that caveman ate animals and turned their hides into clothing?

    Is it the last thing I said to which I stated Im not a right wing nutter or left wing whack and that nonsense snowflake shyte has got to stop because sooner or later, we will come to the conclusion that breathing air and drinking water will cause concern for the planet and will look to alternative ways of breathing and drinking? 

    My guess is the last part...  Its sarcastic in nature MEANT to cause controversy.  But yeah.  

     

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    54 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:
    1 hour ago, David said:

    I wonder about the glass roof for those that have had to deal with skin cancer, how do we keep out in strong sunlight states the rays?

     

    Just thinking aloud.

    People with skin cancer, do they go outside at all?   Like ever?   If people that are susceptible to skin cancer and live in strong sunlight states like Florida and California, maybe a window roofed vehicle is the least of their cancer related problems and maybe, these folk should take up residence in less sunny areas.  Not to sound cruel or anything, but I dont comprehend the issue you are trying to raise here. 

    I believe windshield and roof automotive glass already blocks UVA & UVB rays. 

    If this is truly an issue for somebody, they're already used to tinting their vehicles because no side windows prevent UVA rays anyway. 

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    30 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

     

    Just thinking aloud.

    People with skin cancer, do they go outside at all?   Like ever?   If people that are susceptible to skin cancer and live in strong sunlight states like Florida and California, maybe a window roofed vehicle is the least of their cancer related problems and maybe, these folk should take up residence in less sunny areas.  Not to sound cruel or anything, but I don't comprehend the issue you are trying to raise here.   

    @surreal1272 facepalmed me for the same reasons Im asking a question here.  I am open to discussion to explain what it is that made ANYONE facepalm my rant.  Just friendly conversation I want to partake in. 

    As a Skin Cancer survivor and one that likes EVs, all the auto's having glass roofs bring up a valid point as I will still have to deal with the UV rays that cause skin cancer and more even here in Washington as the summers are still sunny here too. I did love the fact that the Cadillac LYRIQ has a screen that one can close and keep out the daylight.

    Yes, I think this is a very valid point and I never open my sunroofs on my autos anymore and all my windows are darkly tinted. 

    Besides the skin cancer, I have also had another form of deep cell cancer that required the removal of my nose and had it rebuilt with a silicon nose bridge and skin grafts. 

     Skin Cancer is much bigger issue than many realize and as such, it is a very valid point of concern with auto's having these all glass roofs.

    3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I believe windshield and roof automotive glass already blocks UVA & UVB rays. 

    If this is truly an issue for somebody, they're already used to tinting their vehicles because no side windows prevent UVA rays anyway. 

    Yes, as a cancer survivor, all of my auto's as well as my kids have aftermarket tinting that is much darker to block all UV rays.

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    7 minutes ago, David said:

    As a Skin Cancer survivor

    I didnt know.  I would like to apologize if my question came out as arrogant or stupid or anything negative.  I didnt mean to sound like a dumb shyte. But I dont know how a person with skin cancer deals with UVA and UVB sunlight rays as sunlight is pretty much inescapable in the daytime.  I took your concern seriously, but I couldnt compute the message and the necessary solutions.

    13 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I believe windshield and roof automotive glass already blocks UVA & UVB rays. 

    And this is why I couldnt compute what @David was saying because I thought that automotive windows already blocked UVA and UVB rays and I was assuming that glass roofs were built that way as well.  I wasnt cynical about what David was bringing up, was just not understanding how someone that may have skin cancer issues has to deal with such a thing. 

    13 minutes ago, David said:

    I did love the fact that the Cadillac LYRIQ has a screen that one can close and keep out the daylight.

    And seeing this as a possible solution...  I didnt even THINK about that....    

    I dont think RAM will oversee such a thing, however, in the video, the presenter nor the vehicle itself suggests that a screen will be available to cover the windowed roof. 

    16 minutes ago, David said:

    Skin Cancer is much bigger issue than many realize

    I personally dont see skin cancer as a minor thing in our society. However, I do take it for granted that I dont have such an issue.  I take MANY things for granted, many HEALTH oriented things for granted because I dont suffer, my wife and kids dont suffer, from ANY kind of health problems.  So its easy to be nonchalant about health issues.  However, I have empathy for those suffering with health.  Ive lost a father to colon cancer that went general. Plus...Im human after all.  Those pesky human feelings make me empathize for our fellow man.  

    21 minutes ago, David said:

    it is a very valid point of concern with auto's having these all glass roofs.

    Yes. Very valid point. 

    Again. Im very sorry for my foot in mouth.  Like I said, I take it for granted that I, for now, dont have any health issues. So details like this, I will miss and not understand so well.  

     

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    14 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I'm not a fan of glass roofs as someone with light sensitivity

    I LOVE glass roofs.  I feel less clausterphobic.  I do have a slight case of clausterphobia I suspect.  Nothing debilitiating though.

    I have a slight light sensitivity too.  But I have shyte brown eyes.  But the sun sometimes pierces through my brain through my eyes. Its worse in the sunny winter days as the snow and ice reflects the sun rays back up.  I wear sunglasses too. Not during cloudy days though. 

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    8 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    I LOVE glass roofs.  I feel less clausterphobic.  I do have a slight case of clausterphobia I suspect.  Nothing debilitiating though.

    I have a slight light sensitivity too.  But I have shyte brown eyes.  But the sun sometimes pierces through my brain through my eyes. Its worse in the sunny winter days as the snow and ice reflects the sun rays back up.  I wear sunglasses too. Not during cloudy days though. 

    I would imagine its fine at 45 degrees latitude.  😛

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    1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Im not calling you out.  

    Im asking a question to @David because he raised a concern that I dont understand. 

    I also raised a concern that you evidently dont understand or agree with my rant.

    I asked David to set me straight. You arent asking me to set anything straight, however I am asking you what it is you dont agree with.

    Is it the comment that the concept truck is vaporware?  I found out why that may be.

    Is it the comment/rant about cow hide and plant based alternative materials?

    Is it the caveman thing that caveman ate animals and turned their hides into clothing?

    Is it the last thing I said to which I stated Im not a right wing nutter or left wing whack and that nonsense snowflake shyte has got to stop because sooner or later, we will come to the conclusion that breathing air and drinking water will cause concern for the planet and will look to alternative ways of breathing and drinking? 

    My guess is the last part...  Its sarcastic in nature MEANT to cause controversy.  But yeah.  

     

    (Tags poster while claiming he wasn't "calling him out" and after being told that said person did not wish to engage and that it was nothing personal, continues to engage)

     

    Your insistence here is why it's not worth engaging with you on the matter. Again, nothing personal. 

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    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    (Tags poster while claiming he wasn't "calling him out" and after being told that said person did not wish to engage and that it was nothing personal, continues to engage)

     

    Your insistence here is why it's not worth engaging with you on the matter. Again, nothing personal. 

     

    Im not calling you out. 

    But the facepalm thing is quite dumb.  THAT is me calling you out.

    Nothing personal....

    Choose NOT to engage, your thang.  But YOUR thang remains quite dumb. Nothing personal, Just something I dont agree with...  Because pressing on the upvote thing with a faceplam or negative emogi WITOUHT explaining is something that I dont agree with... 

    Again, nothing personal...

    Did you pick up on the sarcasm of the "nothing personal" thing when someone says that while passively agreesively insinuating a negtive?  

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    8 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Im not calling you out. 

    But the facepalm thing is quite dumb.  THAT is me calling you out.

    Whatever man. What you find "dumb", I found appropriate for the moment. That's why they're called "emoji's" or "reactions", neither of which require any kind of wording on my part, if I so choose. Sorry that bothers you so much that you have wasted half a page "not calling" me out but it's your issue and yours alone. All this has done is proven why I didn't engage earlier. 

    8 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Did you pick up on the sarcasm of the "nothing personal" thing when someone says that while passively agreesively insinuating a negtive?  

    Did you pick up on my statement to not engage with you on your first post, even after he has now stated said thing twice? Seriously. Move on.

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    9 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Whatever man. What you find "dumb", I found appropriate for the moment. That's why they're called "emoji's" or "reactions", neither of which require any kind of wording on my part, if I so choose. Sorry that bothers you so much that you have wasted half a page "not calling" me out but it's your issue and yours alone. All this has done is proven why I didn't engage earlier. 

    Did you pick up on my statement to not engage with you on your first post, even after he has now stated said thing twice? Seriously. Move on.

    Seriuosly NOT!!!

    YOU called me out by saying that I called you out.

    I didnt.

    YOU reacted to something I said.  Facepalmed.  I didnt ask anything of you.

    I asked if you wanted to elaborate, you didnt, but you acted like a child by saying that I called you out.  I didnt.  

    I then just reciprocated your "nothing personal" bullshyte of when someone says or does something negtive and responds as nothing personal....

    Dude, lighten up...

    Hopefully you dont respond back to this post and you...just move on....

     

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I would imagine its fine at 45 degrees latitude.  😛

    I probably got my dumb hat on today.  

    I do not get it. 

    I understand the whole 45 degree latitude thing.  Montreal is above this line.   Closer to the North Pole....yada yada yada.  I dont get the connection.   Im missing something. 

    Please 'splain to me...  

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    20 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

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    To be fair, I am not either one of them. That’s just him wanting to argue with himself because he sure as hell doesn’t want to simply listen to someone. 

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    13 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    To be fair, I am not either one of them. That’s just him wanting to argue with himself because he sure as hell doesn’t want to simply listen to someone. 

    To be fair...

    you engaged by reacting.  If you didnt want any engagement and you disagreed, you should have...i-g-n-o-r-e-d

    But you did not.  You simply put ME on the spot and called ME out by face-palming me.  Then you tell me its nothing personal. 

    Great.

      I potentially said something...stupid...according to you. Told me so BY reacting with the voting system...tell me its nothing personal. 

    And you got finicky when I asked why...  

    You tell me to ignore the whole thing by telling me its nothing personal because what I said was beneath you...but you STILL feel the need to...call me out.  

    So...Im supposed to ignore you?  Somehow?  

    Maybe, if you didnt want ME prying in asking you what it might have been said that you obviuosly felt the need to facepalm...

    I put me foot in my mouth with @David. He didnt faceplam or nothin'.

    Answered me in kind.  

    You however, are still at it.  

    I...even posted a funny so we could get on with our lives.  But nope.

    Call me out again to tell me that I should be satisfied with said response and that I want to argue with myself.

    Well...I AM an only child.  I tend to do that ALL the time.  Its fun to see other people's reactions.  Yup...they faceplam me all the time for that.  

    But yeah...

    Thank-you for being a friend...

     

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    2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

    I didnt know.  I would like to apologize if my question came out as arrogant or stupid or anything negative.  I didnt mean to sound like a dumb shyte. But I dont know how a person with skin cancer deals with UVA and UVB sunlight rays as sunlight is pretty much inescapable in the daytime.  I took your concern seriously, but I couldnt compute the message and the necessary solutions.

    And this is why I couldnt compute what @David was saying because I thought that automotive windows already blocked UVA and UVB rays and I was assuming that glass roofs were built that way as well.  I wasnt cynical about what David was bringing up, was just not understanding how someone that may have skin cancer issues has to deal with such a thing. 

    And seeing this as a possible solution...  I didnt even THINK about that....    

    I dont think RAM will oversee such a thing, however, in the video, the presenter nor the vehicle itself suggests that a screen will be available to cover the windowed roof. 

    I personally dont see skin cancer as a minor thing in our society. However, I do take it for granted that I dont have such an issue.  I take MANY things for granted, many HEALTH oriented things for granted because I dont suffer, my wife and kids dont suffer, from ANY kind of health problems.  So its easy to be nonchalant about health issues.  However, I have empathy for those suffering with health.  Ive lost a father to colon cancer that went general. Plus...Im human after all.  Those pesky human feelings make me empathize for our fellow man.  

    Yes. Very valid point. 

    Again. Im very sorry for my foot in mouth.  Like I said, I take it for granted that I, for now, dont have any health issues. So details like this, I will miss and not understand so well.  

     

    No Problem and No Offense Olds, I totally understand that many people do not understand how some might see technology features due to not having to deal with the health issues. 

    For me, I live life to the fullest and if I die before the average person life expectancy, I die happy as I have lived a full life. I love the clouds of Seattle, the most times cloud covered, drizzle and yet still I got what my mom also got, skin cancer along with a dose of Basal and Squamous cell carcinoma. Sadly, my mom had it worse, first was the nose and then the second time with having to have her whole face grafted, but after proper treatment she is turning 79 this year and is still living.

    I had the additional cancer form of Chondrosarcoma which causes pain, swelling, stiffness of the affected area and in my case required the removal of my whole nose and the cartilage under neath as to why I have an interesting Silicon bridge with my own skin nose.

    FYI, You all can laugh as I do everytime I talk about it, but I always joke that may Ass is on my nose as that is the common place they graft the skin from. Yup, my mom and I both have an ASS for a face! 😝

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    This is to run during Superbowl and I have to say while funny as shit, it is so sexual in nature, I wonder just how it will go over. I am actually surprised a company would create a commercial like this in todays sensativity, but then it is a European run company now and they are far more open than the close minded U.S. in commercial humor.

    Taking the family skiing so will not have time till later tonight to post a story on this reveal.

    Stellantis Media - Ram Truck Brand Reveals Highly Anticipated All-new, All-electric Ram 1500 REV in 60-Second 'Premature Electrification' Big Game Commercial, Opens Up Online Reservations (stellantisnorthamerica.com)

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    On 2/12/2023 at 6:30 AM, David said:

    This is to run during Superbowl and I have to say while funny as $h!, it is so sexual in nature, I wonder just how it will go over. I am actually surprised a company would create a commercial like this in todays sensativity, but then it is a European run company now and they are far more open than the close minded U.S. in commercial humor.

    Taking the family skiing so will not have time till later tonight to post a story on this reveal.

    Stellantis Media - Ram Truck Brand Reveals Highly Anticipated All-new, All-electric Ram 1500 REV in 60-Second 'Premature Electrification' Big Game Commercial, Opens Up Online Reservations (stellantisnorthamerica.com)

    I loved it. The way they took shots at EVs while also promoting their own, was pretty awesome and clever. 

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    Also, while I have zero issue with the route they took, why the hell would they show off that concept to just make a regular-@ss-lookin truck? 

    I prefer the more conventional styling, it just seems weird. 

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    Upon reviewing Stellantis RAM News Reveal on the RAM 1500 REV, just not enough to make a real story at this time so just posting a few of the pictures from the Reveal News Alert here.

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    • Ok, so I'll say something about this video. It's mostly pros:  - nice cabin; they even did the Malibu thing with the fabric on the dash - unobtrusive touch screen in terms of its placement and sensibly placed controls  - the hideous diagonal for the cubby under the center stack is gone - much nicer treatment of the rear passenger window where it meets the C-pillar - it no longer looks like a '72 Caprice  - better side profile and rear taillights - we know the 2.5 liter 4 cylinder, assuming it stays the same Neutral: - well, with the hybrid, a CVT comes onto the scene ... if it lasts at least 200,000 miles with diligent maintenance, I can't complain  Cons: - the console height between the bucket seats is a little too high for my taste - the front grille continues on as an appliance; whether in base model form or aggressively styled sporty model form.  It can very easily be "fixed" - thicken the center cross-member where the bumper supposedly is and raise it up a little from the ground.  It's still too much - less is more.
    • Why are you grouping Ford with GM here? To the best of my knowledge, Ford has not announced abandoning CarPlay or AndroidAuto. 
    • Pure semantics (although Honda did, in fact, install their own form of the software) as the bigger point was made and confirmed by your post. GM screwed up six ways from Sunday by going their own way with the software side of things. ZERO background in it prior but "HEY! We're GM! Let's a proven tech and make it absolute hot garbage in form and execution". On a side note... Not four months ago, I caught absolute hell (although less so the last three months because well, you know 😎) for pointing out GMs screw ups, knowing all I had to do was sit back let GM speak for themselves and now here we are. I am not saying GM can't or won't figure this out but the next time a fanfic tells me "That was forty years ago GM", I am going to point to this and the host of other screw ups brought on by GM as my vindication lol. 
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