Cadillac CELESTIQ Car Reveal

Looks too much like a station wagon, it doesn’t look expensive on the outside.  The inside is tacky but it’s a concept car and they’ll change that and make it more normal on the production version.

I guess they don’t want to talk power or performance until the production version is shown.

"awful" is too strong of a word for this but I think the front 3/4 looks fantastic but I'm not a fan of the rear 1/4. 

I just don't dig the big cruiser vibe (and intention) with a coupe-like rear end. The same body shape of a Panamera, which I've always thought was just "bulky" looking, because it was a coupe-like shape but stretched into a sedan. 

The rear quarter is my favorite part, esp. in profile. I like the long hatchback shape, instead of a predictable 3 box sedan profile.   Huge blind spots, though..kind of wonder if it needed windows in the back hatch side triangles...looks like the upper taillights are part of the hatch (the seam that goes down the side)...I like the red interior, instead of the usual despair gray or black that GM does so much of..

50 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Looks too much like a station wagon, it doesn’t look expensive on the outside.  The inside is tacky but it’s a concept car and they’ll change that and make it more normal on the production version.

I guess they don’t want to talk power or performance until the production version is shown.

Hey Biff, how is this any different than the station wagons Mercedes is putting out. If anything, this is a hybrid between a station wagon and a sedan with at least a luxury look to it.

Way better looking than the EQS which is just a BLAH Jellybean and has a hideous interior. This at least look's Luxury in comparison to Mercedes.

Power and Performance, Mercedes did not talk about it till the production came out and it is anything but class leading after all it is supposed to be a luxury executive auto, not a race car.

So let's compare:

CELESTIQ

EQS

CELESTIQ Interior, Only dash available.

EQS Top of the line Dash

EQS most common dash ordered.

CELESTIQ is a Home Run Hit for Luxury and I think the reviews will prove it when this auto goes into production.

I much prefer a station wagon OR a sedan.  Please don't blend them. 

I know neither of these are in the same league as a 300k luxury barge but their profiles are sooooo much better, imo. 

Top: Lucid Aid

Bottom: Tesla Model S

22 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I much prefer a station wagon OR a sedan.  Please don't blend them. 

I understand that you and others might feel that way, but in the 21st century, all bets are off on how and where auto companies move with autos. 

We had SUV or CUV and now CUV is just called SUV, so I think change is the one inevitable thing.

Lucid is nice, Tesla is ugly to me.

I am digging the look of the CELESTIQ. It truly stands out compared to other autos, especially the Mercedes which I think is going to get lost as others bring out luxury EVs to base EVs.

6 minutes ago, David said:

I understand that you and others might feel that way, but in the 21st century, all bets are off on how and where auto companies move with autos. 

We had SUV or CUV and now CUV is just called SUV, so I think change is the one inevitable thing.

Lucid is nice, Tesla is ugly to me.

I am digging the look of the CELESTIQ. It truly stands out compared to other autos, especially the Mercedes which I think is going to get lost as others bring out luxury EVs to base EVs.

The shape isn't new, it's just an ugly shape. 

10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

The shape isn't new, it's just an ugly shape. 

Agree Porches is not that great, I put it with Tesla, EQS as ugly to me.

1 hour ago, David said:

So let's compare:

Don't bother. The "criticize anything by GM but free pass Benz for greater design offenses" in him is not going to give an objective opinion here. Somehow, basic and lazy jellybean design will win out from the "best or nothing".

Fact is that this is not like anything Cadillac has put out before and that is how it should be. Again, aiming higher. I'm not a huge fan of the windless rear pillar area but I sure as hell would not kick this out of the driveway if it just mysteriously popped up one morning. 

2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

windless rear pillar area

"Windowless" rear pillar area (thanks again ADHD)

6 hours ago, David said:

Hey Biff, how is this any different than the station wagons Mercedes is putting out. If anything, this is a hybrid between a station wagon and a sedan with at least a luxury look to it.

Way better looking than the EQS which is just a BLAH Jellybean and has a hideous interior. This at least look's Luxury in comparison to Mercedes.

Power and Performance, Mercedes did not talk about it till the production came out and it is anything but class leading after all it is supposed to be a luxury executive auto, not a race car.

So let's compare:

CELESTIQ

EQS

CELESTIQ Interior, Only dash available.

EQS Top of the line Dash

EQS most common dash ordered.

 

CELESTIQ is a Home Run Hit for Luxury and I think the reviews will prove it when this auto goes into production.

I am not an EQS fan, but I think the EQS looks better than the Celistiq.  The Celistiq looks more like Cadillac's take on an Audi RS6 Avant (which the Audi looks better too) and not their take on a Bentley or Rolls.  Also the EQS isn't the flagship Mercedes, this is:

And it's the only certified Level 3 self driving car available.  

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Also the EQS isn't the flagship Mercedes, this is:

It is currently their flagship EV sedan. We are clearly talking about EVs here.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

I am not an EQS fan, but I think the EQS looks better than the Celistiq.  The Celistiq looks more like Cadillac's take on an Audi RS6 Avant (which the Audi looks better too) and not their take on a Bentley or Rolls.  Also the EQS isn't the flagship Mercedes, this is:

And it's the only certified Level 3 self driving car available.  

You FAIL again in trying to put up an ICE which IS NOT Mercedes Flagship EV.

EQS is the FAILED Flagshiop EV by Benz.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

And it's the only certified Level 3 self driving car available.  

The Level 3 tech is nice and quite impressive but I don't know that I would ever trust ANY self driving system that much. There has to be some driver input IMO but this is where it's headed so ready or not folks. 

2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

It is currently their flagship EV sedan. We are clearly talking about EVs here.

Both exist though.  If I were buying a car now, I'd prefer and EV since I think that's the future and I'll for sticking a middle at foreign oil.  But I'd buy an E-class or S-class over an EQE or EQS because the EQE and EQS don't look good, and the E-class and S-class do look good.  Also aren't enough EV's out there yet, not many body styles to pick from, most brands have 1 or none to pick from.   So that Celestiq still has to compete with the Rolls and Bentleys that are out there now, they aren't only competing against Lucid or the EQS, and really they don't compete against Lucid, the Lucid Air is .4 inches longer than the last Cadillac CTS.  The Celestiq I assume is way larger than a Lucid or Model S.

2 hours ago, David said:

You FAIL again in trying to put up an ICE which IS NOT Mercedes Flagship EV.

EQS is the FAILED Flagshiop EV by Benz.

The EQS isn't the top Mercedes, the S-class, G-wagen, AMG GT, Maybach GLS all cost more, the SL isn't priced yet, but it will cost more.  EQS is like 5th in the pecking order at Mercedes.

 And it is going fine, they sold 4,048 YTD in the USA, which is more than the Lexus LS or BMW 7-Series and 8-series, or Audi A8 or Porsche Panamera.  Porsche Taycan sold 4,449 thus far.  And the S-class is still the #1 selling large luxury car (outsells 7-series, LS, A8 and Panamera combined).  So EQS isn't doing too bad considering it is the #3 selling full size luxury car, with #1 in the same showroom stealing sales from it.   Although the Taycan is actually a mid-size, the EQE is the same size as the Taycan, but Taycan is EQS price.

Wow, I wasn’t expecting this. 
 

I really dig the profile and styling. Fresh, unique, interesting. Makes the Tesla and Lucid look flabby and dated. Makes the Mercedes look ridiculous. 
 

still may not justify the price but that long roof coupe / wagon look I really really like. 

8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Both exist though.

For gods sake man, stop splitting hairs. This article is about an EV so clearly we are just talking about EVs here and not the unrelated ICE Maybach. It's really that simple.

8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Although the Taycan is actually a mid-size, the EQE is the same size as the Taycan, but Taycan is EQS price.

Full stop. The EQE will start just north of $70K. The Taycan starts at $86K. The EQS starts at $102K. Point here is that the Taycan IS NOT EQS price. Stop trying to puff up your brand. Although, I guess I should say congrats to the S-Class for being only one of two models from Benz to show a year over gain from the same quarter 2021. Everything else is in the "-" column so far.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a40679950/cadillac-celestiq-concept/

I read this article comprehending  this is still a show car.  There are one or two direct mentioning of it being a show car, but more than that, the way the article is written, it makes me believe that these pics may not be 100% the Celestiq that will eventually BE the Celestiq.  

The exterior styling may not just be a stylistic exercise, as it is presented to us as how the Celestiq will actually look albeit with minor changes, I believe.  The fast back silhouette and hatch and front and all that will probably be final and 99% intact.  

The interior pics are definitely renderings though.

With that being said, I like it!

Love the front. I like the rear less. 

I dont mind the fastback look. I dont mind the hatch styling. Wish it were more of a squarish design rather than a rounded one. But it's worthy of a Cadillac design for a halo vehicle being the priciest Caddy ever.  

The Tesla Model S was a sexy car when it came out a decade ago.  Its still a great looking vehicle today. It has aged well enough, albeit it is long in the tooth. It has been since 3 years ago at least.  It needs to have a 2nd generation.

The Audi E Tron GT is very sexy.  Like the Karma Fisker before it.  But both of those dont figure in the Celestiq realm of motoring.  Too sporty.  Not enough classy.

The Lucid Air is a welcomed, classy design to counter the ugliness of the Mercedes offerings and the now old styling of the Model S. The problem with the Lucid Air and the Mercedes offerings is that they do 1990s retro very well.  Not very forward.

When the Lucid Air is put side to side with the Celestiq, the Air looks dated very quickly.  BECAUSE the Air looks like it came straight from 1999...  Like it would be an Oldsmobile of some sort.  One that  Saturn could badge engineer and sell also...

I read that it is rumored to have more than 300 miles of range... 

With all the luxurious accents and finishes and touches aside with the bespoke this and the bespoke handcrafted that,  north of 300 miles is not merely good enough for 300 grand.   North of 500 mile range should be the goal and maybe Cadillac is being less than truthful about the rumored 300 mile range.  Hopefully north of 500 mile range is what it will have.     People look at numbers and 300 for 300 grand may leave people unimpressed when a Lucid Air has 500 and the Air seems to do the luxury thing quite well...    Mercedes also seems to have unlocked that kind of range 500 mile range as well...   That would be my only gripe.   

Ultium better be better for range because range is the new horsepower wars since EVs have no problem achieving horsepowers... 

Slick Black Cadillacs are BACK!!!!

The literal shyt two tone paint on this thing aside, (personal taste paint choice, I get it,) this generation of S Class is ugly.

Conservative does not mean, nor does it imply, or need to be ugly.  I get the fact that the old money guard does not want to advertise or flaunt wealth. I know many of the many reasons why...    And I know that the S Class caters to this wealthy class of people and it has so for a long time now.  But Ill repeat, conservative styling does not mean, nor does it imply, or need to be ugly. And this generation of S Class is quite the hideous thing.   Its actually uglier than a Rolls Royce.

But the Rolls has one thing above the S Class.  Its imposing and its stately and it majestic.   OK, the Rolls has 3 things over the S Class.  Make it 4.  The Rolls also has the NAME behind that royalty!   

The S Class wants to live in the melted bar of soapy aero styling of a 1986 Ford Taurus and of GM's and Chrysler's 1990s stylistic offerings! 

The Celestiq is  way way better stylistically than ANY sedan Mercedes offering right now.

Mercedes better get its shyte together because I see Cadillac in the EV future restoring its place in the luxury world and displacing Mercedes and leaving Mercedes to compete with Chevrolet.  And even there, Chevy styling is so much better than Mercedes.

4 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

The literal shyt two tone paint on this thing aside, (personal taste paint choice, I get it,) this generation of S Class is ugly.

Conservative does not mean, nor does it imply, or need to be ugly.  I get the fact that the old money guard does not want to advertise or flaunt wealth. I know many of the many reasons why...    And I know that the S Class caters to this wealthy class of people and it has so for a long time now.  But Ill repeat, conservative styling does not mean, nor does it imply, or need to be ugly. And this generation of S Class is quite the hideous thing.   Its actually uglier than a Rolls Royce.

 

 

This generation S-class is outselling the Lexus LS, 7-series, A8, GV90 and Panamera combined this year.  I don't see any other car outselling the rest of its segment.  

And I think the Rolls Phantom looks quite good, better than the Ghost or the Bentleys.

6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

This generation S-class is outselling the Lexus LS, 7-series, A8, GV90 and Panamera combined this year.  I don't see any other car outselling the rest of its segment.  

Not sure this is the hill you want to die on when this particular market is the very definition of the "word" niche, with low volume cars aplomb. 

Oh and the GV90 is a CUV so...

I don't see Lucid as a big threat, they have no dealers, no charger network like Tesla, no real support system.  And they have 1 car selling at low volume.  Low volume car companies don't work, look at how often companies like Lotus and Aston Martin, are constantly in financial trouble, Jaguar gets passed around to new ownership ever 15-20 years.  Brands like Rolls, Bentley, Lamborghini, could never make it on their own, they have to be owned and developed by a big conglomerate or else they wouldn't exist.   Lucid will eventually not have the money to develop cars, develop infotainment, self driving tech, etc.  Even Tesla who has money, has a 10 year old Model S still out there because they don't have the time or money to make an all new version.

2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

Not sure this is the hill you want to die on when this particular market is the very definition of the "word" niche, with low volume cars aplomb. 

 

Oh and the GV90 is a CUV so...

G90 I meant.