C8 Corvette Delayed Until February 2020

Thanks greedy UAW...

Customer be like...wait I had plenty of time to think now so can I just change my C7 order to a C8? GM be like...Uh NO 2020 C8's are sold out...?

wont make it any prettier.

18 minutes ago, thedriver said:

wont make it any prettier.

Nope.  A delay wont make it more appealing to you. 

But perhaps it will...in that the longer its delayed, the longer you will have to see it roaming around on public roads...

46 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Thanks greedy UAW...

The heads of the UAW I heard, will eventually be prosecuted for some kind of fraud.

One guy resigned in hopes of eliminating his chances of being arrested? Did I hear that correct?

Anyway, the C8 looks to be like a fantastic machine.

I just hope Chevy could keep customers interested in it for another 60 years.  It was a tough sell at times when it was  front engined, yet it kept its core buyers intact. But as we all know, the Corvette program was nearly killed of several times in its history, the latest from C4 to the C5 due to waning customers and not making money on it  and almost from the C6 to the C7 due to the bankruptcy.

Now that its core buyers are conflicted, will it have a fresh new core buyers to keep it going for another 60 years? 

The mid-engined crowd is a finicky bunch...

Clearing out C7 inventory is more important than the 40 day strike.  I suspect that the strike hurt other GM operations MORE than the resulting 90 day delay on the C8 Corvette.

I wonder how many are going for the C7 over the C8 and vice versa. 

57 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

The heads of the UAW I heard, will eventually be prosecuted for some kind of fraud.

One guy resigned in hopes of eliminating his chances of being arrested? Did I hear that correct?

Anyway, the C8 looks to be like a fantastic machine.

I just hope Chevy could keep customers interested in it for another 60 years.  It was a tough sell at times when it was  front engined, yet it kept its core buyers intact. But as we all know, the Corvette program was nearly killed of several times in its history, the latest from C4 to the C5 due to waning customers and not making money on it  and almost from the C6 to the C7 due to the bankruptcy.

Now that its core buyers are conflicted, will it have a fresh new core buyers to keep it going for another 60 years? 

The mid-engined crowd is a finicky bunch...

  writes:

What are you talking about?  Mid-engined exotic car owners are not finicky.  Where is your proof that mid-engined exotic owners are finicky?  I dont buy that at all.  You are generalizing and that is a not good when stating your opinions on a car forum. 

 writes:

Yeah...I know.  Forbes is stating that the car demographic for mid-engined exotics should favor the launch of the C8 due to the fact that..............

Motor Trend did a study of.................

Cars and Safety Weekly says that the young Millennials that are to buy the C8................

This @oldshurst442 guy  just doesn't get it.   

  writes:

Im gonna have fun test driving it no matter what he says.  

 writes:     (  on my post)

Yes. But I sat in it and well...Im 8 feet 9 inches tall and because its a GM product, I could fit easily in it because its a GM product and the C8 is also mid-engined but a comparable Ferrari...well the Ferrari sucks because Im 8 feet 9 inches tall and I cant fit my oversized legs and torso in the car. 

To which I write back to all of you:

Listen:  Alls Im saying is that Chevrolet nearly killed the Corvette program because.......

and I hope Chevrolet will find a way to keep its core buyers intact while keeping new buyers happy and I hope they find new secrets of success in making new loyal Corvette buyers for the next 60 years.

And...well, its true that the  mid-engined crowd's demands are a little different than what Chevrolet knows about the "muscle car" crowd.

 writes back:

What do you mean the muscle car crowd is different....

 writes back:

Muscle Car Review and Hot Rod Chevy say that............

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

The heads of the UAW I heard, will eventually be prosecuted for some kind of fraud.

One guy resigned in hopes of eliminating his chances of being arrested? Did I hear that correct?

Anyway, the C8 looks to be like a fantastic machine.

I just hope Chevy could keep customers interested in it for another 60 years.  It was a tough sell at times when it was  front engined, yet it kept its core buyers intact. But as we all know, the Corvette program was nearly killed of several times in its history, the latest from C4 to the C5 due to waning customers and not making money on it  and almost from the C6 to the C7 due to the bankruptcy.

Now that its core buyers are conflicted, will it have a fresh new core buyers to keep it going for another 60 years? 

The mid-engined crowd is a finicky bunch...

Several heads at UAW upper mgmt. that need to roll, too corrupt anymore.

C8 is gorgeous inside and out seen in person and sat in one of three that GM had touring the country and it was very impressive. Porsche and Ferrari guys showed up and were mighty impressed.

There will be loyal Corvette owners that will be very happy with the C8 like myself and the Italian and Brit exotic guys will jump in too so it should do very well for the next 5 or 6 decades. I do think GM should still offer a C7 style front engine variant as a base or less expensive model though.

23 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I wonder how many are going for the C7 over the C8 and vice versa. 

Good point! Get the data for us chief! ???

Shrek always be hard fit in Corvette or any other little sports car.

? Where is my mighty V Escalade?????????

We can thank Mr. Jim Perkins, who is now no longer with us, for saving the Corvette from the bean counters at GM in the late 90's. Neat write up at C&D.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a21052428/how-the-chevrolet-corvette-was-saved-from-extinction-twice-feature/

Ive been on youtube and several automotive sites searching for ANY C8 content. Ive also read hundreds if not thousands of comments on those sites and videos regarding the C8

I found out that the majority of people all over the world (And yeah...Ive listened to GERMAN youtube videos, and Ive read  GERMAN comments...google translate for the comments but I have NO clue what the videos said...) 

That the C8 is MOSTLY well perceived.  Fans from all kinds of types of vehicles applaud GM for having the balls to switch to mid-engine for the Corvette.  A vocal minority, but big numbers just the same just wished that GM kept the Corvette front engined the way it was. 

Most comments liked the C8's exterior looks.  Most comments were about it looked BETTER than the other mid-engined exotics out there. 

Trolls on US content commented how it looked like an Acura NSX or it was a Walmart Ferrari.

I do not think the German comments were trolly, but it was fairly even split between the German folk liking the exterior looks, better than the C7 and C6 or those that liked the C8 but find the looks to be more European and that was a set back because at least the C7 and C6 had American styling design (same with the placement of the engine, these folk applauded the mid-engine effort but stated that the Corvette lost its specialness by being Front engined RWD)  and those that hated it because it reminded them too much of a Ferrari design.  

But many many many comments were how before they would NEVER consider a Corvette, but the C8 won them over. Price and performance with that mid-engine layout being the reasons given.  Some said...(who knows if they really own a 911 or Ferrari)  that they would now ditch their German and Italian rides for the Corvette C8. 

On the interior....hands down...comments were about how much better it looks and seems to be than previous generations.

However, in the German comments, there were some trolls that called the Corvette American junk and that it will never hold a candle to a 911, BMW, Audi or Mercedces.   

Just an anecdotal post...take that what you want from this post.  Enjoy it or rip me into pieces for it...

31 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Ive been on youtube and several automotive sites searching for ANY C8 content. Ive also read hundreds if not thousands of comments on those sites and videos regarding the C8

I found out that the majority of people all over the world (And yeah...Ive listened to GERMAN youtube videos, and Ive reag to GERMAN comments...google translate for the comments but I hve NO clue what the videos said...) 

That the C8 is MOSTLY well perceived.  Fans from all kinds of types if vehicles applaud GM for having the balls to switch to mid-engine for the Corvette.  A vocal minority, but big numbers just the same just wished that GM kept the Corvette front engined the way it was. 

Most comments liked the C8's exterior looks.  Most comments were about it looked BETTER than the other mid-engined exotics out there. 

Trolls on US content commented how it looked like an ACura NSX or it was a Walmart Ferrari.

I do not think the German comments were trolly, but it was fairly even split between the German folk liking the exterior looks, better than the C7 and C6 or those that liked the C8 but find the looks to be more European and that was a set back because at least the C7 and C6 had American styling design (same with the placement of the engine, these folk applauded the mid-engine effort but stated that the Corvette lost its specialness by being Front engined RWD)  and those that hated it because it reminded them too much of a Ferrari design.  

On the interior....hands down...comments were about how much better it looks and seems to be than previous generations.

However, in the German comments, there were some trolls that called the Corvette American junk and that it will never hold a candle to a 911, BMW or Mercedces.   

Just an anecdotal post...take that what you want form my post.  Enjoy it or rip me into pieces for it...

Purist's will always be upset with change. The aftermarket guys are already blowing minds with C8 add on's.

It will be great to see the C8 and Z06 next year as well as "Zora" in the near future rip the hater trolls to shreds and take euro exotics down at a fraction of their cost. Heck the BASE C8 Stingray is already on par with many foreign mid engine exotics. I can't wait to see what the AWD Hypercar C8 Zora 5.5L TT 850hp flat plane crank V8 mid ship and 200hp dual traction motors in front. Bring it Europe! ???

 https://www.topspeed.com/cars/chevrolet/2020-chevrolet-c8-corvette-zr1-ar165292.html

31 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Purist's will always be upset with change.

It will be great to see the C8 and Z06 next year as well as "Zora" in the near future rip the hater trolls to shreds and take euro exotics down at a fraction of their cost. Heck the BASE C8 Stingray is already on par with many foreign mid engine exotics. I can't wait to see what the AWD Hypercar C8 Zora 5.5L TT 850hp flat plane crank V8 mid ship and 200hp dual traction motors in front. Bring it Europe! ???

 https://www.topspeed.com/cars/chevrolet/2020-chevrolet-c8-corvette-zr1-ar165292.html

 

Purists. Haters. 

The C8 looks the part.  Love it or hate it, it speaks the mid-engine super car language.  On all levels. 

It aint as elegant in the frontal area as say...the Ferrari 458, the car that it was benched mark after in the looks department and in the engineering driving and handling characteristics. Or the new McLaren GT which resembles it a little. 

The Ferrari 488 and the F8 Tributo do seem to be more refined looks wise than the C8. But then again, the Vette is NOT supposed have refined lines.  But aggressive ones. And the C8  certainly does have that. 

The rear.   The rear does seem unnecessarily busy., I myself wished it was more "refined" and smoothed over. But then again, the rear does need to have some sort of trunk to fit the targa top and the dumb golf bags that the Vette faithful so cherish...

Who am I to declare war on the rear?  I am not a buyer of Corvette. Not now. Not in the near future.  But past, current and future Vette buyers required and require that...  

But, Ive also listened to Tadge Juechter and his staff speak about how and why they chose those design elements in the car, and HE said that that is what the young designers are doing so that design is the future.  Along with the necessary engineering requirements...

And if you look at the current and future supercar renderings from the exotic makers, you will see similar aggressive design themes that the Corvette C8 has adopted. And FUTURE design elements is the KEY here...    So Im  good with that.

The ONLY thing I wished it had was its quad exhausts were centered like how it all started with the C5. 

Irony being that I HATED that design element in 1997. But now I WANT it...

The "Camaro rear tailights" look good on it.  I like them on the C7. I just dont like the black plastic that look like tears on the C7, but on the C8 they are MORE than awesome!!! 

Performance wise?

The Z51 KILLS it.

The base base at below 60 grand...like what do you want more?

At around 80-90 grand, this machine is the complete package. Minus the brand snobbery.

But then again, Corvette has its own awesome brand image. 

And yes, this is just the beginning.  Z06.  Hybrid 1000 HP plus variant...

I love Ferrari.

I love Ford GT (40)

I LOVE the Viper. 

Then there is CORVETTE for me on a whole other level. 

But I am more of a fullsized and midized muscle car guy.   

I'm really looking forward to seeing the C8 in person...guess it will be a while until I do..

I think it is a design that will look better in person than in photos...I like the proportions and over all shape...lots of creases.  About the only detail I really don't like in photos is the concave curve of the tail above the taillights...I think the rear would have looked better if the deck had been flat or slightly convex across. 

29 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Purists. Haters. 

The C8 looks the part.  Love it or hate it, it speaks the mid-engine super car language.  On all levels. 

It aint as elegant in the frontal area as say...the Ferrari 458, the car that it was benched mark after in the looks department. Or the new McLaren GT which resembles it a little. 

The Ferrari 488 and the F8 Tributo do seemed more refined looks wise than the C8. But then again, the Vette is NOT supposed have refined lines.  But aggressive ones. And the C8  certainly does have that. 

The rear.   The rear does seem unnecessarily busy., I myself wished it was more "refined" and smoothed over. But then again, the rear does need to have some sort of trunk to fit the targa top and the dumb golf bags that the Vette faithful so cherish...

Who am I to declare war on the rear?  I am not a buyer of Corvette. Not now. Not in the near future.  But past, current and future Vette buyers required and require that...  

But, Ive also listened to Tadge Juechter and his staff speak about how and why they chose those design elements in the car, and HE said that that is what the young designers are doing so that design is the future.  Along with the necessary engineering requirements...

And if you look at the current and future supercar renderings from the exotic makers, you will see similar aggressive design themes that the Corvette C8 has adopted. And FUTURE design elements is the KEY here...    So Im  good with that.

The ONLY thing I wished it had was its quad exhausts were centered like how it all started with the C5. 

Irony being that I HATED that design element in 1997. But now I WANT it...

The "Camaro rear tailights" look good on it.  I like them on the C7. I just dont like the black plastic that look like tears on the C7, but on the C8 they are MORE than awesome!!! 

 

 

Have you seen a C8 in person? Can't remember reading that you have. I have and they are better in person, as with most vehicles.

The base C8 Stingray is designed and offered to be affordable to more hard working Americans, but the Z cars will be as refined or more than the Italians and Brits, don't get me wrong I love the Prancing Horse 458 Italia or 488 GTB and F12 Berlinetta or 812 Superfast with the awesome Ferrari V12's, but the C8 has a place in my red blooded American heart.

Exhaust pipes to the corners on the C8 are freer flowing than mandrel bending them hard to the center with the engine being mid mounted and would have taken away from the rear storage that's still pretty impressive. I asked the GM engineers several questions that were present for the C8 reveal event we had here in Arizona. The Elkhart Lake Blue one we had here was headed to the NCM in Bowling Green not to be crushed like other pre-production cars, so that was pretty neat info. too.

12 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Have you seen a C8 in person? Can't remember reading that you have. They are much better in person, as with most vehicles.

The base C8 Stingray is designed and offered to be affordable to more hard working Americans, but the Z cars will be as refined or more than the Italians and Brits, don't get me wrong I love the Prancing Horse 458 Italia or 488 GTB and F12 Berlinetta or 812 Superfast with the awesome Ferrari V12's, but the C8 has a place in my red blooded American heart.

Exhaust pipes to the corners on the C8 are freer flowing than mandrel bending them hard to the center with the engine being mid mounted and would have taken away from the rear storage that's still pretty impressive. I asked the GM engineers several questions that were present for the C8 reveal event we had here in Arizona. The Elkhart Lake Blue one we had here was headed to the NCM in Bowling Green not to be crushed like other pre-production cars, so that was pretty neat info. too.

If @Robert Hall is gonna have a hard time seeing a C8 in person, I come from Montreal, I bet that Ill be seeing one waaaaay after Bob will...

But then again, Montreal's Auto Show happens in January. Maybe GM will have one on display. I will attend  if they do. 

So no. Havent seen one in person. 

Superfast 812?  Phoque I LOVE that car.  Not more than a Hellcat Challenger. But I LOVE that car. 

The last thing I wanna do is bitch about engineering choices and why things are placed in the car. So I understand the exhaust pipes being where they are.   Part of my post above about the rear and the trunk also included the exhausts and why they are there. I just didnt mention that.

Same reasons why the front is bulky.  Frunk.  Corvette needs to be a daily driver and that means engineers need to make space for stuff. And THAT is why the front is bulky.  Im sure if the Corvette was to be a purely speed and track machine, and NOT be a daily driven friendly car, then the car could have been more streamlined both in the front and in the back... 

27 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I'm really looking forward to seeing the C8 in person...guess it will be a while until I do..

I think it is a design that will look better in person than in photos...I like the proportions and over all shape...lots of creases.  About the only detail I really don't like in photos is the concave curve of the tail above the taillights...I think the rear would have looked better if the deck had been flat or slightly convex across. 

Wait until you see it in person. The body lines flow very well front to back. I kind of wished they would have brought back nostalgic round quad taillights, but once I saw it in person without them it looks pretty sweet because they fit really well with the rest of the car.

1 minute ago, oldshurst442 said:

If @Robert Hall is gonna have a hard time seeing a C8 in person, I come from Montreal, I bet that Ill be seeing one waaaaay after Bob will...

But then again, Montreal's Auto Show happens in January. Maybe GM will have one on display. I will attend  if they do. 

So no. Havent seen one in person. 

The Cleveland show isn't until March, so yes, you have a chance of seeing one before me.  And the Cleveland show is a dealer show, so there may not be one there. 

3 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

If @Robert Hall is gonna have a hard time seeing a C8 in person, I come from Montreal, I bet that Ill be seeing one waaaaay after Bob will...

But then again, Montreal's Auto Show happens in January. Maybe GM will have one on display. I will attend  if they do. 

So no. Havent seen one in person. 

Superfast 812?  Phoque I LOVE that car.  Not more than a Hellcat Challenger. But I LOVE that car. 

The last thing I wanna do is bitch about engineering choices and why things are placed in the car. So I understand the exhaust pipes being where they are.   Part of my post above about the rear and the trunk also included the exhausts and why they are there. I just didnt mention that.

Same reasons why the front is bulky.  Frunk.  Corvette needs to be a daily driver and that means engineers need to make space for stuff. And THAT is why the front is bulky.  Im sure if the Corvette was to be a purely speed and track machine, and NOT be a daily driven friendly car, then the car could have been more streamlined both in the front and in the back... 

 

 

 

Wait until you see it in person. The front isn't bulky, it's very streamlined and low slung. I'm sure GM will have it in Montreal for the auto show. 

Speaking of the front, they have the GPS enabled front lift system so you don't scrape the expensive front splitter pulling into driveways or high speed bumps and with the GPS system you save your house or other regularly used driveways or parking lots as a POI and it will automatically lift when approaching. 

Hmmm...I wonder if GM will display one at Barrett-Jackson in Scottsdale in January.  I may be out there then, visiting my client's office in Scottsdale. 

Just now, Robert Hall said:

Hmmm...I wonder if GM is will display one at Barrett-Jackson in Scottsdale in January.  I may be out there then, visiting my client's office in Scottsdale. 

Pretty sure they will. Barrett J always has a Chevrolet, Dodge and Ford area. Ford had the new GT there in 2017.

15 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

The Cleveland show isn't until March, so yes, you have a chance of seeing one before me.  And the Cleveland show is a dealer show, so there may not be one there. 

So...a GIF like this appropriate then?

@USA-1

In pics, that front end looks bulky.  Lost in translation happens with pictures. True true.

That GPS front lifting memory feature is awesome.  Corvette engineers thought of many things to cater to those finicky exotic car owners.  They did their homework...

 EDIT

@Robert Hall

Barrett J happens just before XMAS or right about New Years Day, right?  The Montreal Show is mid January...

You cant go then...I  cant just retreat that GIF...I NEED to see the C8 before you...

1 minute ago, USA-1 said:

Pretty sure they will. Barrett J always has a Chevrolet, Dodge and Ford area. Ford had the new GT there in 2017.

Yes, 2017 was the last one I went to...went to at least a dozen between '97 and '17.    I do miss the January auction scene. 

1 minute ago, oldshurst442 said:

So...a GIF like this appropriate then?

@USA-1

In pics, that front end looks bulky.  Lost in translation happens with pictures. True true.

That GPS front lifting memory feature is awesome.  Corvette engineers thought of many things to cater to those finicky exotic car owners.  They did their homework...

 

 

 

 

Hey we Corvette owners have been asking for it for years so...?

Aftermarket systems are several grand.

Just now, USA-1 said:

Hey we Corvette owners have been asking for it for years so...?

Aftermarket systems are several grand.

So I guess its  you, the Corvette owners, that are a finicky bunch then...

Golf bags.

Cup holders.

Fat seats for your old man fat asses. 

6 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

So...a GIF like this appropriate then?

@USA-1

In pics, that front end looks bulky.  Lost in translation happens with pictures. True true.

That GPS front lifting memory feature is awesome.  Corvette engineers thought of many things to cater to those finicky exotic car owners.  They did their homework...

 EDIT

@Robert Hall

Barrett J happens just before XMAS or right about New Years Day, right?  The Montreal Show is mid January...

You cant go then...I  cant just retreat that GIF...I NEED to see the C8 before you...

 

 

 

Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale is middle of January. Fun as H3ll every year! 

1 minute ago, USA-1 said:

Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale is middle of January. Fun as H3ll every year! 

I bet!

I have watched some of those auctions on TV in the past. 

Why do I remember seeing them on XMAS day or New Year's day?  Selective memory? 

1 minute ago, oldshurst442 said:

So I guess its  you, the Corvette owners, that are a finicky bunch then...

Golf bags.

Cup holders.

Fat seats for your old man fat asses. 

 

 

Lol well I'm 43 and pretty fit but ok...? And no the cup holders haven't always been great especially in the C5, but I don't eat or drink in my Vette other than water in a bottle at times. 

1 minute ago, oldshurst442 said:

I bet!

I have watched some of those auctions on TV in the past. 

Why do I remember seeing them on XMAS day or New Year's day?  Selective memory? 

 

Gettin' old ya old Canuck!

1 minute ago, USA-1 said:

Lol well I'm 43 and pretty fit but ok...? And no the cup holders haven't always been great especially in the C5, but I don't eat or drink in my Vette other than water in a bottle at times. 

Im actually older than you.  46.   I dont drink or eat in my car either. My kids on the other hand...different story. 

1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

Lol well I'm 43 and pretty fit but ok...? And no the cup holders haven't always been great especially in the C5, but I don't eat or drink in my Vette other than water in a bottle at times. 

You young kids still needing a Tet to make you happy with a bottle. I like the real thing if you get my drift.  

Yeah, the delay might pissed the ten people who are waiting for it... ? 

Pretty sure it mighty work to their favor to iron out any lat minute issues ...plus it will be a shorter 2020 run.

Feel like I’m the somewhat youngest in this crowd....  ? 

February 3rd is the official start of production on the C8. Yet with that stated, there were many new looking C8's that looked to be awaiting delivery to dealerships.

https://www.motor1.com/news/396555/chevy-corvettes-on-camera-transport/

Either way while this story shows the first C8 off the assembly line today, as well as the capture of the ones built before this one.

I have a bigger question for anyone that might know or have any fact from GM:

Will the C8 have their new Electrical Nervous system with over the air updates?

Love the builder, cannot wait till we get the performance stuff, but a 3LT corvette in Bronze Metallic with two tone interior is very nice.

I like that color combo quite a bit....definitely prefer it to flashier colors like bright red and yellow.

3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

I like that color combo quite a bit....definitely prefer it to flashier colors like bright red and yellow.

I am kind of stoked... Zeus Bronze is available on the 2021 Trailblazer Activ.

3 hours ago, dfelt said:

February 3rd is the official start of production on the C8. Yet with that stated, there were many new looking C8's that looked to be awaiting delivery to dealerships.

https://www.motor1.com/news/396555/chevy-corvettes-on-camera-transport/

Either way while this story shows the first C8 off the assembly line today, as well as the capture of the ones built before this one.

I have a bigger question for anyone that might know or have any fact from GM:

Will the C8 have their new Electrical Nervous system with over the air updates?

Yes, the C8 will have the new "Nervous System" electrical architecture. I've been told one of the reasons for the launch delay towards the end was to implement the new system.