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    Chevy Increases Bolt Range

      ...Up 21 miles over previous years....

    Chevrolet has announced that for 2020, the Chevrolet Bolt will have a longer range between charges. The new maximum range on a full charge is now 259, a 21 mile increase over previous year cars. 

    Chevy achieved this by making a small change in the battery cell chemistry. This allowed the team to increase range without changing the structure of the battery pack. The change increases the battery pack's capacity from 60 kWh to 66 kWh.  The drivetrain itself has not changed and remains a 200 horsepower / 266 lb-ft unit. 

    Chevy is also offering two additional colors for 2020, Cayenne Orange Metallic (additional cost option) and Oasis Blue.

     

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    It's a nice increase and they're getting close to that magical 300 mile number. 

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    2 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Anyone seen the Chevy BEV CUV pic floating around?

    Supposed to be for China only. 

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    Other than bleak sales predictions, which, you know; are legit- that makes little sense.

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    17 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Other than bleak sales predictions, which, you know; are legit- that makes little sense.

    Take away the trucks and Big SUVs, and GM sells more vehicles in china than in the US these days.  

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    32 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Take away the trucks and Big SUVs, and GM sells more vehicles in china than in the US these days.  

    That's a weird caveat. They produce vehicles for the market they are selling them in. 

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    2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    That's a weird caveat. They produce vehicles for the market they are selling them in. 

    It explains why cars specifically are geared towards China first... and even though they may call it a crossover, that Bolt CUV is just a tall station wagon. 

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    It explains why cars specifically are geared towards China first... and even though they may call it a crossover, that Bolt CUV is just a tall station wagon. 

    It also explains why Buick sales are basically geared towards China given that each Chinese Buick outsells the ones here by 4 to 1. 

    Also, the Bolt, while nice at 259 miles, needs to have a range that ideally exceeds 400 miles, not just 300.  One more thing, where is my Equinox BEV with a 350-mile range?

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    @OCNBLU might have got this instead of the Canyon if he had known about the extra 21 miles of range on the horizon!!!!!

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    1 hour ago, regfootball said:

    the Canyon

     

     

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    2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

     

     

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    WHOOPS. SORRY, i meant COLORADO.

    pls forgive me i get those badge engineered GM products mixed up all the timez....momentary lapse.

    I forgot your like for Colorados.....

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    Well if Chevy can sell one additional Bolt in America next year they can claim a boom in EV sales.  The Oasis Blue with white dash combo sounds spectacular.

    Seriously... real question... the Chevy Bolt is a sweet little CUV... it has the friendliest demeanor and it comes across as easiest to use out of all the EVs out there... and it is not selling.  This should be construed as a clue in a sensible world.  What was that report... $13k/unit lost on every Bolt they sell?  Would be a Herculean feat to turn that number into a positive $1.00... when ppl are not displaying a propensity to drop everything and bolt into their local Chevy dealer to snatch these up.

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    1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

    Well if Chevy can sell one additional Bolt in America next year they can claim a boom in EV sales.  The Oasis Blue with white dash combo sounds spectacular.

    Seriously... real question... the Chevy Bolt is a sweet little CUV... it has the friendliest demeanor and it comes across as easiest to use out of all the EVs out there... and it is not selling.  This should be construed as a clue in a sensible world.  What was that report... $13k/unit lost on every Bolt they sell?  Would be a Herculean feat to turn that number into a positive $1.00... when ppl are not displaying a propensity to drop everything and bolt into their local Chevy dealer to snatch these up.

    Lets talk about why BOLT does not sell well. A number of valid bullets to take into consideration:

    • It is not a Tesla
    • Public hate for all things GM
    • Lack of proper marketing
    • Lack of training of Chevrolet Sales people on how to sell an EV.
    • Lack of public knowledge on how to fuel up on the road.
    • Lack of EV brand perception.
    • Hatred created by killing the original EV1 by GM.
    • Cost especially with cheap fuel and cheaper trucks / cuv / suv
    • Washington DC Versus GM Politics.
    • Global demand is up, but limited production due to battery pack production is holding back increased sales - Read the Fool.com Investment Analysis which covers the global demand for the BOLT.

    To quote the electric power research institute in Palo Alto CA:

    Mark Duvall, director of energy utilization for the Electric Power Research Institute in Palo Alto, told the San Jose Mercury News, “It takes a long time to change someone’s inherent perceptions about new technology…especially with one of the two biggest purchases people make.”

    https://www.plugincars.com/why-238-mile-chevy-bolt-not-selling-hotcakes-132776.html

    https://www.torquenews.com/5477/2019-chevy-bolt-hasn-t-been-selling-very-well-and-it-isn-t-car-s-fault

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/07/05/is-this-why-sales-of-general-motors-chevrolet-bolt.aspx

    End result is that the BOLT and all other Electrics are held back by battery production, limited supplies, higher costs till economy of scale kicks in and Limited options.

    Final part is IGNORANCE with a BIG DOSE of a lack to learn and understand changing technology.

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    The Bolt seems like it would make a decent city car...but it's really tiny, goofy looking and pricey.  Maybe a restyle w/ squared off mini-Silverado front end styling would help...

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    Volt was too small. So is Bolt. 

    If you want a chance at mainstream sales you have to size the vehicle where more people want it. A plug in Malibu at volt price or less for example. The fusion energi has sold ok.  Or perhaps the bolt could have been Equinox sized. 

    I thought I saw something that said GM was looking at solid state ev batteries. Makes me wonder if all these car manufacturers are worried about getting slammed with toxic waste lawsuits aplenty when all these current hybrids are getting disposed of.

     

    i do like bolt and volt a lot.  Just not practical to own with their size and limited options. 

     

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    2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

    The Bolt seems like it would make a decent city car...but it's really tiny, goofy looking and pricey.  Maybe a restyle w/ squared off mini-Silverado front end styling would help...

    I will second several points echoed from the past (one of which dfelt already pointed out). The looks are a problem for a lot of folks. It looks like a CUV yet it offers nothing that other CUVs offer, like AWD or 4WD. That kills a huge subsection of potential CUV buyers looking to go green. Second, and this is the big one, has been total lack of marketing, much like the diesels certain folks here crow over. I worked at a Chevy dealership last year and during that time they had exactly one Bolt that sat for almost two months with a $44K price tag on it. Most of the sales people knew jack and $h! about the car and that price was a huge pill to swallow for a lot of folks. All of this had nothing to do with the powertrain and that’s what the dinosaurs don’t get. It has said a million times in the last, that had the EV tech gone in something more like the Equinox, sales would be better (potential high price not withstanding). I don’t know why the EV hater here doesn’t get what has been discussed a thousand times now but those are the simple facts. 

    4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Well if Chevy can sell one additional Bolt in America next year they can claim a boom in EV sales.  The Oasis Blue with white dash combo sounds spectacular.

    Seriously... real question... the Chevy Bolt is a sweet little CUV... it has the friendliest demeanor and it comes across as easiest to use out of all the EVs out there... and it is not selling.  This should be construed as a clue in a sensible world.  What was that report... $13k/unit lost on every Bolt they sell?  Would be a Herculean feat to turn that number into a positive $1.00... when ppl are not displaying a propensity to drop everything and bolt into their local Chevy dealer to snatch these up.

    Diesels don’t sell for $h! here either and their issues have cost manufacturers BILLIONS. Guess, by your logic, we should give those up too right?

    Just for you @ocnblu, this article covers the issues facing the Bolt perfectly. Read it, understand it, and move on from your endless troll act. 

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2019/07/21/chevy-bolt-the-best-ev-youve-never-heard-of--still/amp/

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    I'm not a modern car styling fan but I think the Bolt looks fine, certainly no worse than any other in it's size class.

    But to those saying the 'Bolt doesn't sell well' are all wrong. This is the typical filter a GM vehicle must always go thru- "it must sell in the 100s of thousands because it's a GM, or it's a flop". Doesn't work that way, certainly not now.

    Tesla aside (and there, really only the Model 3 applies), the Bolt sells very well…. FOR AN ELECTRIC. The problem is NOT marketing or the looks or the price, it's the #4 selling BEV in the country. It outsells the Model S and is neck & neck with the Model X.

    The problem is electrics don't sell well compared to IC vehicles. AT ALL. The Bolt is electric. Duh.    

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    8 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    It looks like a CUV yet it offers nothing that other CUVs offer, like AWD or 4WD. That kills a huge subsection of potential CUV buyers looking to go green

    Nissan Kicks (FWD only CUV of small stature) 2019 YTD through the second quarter:  29263

    Chevy Bolt (FWD only CUV of small stature) 2019 YTD through the second quarter:  8281.

     

    Surreal, don't think I don't remember when you dug in your heels insisting the Bolt IS NOT a CUV... now you say it is.

    8 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    sales would be better

    LOL so you were a lot jockey at a dealership for five minutes last year.  How many times do we need to hear this.  I've worked at dealerships every working day since March, 1993.

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    1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

    Nissan Kicks (FWD only CUV of small stature) 2019 YTD through the second quarter:  29263

    Chevy Bolt (FWD only CUV of small stature) 2019 YTD through the second quarter:  8281.

     

    Surreal, don't think I don't remember when you dug in your heels insisting the Bolt IS NOT a CUV... now you say it is.

    LOL so you were a lot jockey at a dealership for five minutes last year.  How many times do we need to hear this.  I've worked at dealerships every working day since March, 1993.

    I don’t give two $h!s what you think I remember. No AWD or 4WD option equals tall wagon. Again, regardless of the ONE GM page you found said, their own window stickers say “Wagon” and they were not once marketed as a CUV. And your reading comprehension is lacking as usual  I said that it “looks like a CUV” not that it was a CUV and that CUV buyers will not look twice at it SINCE IT IS NOT A CUV! Understand it now? Big difference there that even a five year old could figure out.

     

    And comparing a car that’s half the price of the Bolt (your Kicks reference)? That takes a special kind of stretching to say the least. 

     

    Just keep that level of ignorance to yourself next time. 

    1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

    Nissan Kicks (FWD only CUV of small stature) 2019 YTD through the second quarter:  29263

    Chevy Bolt (FWD only CUV of small stature) 2019 YTD through the second quarter:  8281.

     

    Surreal, don't think I don't remember when you dug in your heels insisting the Bolt IS NOT a CUV... now you say it is.

    LOL so you were a lot jockey at a dealership for five minutes last year.  How many times do we need to hear this.  I've worked at dealerships every working day since March, 1993.

    Wtf does my previous job have anything to do with this conversation? The answer is “nothing”. Personally I find it sad that you’ve done it for 26 years yet come off as spectacularly ignorant towards a huge subsection of cars but that laugh fest is for another time.

     

    For the record though, I’ve worked at three different dealerships in two states in the last eighteen years, two of those in sales. Doesn’t change any facts mentioned here so keep that condescending BS to yourself.

     

    Speaking of “how many times”  

    How many times do we need that you hate EVs? You talk the talk but sure as hell cant walk the walk. Just more juvenile snowflake bull$h!. 

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    Honestly @balthazar covered it pretty damn well. The resident hater, that never offers anything to an EV discussion other than snarky remarks and trolling, should read that three times before joining in an adult discussion again. 

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    For all the hiccups in gaining a solid foothold in the US, EVs and alternative fuel vehicles are doing far better than anything Diesel which is only propped by pick up sales with a few van sales sprinkled in for good measure. They are non-existent in CUVs and sedans. Funny how those dismal sales aren’t brought up by EV haters with the same vigor that is presented here. 

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    ^ I wonder what the parameters for categorizing were used in the above. I ask because insideevs.com states 87,459 electrics were sold in Q2 2019. 

    Which means: 337,098 - 87,459 = 249,639 vehicles were non gas, non diesel AND non-electric.

    Even looking at the chart above ::
    BEV sedans: 60K,  SUVs: 6K
    hybrid sedans: 54K, SUVs: 67K
    plug-in sedans: 17K, SUVs: 5K
    only equals 209K, not 337K.


    What's going on there?

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    56 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    ^ I wonder what the parameters for categorizing were used in the above. I ask because insideevs.com states 87,459 electrics were sold in Q2 2019. 

    Which means: 337,098 - 87,459 = 249,639 vehicles were non gas, non diesel AND non-electric.

    Even looking at the chart above ::
    BEV sedans: 60K,  SUVs: 6K
    hybrid sedans: 54K, SUVs: 67K
    plug-in sedans: 17K, SUVs: 5K
    only equals 209K, not 337K.


    What's going on there?

    Sorry. Meant to source that. 

    https://www.dieselforum.org/vehiclesales/u-s-vehicle-sales-dashboard

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    22 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Final part is IGNORANCE with a BIG DOSE of a lack to learn and understand changing technology.

    Disagree.  Totally.  Just for the record I like the Chevy Bolt.  Wouldn't own one, that is a given, but it is a much friendlier example of the genre than anything Tesla could dream up.

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