So, if I’m reading this right, the Voyager will be the same body style as the Pacifica? 

Why doesn’t FCA just come out and say “We really don’t give two farts about Dodge and it’s survival”?

3 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

So, if I’m reading this right, the Voyager will be the same body style as the Pacifica? 

 

Why doesn’t FCA just come out and say “We really don’t give two farts about Dodge and it’s survival”?

The picture of the blue minivan in the article is the Voyager. 

6 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The picture of the blue minivan in the article is the Voyager. 

That’s what I thought. I get the Chrysler strategy behind this but abandoning the Caravan seems like a harbinger of things to come for Dodge. Absolutely no new product in the pipeline outside of just talk from FCA. That’s damn near criminal. 

Wonder how long and which ones will last the CUV craze? Could it be FCA, Toyota, Honda and Hyundai still or will it reduce down to 1 or 2 only? 🤔

I really have to wonder if if Kia will keep making the Sedona based on the sales figures of less than 20k a year in the US, especially now that they have what appears to be a very popular three row CUV.

45 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

That’s what I thought. I get the Chrysler strategy behind this but abandoning the Caravan seems like a harbinger of things to come for Dodge. Absolutely no new product in the pipeline outside of just talk from FCA. That’s damn near criminal. 

Wouldn’t surprise me if the next gen Durango becomes a Chrysler Aspen.  I have no idea what they are doing but to make the Caravan until May 2020 when production of this generation started in 2007 is pretty nuts.

I don’t get why you creat a new model to advertise when it is the same as the Pacifica for $4k less.  

What Chrysler should have done is decontented the Pacifica and stripped it down and then charged $20k more for it like Porsche does.   A 2 seat Pacifica Superlegerra with no carpeting or stereo would be money.

The next generation Durango is going to be a Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer.

Miss miss the Caravan though....still like the style!!!

Sometimes I feel that Fiat knows less about American market product than Daimler did. Daimler at least flooded the product pipeline and was very forward looking with crossovers and new concepts - maybe they were a little too early. Daimler's problem was that they thought American product ought to be done as cheaply as possible - damn styling and interior quality. Fiat on the other hand will put a lot of capital in just a few products - but their brand strategy is very confusing and diluted. In either scenario, I'm not sure the guys at Auburn Hills ever have much say. 93-99 was really the golden era and will never return.

If the Dodge brand is still around in 5 years, it will just be the Charger and Challenger I suspect. 

6 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Wouldn’t surprise me if the next gen Durango becomes a Chrysler Aspen.  I have no idea what they are doing but to make the Caravan until May 2020 when production of this generation started in 2007 is pretty nuts.

I don’t get why you creat a new model to advertise when it is the same as the Pacifica for $4k less.  

What Chrysler should have done is decontented the Pacifica and stripped it down and then charged $20k more for it like Porsche does.   A 2 seat Pacifica Superlegerra with no carpeting or stereo would be money.

The Chrysler Voyager should be $10K less to start, not $4K.  The 2-seat Pacifica Superlegerra is SO NOT CHRYSLER.

10 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The next generation Durango is going to be a Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer.

True, and the 300 is supposed to die so Chrysler will be a brand with 2 minivans?  And no other product?   Doesn’t seem like a good business model.

8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

True, and the 300 is supposed to die so Chrysler will be a brand with 2 minivans?  And no other product?   Doesn’t seem like a good business model.

Since Ram and Jeep are so strong, they can support two small brands (if they jettison the walking dead Italian brands). 

The solution to saving Chrysler is clear to anyone who isn't actually at Chrysler. 

Take the Pacifica platform and build premuim crossovers out of it. 

Build a premium crossover out of the Cherokee.

Notice I didn't say full luxury, but at least take on Buick and some of Lincoln (though I think Lincoln is moving up fast in the world)

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The solution to saving Chrysler is clear to anyone who isn't actually at Chrysler. 

Take the Pacifica platform and build premuim crossovers out of it. 

Build a premium crossover out of the Cherokee.

 

Notice I didn't say full luxury, but at least take on Buick and some of Lincoln (though I think Lincoln is moving up fast in the world)

All true.  Too bad GM will not do the right thing and make Cadillac take on RR/Bentley while Buick takes on MB/BMW/Audi/Lexus.

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The solution to saving Chrysler is clear to anyone who isn't actually at Chrysler. 

Take the Pacifica platform and build premuim crossovers out of it. 

Build a premium crossover out of the Cherokee.

 

Notice I didn't say full luxury, but at least take on Buick and some of Lincoln (though I think Lincoln is moving up fast in the world)

Couldn’t they use the Georgio platform for crossovers?  

I don’t think it is as simple as give Chrysler crossovers however.  Most of Jeep’s and Alfa’s crossovers are down this year, the market is shrinking and everyone else has 6-7 crossovers per brand.  

I don’t think a Pacifica based crossover would make any dent in the market, although it would be a better idea than trying to sell the Voyager and current Journey and 300.

1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

All true.  Too bad GM will not do the right thing and make Cadillac take on RR/Bentley while Buick takes on MB/BMW/Audi/Lexus.

Cadillac can’t even take on Mercedes/Lexus, how is Buick supposed to?   

Buick will probably become an SUV only brand in the USA, leaving Cadillac as the only sedan options above the Malibu at GM when the Impala dies.  The CT4 will probably start at $30k so you don’t really need a Buick sedan unless it is so cheap to  rebadge a Malibu into a Lacrosse then why not.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Couldn’t they use the Georgio platform for crossovers?  

I don’t think it is as simple as give Chrysler crossovers however.  Most of Jeep’s and Alfa’s crossovers are down this year, the market is shrinking and everyone else has 6-7 crossovers per brand.  

I don’t think a Pacifica based crossover would make any dent in the market, although it would be a better idea than trying to sell the Voyager and current Journey and 300.

Big, people mover, crossovers are in right now and FCA only has one, the Durango.  A Pacifica based one would compete with the upper end Pilots, Traverse High Country, and Buick Enclave.  Probably the Palisade and Telluride as well. It would bring in $$$$

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Big, people mover, crossovers are in right now and FCA only has one, the Durango.  A Pacifica based one would compete with the upper end Pilots, Traverse High Country, and Buick Enclave.  Probably the Palisade and Telluride as well. It would bring in $$$$

Daimler tried that with the original Pacifica that was a 6 seat crossover (sort of crossover) and the full size Aspen.  And both got killed off after 1 generation.  

The problem is I don’t think many people want a Chrysler SUV when they can buy a more reliable Honda or Toyota product or buy a Hyundai/Kia with a better warranty, or a rwd based Explorer or the other 10 SUVs in that segment.  Chrysler does nothing well to steal buyers.

I never understood why they killed the first Pacifica. It might have been a little ahead of it's time for a crossover that size. The Aspen was just ugly.

On 7/24/2019 at 11:38 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

The picture of the blue minivan in the article is the Voyager. 

............................ isn't that a Pacifica?  With the Chrysler logo/wings on it?!

On 7/24/2019 at 5:52 PM, Robert Hall said:

If the Dodge brand is still around in 5 years, it will just be the Charger and Challenger I suspect. 

Riding on the same LX platform.... 😉 

Not that it is a bad thing though......

37 minutes ago, Paolino said:

............................ isn't that a Pacifica?  With the Chrysler logo/wings on it?!

Voyager is just the lowest trim of a Pacifica. They use the same body.

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Voyager is just the lowest trim of a Pacifica. They use the same body.

Kinda wish it was different  somehow....

My guess is that it is keeping those shifts running with something they can lease special.....

8 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Kinda wish it was different  somehow....

My guess is that it is keeping those shifts running with something they can lease special.....

The Pacifica had those trims before.  They're just separating the lower end trims from the Pacifica.  They are dropping the base price by about $2,000, so I'm sure some content is coming out of it. 

Wonder what they will do with the Hybrid? 🤔