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    Rumorpile: Current Dodge Journey To Soldier on for Two More Years

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      The current Dodge Journey will soldier on till 2018

    2016 was supposed to be the year when the current Dodge Journey would head off into the sunset and a new version would appear, using the CUSW platform that underpins a number of FCA vehicles. But a source tells Automotive News that the current Journey will continue for a couple more years.

     

    The source explained the 2017 and 2018 Journey will retain the JC body code. In FCA's internal model nomenclature system, the vehicle's body code only changes when it is redesigned for a new platform.

     

    Why is FCA extending the lifecycle of the Journey? Redesigning the Journey would have meant production of the vehicle would have moved from Toluca, Mexico to either Sterling Heights, MI or Belvidere, Illinois; homes to 200 and Dart. But with FCA outsourcing production of the next-generation Chrysler 200 and Dodge Dart - models that use the CUSW platform - has caused the company to rethink their overall strategy.

     

    A spokeswoman for Dodge declined to comment.

     

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    Does Dodge or even Ram have anything that's even remotely new at this point? 

     

    Nope. 

     

    Make one wonder how their earnings can be so low with such dated vehicles. FCA should be raking in Gross/Net. But reports show differently.

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    Does Dodge or even Ram have anything that's even remotely new at this point? 

     

    I don't believe so.

     

    I don't want to sound all fan-boy-like but why in the hell so people buy their stuff, for the most part???? I know none of it is junk but it's all just about out classed by everything else because of how stagnant they let their stuff get. Their bread and butter Ram 1500 is actually just getting old at this point. The other two just seem so much better overall to me.

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    I wonder if Chrysler has any new vehicles in development after the Pacifica, Compass, and Wrangler, maybe the Grand Wagoneer.  People on allpar talk about Giulia based 300, Challenger, and Charger in 2019 as well as new Dodge and Chrysler crossovers, but I wonder if that is just vaporware. 

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    I wonder if Chrysler has any new vehicles in development after the Pacifica, Compass, and Wrangler, maybe the Grand Wagoneer.  People on allpar talk about Giulia based 300, Challenger, and Charger in 2019 as well as new Dodge and Chrysler crossovers, but I wonder if that is just vaporware. 

    They have lots of new products in the works.  Hellcat Grand Cherokee, Hellcat Durango, Hellcat Wrangler, Hellcat Pacifica, Hellcat Dodge Dart, Hellcat Fiat 500, etc.  All you have to do is put a monster V8 in a super dated and otherwise lackluster product and jack the price up and watch the sales roll in.  Every other car company that has models on 6-7 year cycles has got it wrong.  You want vehicles on Crown Vic style 17 year life cycles, throw in some body kits or new engine every 7 years as a "special edition"  this is the way to make it in the auto industry.  

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    I wonder if Chrysler has any new vehicles in development after the Pacifica, Compass, and Wrangler, maybe the Grand Wagoneer. People on allpar talk about Giulia based 300, Challenger, and Charger in 2019 as well as new Dodge and Chrysler crossovers, but I wonder if that is just vaporware.

    They have lots of new products in the works. Hellcat Grand Cherokee, Hellcat Durango, Hellcat Wrangler, Hellcat Pacifica, Hellcat Dodge Dart, Hellcat Fiat 500, etc. All you have to do is put a monster V8 in a super dated and otherwise lackluster product and jack the price up and watch the sales roll in. Every other car company that has models on 6-7 year cycles has got it wrong. You want vehicles on Crown Vic style 17 year life cycles, throw in some body kits or new engine every 7 years as a "special edition" this is the way to make it in the auto industry.

    Hahaha I knew i was forgetting something! Edited by ccap41
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    We just had a what would your rather buy thread on this same vehicle.

     

    Fiat I feel is the worst parent to date of Chrysler. That's not something one does easily. 

     

    You know, when GM committed billions to Cadillac - the division had to prove they would be profitable and pay for themselves. 

     

    This is the complete opposite. 

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    I have to imagine the only FCA brands that make any measurable amount of profit are Jeep and Ram.  Jeep they can sell world wide with good margins.  Ram has pickups that make money, and the Promaster and Promaster City were already developed and paid for by Fiat, so it just lets them sell more to recoup cost.  Everything else they sell needs big rebates or fleet sales to move metal.  Alfa sells like 900 cars a year in the US, that has to lose money, Fiat has no sales and with subcompact prices, plus import costs, that has to lose money.

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    Sergio always talked of market oversaturation, lack of common architetures, etc...

     

    and probably never realized that his company was probably the biggest contributor to those problems facing the industry.

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    I wonder if Chrysler has any new vehicles in development after the Pacifica, Compass, and Wrangler, maybe the Grand Wagoneer.  People on allpar talk about Giulia based 300, Challenger, and Charger in 2019 as well as new Dodge and Chrysler crossovers, but I wonder if that is just vaporware. 

    They have lots of new products in the works.  Hellcat Grand Cherokee, Hellcat Durango, Hellcat Wrangler, Hellcat Pacifica, Hellcat Dodge Dart, Hellcat Fiat 500, etc.  All you have to do is put a monster V8 in a super dated and otherwise lackluster product and jack the price up and watch the sales roll in.  Every other car company that has models on 6-7 year cycles has got it wrong.  You want vehicles on Crown Vic style 17 year life cycles, throw in some body kits or new engine every 7 years as a "special edition"  this is the way to make it in the auto industry.  

     

    So the Hellcat lineup is the AMG of Fiat/Chrysler/Doge/Jeep? Just slap the label on any old car and call it day and the suckers will gladly overpay for it? Sounds right to me.

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    Sergio proof that he is an Idiot and failing in leading FCA. Rapes all product lines to prop up the crap Fiat brand and the history Alfa that should have stayed dead.

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    Dodge and Chrysler are doomed. They'll either die off completely, or get bought and absorbed by another brand. Jeep and Ram might be okay.

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    Dodge and Chrysler are doomed. They'll either die off completely, or get bought and absorbed by another brand. Jeep and Ram might be okay.

    Jeep is safe no matter what, it has a lot of value. Ram Trucks might be another story.

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    ^ +1 

     

    I would agree with Bill, at one time I would have thought RAM was safe, but now they are hanging on by name and hard core loyalist. If it was not for the Cummins loyalty this line would be dead. With all very tired and aged products, Sergio is killing off everything just about. The only line I see any strong value left in is Jeep.

     

    All this to keep the Lazy socialist Italians building crap Fiats and now crap Alfas again.

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    ^ The current Ram's bones are from back in 2009 and as far as I know(which isn't sayin a lot..lol ) there's no new one in sight. 

     

    At this rate I could almost guarantee GM and Ford AND EVEN TOYOTA AND NISSAN will have a second brand new vehicle in the time Ram finally does one update. 

     

    They're done one thing in the past few years and that was add a small diesel engine. 

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    Does Dodge or even Ram have anything that's even remotely new at this point? 

     

    I don't believe so.

     

    I don't want to sound all fan-boy-like but why in the hell so people buy their stuff, for the most part???? I know none of it is junk but it's all just about out classed by everything else because of how stagnant they let their stuff get. Their bread and butter Ram 1500 is actually just getting old at this point. The other two just seem so much better overall to me.

     

     

    The LX cars are still great and get excellent fuel economy for their size... only the Avalon beats them in my experience, but the Avalon has other downsides.  The 200S and 200C are excellent as well as long as you're not shopping for cubic feet of passenger room. 

     

    And even though the Journey is old, they've kept it fairly updated... it's the only vehicle of that size with a V6 (plus if you like the power, minus if you're looking for fuel economy) and it is one of the least expensive vehicles you can get with a 3rd row unless you go with a Mitsubishi. The 4-cylinder is meh, but there's nothing inherently bad about the car. 

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    I wonder if Chrysler has any new vehicles in development after the Pacifica, Compass, and Wrangler, maybe the Grand Wagoneer.  People on allpar talk about Giulia based 300, Challenger, and Charger in 2019 as well as new Dodge and Chrysler crossovers, but I wonder if that is just vaporware. 

    They have lots of new products in the works.  Hellcat Grand Cherokee, Hellcat Durango, Hellcat Wrangler, Hellcat Pacifica, Hellcat Dodge Dart, Hellcat Fiat 500, etc.  All you have to do is put a monster V8 in a super dated and otherwise lackluster product and jack the price up and watch the sales roll in.  Every other car company that has models on 6-7 year cycles has got it wrong.  You want vehicles on Crown Vic style 17 year life cycles, throw in some body kits or new engine every 7 years as a "special edition"  this is the way to make it in the auto industry.  

     

    So the Hellcat lineup is the AMG of Fiat/Chrysler/Doge/Jeep? Just slap the label on any old car and call it day and the suckers will gladly overpay for it? Sounds right to me.

     

    AMG engines aren't put into super dated, uncompetitive vehicles though.   The base cars are actually good and sell.

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    I do have to agree with Drew....it's not a great car, but there is really nothing bad about it either. It is old school, but  I have to say it's pretty easy to drive for it's size.

     

    As long as they can make some money on it....

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    That's of bad taste...

     

    I love both Hellcat and AMG, but there is a time and place to make a performance variant of every car.

     

    And arguably, AMG because of the new E43 name introduces a relatively fuel-efficient engine for the first time.


    Oh yeah, the Journey is excellent on the value for money quotient. New car, warranty, lots of them out there, good supplier base, if it breaks, it can be fixed.

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    Does Dodge or even Ram have anything that's even remotely new at this point? 

     

    I don't believe so.

     

    I don't want to sound all fan-boy-like but why in the hell so people buy their stuff, for the most part???? I know none of it is junk but it's all just about out classed by everything else because of how stagnant they let their stuff get. Their bread and butter Ram 1500 is actually just getting old at this point. The other two just seem so much better overall to me.

     

     

    The LX cars are still great and get excellent fuel economy for their size... only the Avalon beats them in my experience, but the Avalon has other downsides.  The 200S and 200C are excellent as well as long as you're not shopping for cubic feet of passenger room. 

     

    And even though the Journey is old, they've kept it fairly updated... it's the only vehicle of that size with a V6 (plus if you like the power, minus if you're looking for fuel economy) and it is one of the least expensive vehicles you can get with a 3rd row unless you go with a Mitsubishi. The 4-cylinder is meh, but there's nothing inherently bad about the car. 

     

     

    The LX cars are just so...old... now though. Isn't everything around it at least 3-5 years newer? I know they just had a big refresh a year or so ago to make it look more modern(and they do look pretty dang good). 

     

    The 200 is leaving.

     

    Journey is being compared to a Mitsubishi.. 'nuff said. Hahaha

     

    http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2009-nissan-murano-vs-ford-edge-dodge-journey-mazda-cx-7-and-hyundai-santa-fe-comparison-tests

     

    Back in 2009 they still had it ranked poorly! I'll admit, some of this is bias as the Journey is one of my least favorite vehicles ever, let alone still being made and sold. It's like a van with different doors. I feel like there was zero effort to give it any style or character. They just slapped the cross-like grill on a very standard shaped box.

    Yes, it's got space for days for the dollar but that's about it. At least that is the only selling point that I can see. Space:Dollar ratio is favorable. 

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    That's of bad taste...

     

    I love both Hellcat and AMG, but there is a time and place to make a performance variant of every car.

     

    And arguably, AMG because of the new E43 name introduces a relatively fuel-efficient engine for the first time.

    Oh yeah, the Journey is excellent on the value for money quotient. New car, warranty, lots of them out there, good supplier base, if it breaks, it can be fixed.

    It's got a warranty and a good supplier base, sweet car purchase. Hahaha I kid I kid.

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      FCA to Expand Production Capacity in Michigan to Grow Core Brands, Electrify Jeep® Vehicles

      $4.5 Billion to Build New Assembly Plant in Detroit and Add Production at Five Existing Michigan Facilities, Creating Nearly 6,500 Jobs
       
      FCA total committed investments in the U.S. grow to nearly $14.5 billion since 2009, with nearly 30,000 jobs created to date Investment would be next step in Company’s U.S. industrialization plan, announced in 2016 to expand Jeep® and Ram brands Introduces two new Jeep-branded “white space” products in key market segments Enables electrification of new Jeep models $1.6 billion investment would convert Mack Avenue Engine Complex into manufacturing site for next-generation Jeep Grand Cherokee and an all-new three-row full-size Jeep SUV, creating 3,850 new jobs $900 million investment at Jefferson North to retool and modernize plant for continued production of Dodge Durango and next-generation Jeep Grand Cherokee with 1,100 new jobs expected Warren Truck 2017 investment increases to $1.5 billion for production of all-new Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer, as well as continued assembly of Ram 1500 Classic with addition of 1,400 new jobs All three assembly sites would also produce plug-in hybrid versions of their respective Jeep models with flexibility to build fully battery-electric models in the future Sterling Stamping and Warren Stamping plants to receive more than $400 million total investment to support additional production, potentially creating about 80 new jobs at Sterling $119 million investment to relocate Pentastar engine production currently at Mack I to the Dundee Engine Plant; production at Mack would end by Q3 2019 Projects contingent on land acquisition and the negotiation of development incentives with the cities of Detroit, Sterling Heights, Warren, Dundee and state of Michigan City of Detroit has 60 days to deliver on commitments outlined in Memorandum of Understanding related to Mack and Jefferson North projects February 26, 2019 , London - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles N.V. (NYSE: FCAU / MTA: FCA) confirmed today plans to invest a total of $4.5 billion in five of its existing Michigan plants, and to work with the city of Detroit and state of Michigan on building a new assembly plant within city limits. The move would increase capacity to meet growing demand for its Jeep® and Ram brands, including production of two new Jeep-branded white space products, as well as electrified models. The proposed projects would create nearly 6,500 new jobs.

      The plant actions detailed in today’s announcement represent the next steps in a U.S. manufacturing realignment that FCA began in 2016. In response to a shift in consumer demand toward SUVs and trucks, the Company discontinued compact car production and retooled plants in Illinois, Ohio and Michigan to make full use of available capacity to expand the Jeep and Ram brands. Those actions have resulted in the recent launches of the award-winning all-new Jeep Wrangler and all-new Ram 1500, and the introduction of the newest member of the Jeep family, the all-new Jeep Gladiator, at the 2018 Los Angeles Auto Show.

      “Three years ago, FCA set a course to grow our profitability based on the strength of the Jeep and Ram brands by realigning our U.S. manufacturing operations,” said Mike Manley, Chief Executive Officer, FCA N.V. “Today’s announcement represents the next step in that strategy. It allows Jeep to enter two white space segments that offer significant margin opportunities and will enable new electrified Jeep products, including at least four plug-in hybrid vehicles and the flexibility to produce fully battery-electric vehicles.”

      The city of Detroit has 60 days to meet the terms of a Memorandum of Understanding, which requires the acquisition of property critical to the execution of the Mack project. The additional investments are subject to the successful negotiation and final approval of development packages with the state and other local governments.

      Plant Investment Details
      FCA would invest $1.6 billion to convert the two plants that comprise the Mack Avenue Engine Complex into the future assembly site for the next-generation Jeep Grand Cherokee, as well as an all-new three-row full-size Jeep SUV and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) models, adding 3,850 new jobs to support production. The Company intends to start construction of the new Detroit facility by the end of Q2 2019 with the first three-row vehicles expected to roll off the line by the end of 2020, followed by the all-new Grand Cherokee in the first half of 2021.

      Also as part of this announcement, the Jefferson North Assembly Plant would receive an investment of $900 million to retool and modernize the facility to build the Dodge Durango and next-generation Jeep Grand Cherokee. FCA expects to create 1,100 new jobs at Jefferson North.

      The reborn Mack facility would be the first new assembly plant to be built in the city of Detroit in nearly three decades. In 1991, Jefferson North was the last new assembly plant built in the city. When complete, Mack would join Jefferson North as the only automotive assembly plants to be located completely within the city limits of Detroit.

      The Pentastar engines – the 3.6-, 3.2- and 3.0-liter – currently built at Mack I would be relocated to the Dundee Engine Plant as part of a $119 million investment. Pentastar production at Mack I would end by Q3 2019. Mack II has been idle since it ceased production of the 3.7-liter V-6 in September 2012.

      FCA also confirms the investment at Warren Truck to retool for production of the all-new Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer, announced in 2017, along with their electrified counterparts, would increase to $1.5 billion. Production is expected to launch in early 2021. In addition to the new Jeep models, the plant would continue building the Ram 1500 Classic, which is being extended to meet market demand. It is expected that 1,400 new jobs would be added. As a result of this investment announcement, production of the all-new Ram Heavy Duty will continue at its current location in Saltillo, Mexico.

      To support the additional production, the Company’s Warren Stamping (Warren, Michigan) and Sterling Stamping (Sterling Heights, Michigan) plants would receive investments of $245 million and $160 million, respectively, with Sterling Stamping expected to add more than 80 new jobs.

      This investment is part of the Company's capital spending plan presented in June 2018.

      Realignment of FCA U.S. Manufacturing Operations
      Over the past two years, FCA has realigned production at four plants in Illinois, Ohio and Michigan to increase capacity for the Jeep Cherokee, Jeep Wrangler and Ram 1500 light-duty truck, and created additional manufacturing capacity for the Jeep Gladiator in Ohio.

      The investments included:  $350 million in the Belvidere Assembly Plant (Illinois) to produce the Jeep Cherokee, which moved from Toledo, Ohio, in 2017. More than 300 new jobs were added to support production, which launched in June 2017. $700 million in the Toledo Assembly Complex (Ohio) to retool the North plant to produce the next-generation Jeep Wrangler. Approximately 700 new jobs were added to support production, which began in December 2017. $1.48 billion in the Sterling Heights Assembly Plant (Michigan) to build the next-generation Ram 1500 truck, adding more than 700 new jobs. Production of the new truck began in March 2018. Production of the Ram 1500 Classic continues at Warren Truck (Michigan). $273 million in the south plant of the Toledo Assembly Complex to prepare the facility to produce the all-new Jeep Gladiator. The new truck is scheduled to launch in the first half of 2019.   In total, FCA has committed to invest nearly $14.5 billion in its U.S. manufacturing operations, creating nearly 30,000 new jobs since June 2009.
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