Jump to content
  • William Maley
    William Maley

    General Motors Accidentally Releases, Then Deletes Info On Updated Duramax V8

    Sign in to follow this  

      We get our first clues as to what the next Duramax V8 is producing

    The seemingly never-ending diesel heavy-duty truck war is back in force with Ford announcing the power figures for the F-Series Super Duty back in the summer. We were wondering when either FCA or GM would strike back. Well GM did this over the weekend by accidently and then subsequently deleting the figures for the next-generation Duramax V8 diesel.

    Truck Trend got screenshots of GM Powertrain's website where the details of the L5P 6.6L Duramax turbodiesel are there to see: 445 horsepower and 910 pound-feet of torque. Compared the 6.7L PowerStoke V8 found in the 2017 F-Series Super Duty, the updated Duramax produces 5 more horsepower but is slight behind in torque (15 down from the PowerStroke's 925 pound-feet).

    We know for sure that the new Duramax will debut a new air intake system (you can see the new hood scoop in the picture above). More air is a good thing as it means better cooling and more power.

    The Texas State Fair is this week and it has become a showplace for the various truck manufacturers to make big announcements. We wouldn't be shocked if General Motors debuts the new Duramax there.

    Source: Truck Trend

    Sign in to follow this  


    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    14 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Cool, Nice looking truck, but I am excited to see the GMC Diesel. Those I have always liked better. :D

    Ask and ye shall receive. 

    2017-GMC-Sierra Denali-2500HD-001-1.jpg

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    With those power figures so similar I'm curious about the characteristics of each engine/trans combo. Mostly because the 5hp advantage but 15tq disadvantage the Duramax has just sounds like a slightly awkward swing when it comes to diesels so I'm curious what their dynos look like.

    2 minutes ago, William Maley said:

    Ask and ye shall receive. 

    2017-GMC-Sierra Denali-2500HD-001-1.jpg

    Hood looks GREAT. Now, if they could NOT outline the vent in chrome that would be nice.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    3 hours ago, William Maley said:

    Ask and ye shall receive. 

    2017-GMC-Sierra Denali-2500HD-001-1.jpg

    That is freaking lovely, sex on wheels! :metal:

    Thank you:bowdown:

    3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    With those power figures so similar I'm curious about the characteristics of each engine/trans combo. Mostly because the 5hp advantage but 15tq disadvantage the Duramax has just sounds like a slightly awkward swing when it comes to diesels so I'm curious what their dynos look like.

    Hood looks GREAT. Now, if they could NOT outline the vent in chrome that would be nice.

    Being the Denali edition, I expected all the Chrome, but I have to imagine that this in basic or mid trim form would be more monochromatic.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    It's crazy that these pick ups have over 900 lb-ft of torque now.  I remember about 15 years ago when a Silverado or Ford diesel truck had like 450 lb-ft and that was considered a lot.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    4 years later and they were already over 600 lb-ft.

     

    3 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    It's crazy that these pick ups have over 900 lb-ft of torque now.  I remember about 15 years ago when a Silverado or Ford diesel truck had like 450 lb-ft and that was considered a lot.

    This is the 34yr chart I love to look at and see just how far and how fast in the last 10 years we have really come.

    DieselTorqueWars.jpg

    If picture is too small for you to read, go to the web page here:

    http://www.dieselhub.com/compare/cummins-vs-duramax-vs-powerstroke.html 

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 hour ago, Scout said:

    I keep waiting for one of them to boast numbers at or over 1000. 

    Probably for the 2018 model year. I bet someone will say we have 1001 Foot pounds of torque. :P

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    And the power wars with useless figures continues. When is this going to stop? Loads aren't getting heavier.

    because penises are getting tinier. 

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    9 minutes ago, bigpoolog said:

    because penises are getting tinier. 

    Was wondering when the Official Measurer was going to weigh in on this subject! ;)

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I'd day most people buying these trucks have no business moving the loads the trucks are capable of hauling/towing. Im sure they have no training in regards to managing loads that heavy.  Advertised towing of 30,000 pounds on a pickup is crazy.  If you are constantly towing that much you should be in at least a class 5 rig. Class 6 would be even better. 

    You can't even use the capabilities of these trucks without endorsements on your license. But I dont expect many of the buyers to know that either.  Hopefully some owner of one of these trucks don't put others in danger because of a salesman and TV comersial. 

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    They keep increasing power to levels that are beyond what a pick up truck needs and are getting more into medium duty commercial truck area.  So what does that do to weight and cost of the pick ups?  There is a point when it is senseless, if the Silverado HD diesel is like $70,000, doesn't really matter if it has 1,000 lb-ft if no one can afford it.

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    11 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    They keep increasing power to levels that are beyond what a pick up truck needs and are getting more into medium duty commercial truck area.  So what does that do to weight and cost of the pick ups?  There is a point when it is senseless, if the Silverado HD diesel is like $70,000, doesn't really matter if it has 1,000 lb-ft if no one can afford it.

    You can almost say the same exact thing word for word with the Mustang and Camaro(and maybe if the Challenger ever get's redone). Their power levels are about race car levels, not many can really extract their performance out of them, prices are outrageous...

    Edited by ccap41
    • Upvote 2

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    3 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    ...if the Silverado HD diesel is like $70,000, doesn't really matter if it has 1,000 lb-ft if no one can afford it.

    Wut? Truck approach these prices right now, and the truck lines outsell anything else on the market. Weight is also not an issue; I don't believe the Duramax power train is any heavier after going from 450 TRQ to 900 TRQ.

    2 hours ago, balthazar said:

     

     

    Edited by balthazar

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    If you are one of the many who dismiss the need for working trucks to tow and haul safer and easier, yet praise 707hp coupes for quadrupling speed limits....raise your hands.

     

    Meh, don't bother, we already know.

     

    Kudos to GM for offering it's working customers, you know, those who actually buy and use the products....exactly what they are asking for.

     

     

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    You can almost say the same exact thing word for word with the Mustang and Camaro(and maybe if the Challenger ever get's redone). Their power levels are about race car levels, not many can really extract their performance out of them, prices are outrageous...

    I have said this about the Mustang and Camaro also.  If the Camaro is $60,000, it isn't really a Camaro anymore.  The Camaro used to be priced like a Malibu or Monte Carlo, it is was middle price Chevy, not they want Cadillac prices for it.  If you want a $60,000 sports car that is why the Corvette exists.  It would be nice if they offered a cheaper sports car if they are going to push Camaro and Corvette up market, but at the same time, sports car sales are dropping across the board, so it probably isn't worth it.

    • Upvote 2

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Camaro starts @ $25.9K. Malibu starts @ $21.6K. They are both below the new car ATP and in the same ballpark.

    Where the picture differs is that there are that many more layers above the base Camaro now, and that many less in the Malibu line. That's where the Camaro now can earn much higher stickers in high trim levels. Good for GM, good for those who are demanding such. There is nothing equivalent to the Chevelle Malibu SS396 anymore, or there'd be correspondingly higher trims there, too. 

    And yep; a $60K Camaro is still a Camaro, just as a ZL1 Camaro was one at double it's base MSRP back in the day. Try again. 

    Edited by balthazar
    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Convertible V6 Camaro anybody? Yours for the low-low price of 50k.

    A74C1F02-608F-4FC3-AA1C-670B47B0B0DB_zps

    This was on a dash that's why the pic was so poorly executed.

    • Upvote 1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites



    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Similar Content

    • By David
      Detroit Free Press covered the annual GM Analysts call this week and with the second quarter results it showed that GM has lost $800 million in the quarter but over all North American Earnings were breakeven and this was with 8 weeks of shutdown. Over all the Stock beat wall streets estimates and yet still sold off in large numbers during the pandemic closure.
      Analysts had plenty of questions for GM with a major question of will GM consider spinning off their technology arm which would include electric vehicles operations into a stand alone company?
      The idea of a stand alone GM Tech company is to recognize the advanced tech GM has over other auto companies and to unlock what Analysts see as considerable shareholder value. This new entity would allow access to cheap new capital to keep the old GM going till the new GM would replace it as a cutting edge tech auto company with what is seen as future strong growth.
      GM has reinforced it's future of all electric auto's, self driving auto's and what it expects to become a zero emission company with 20 new EV auto's on the market by 2023, the first being out in Q1 of 2021.
      The group of Analysts has suggested the new company be called Ultium based on GM's new battery tech.
      The CEO responded that GM is evaluating many scenarios for the future of GM. She had nothing further to say other than the board and executive team will consider all options for what is best for driving long-term shareholder value. Quote: "Nothing is off the table."
      Analysts have since added notes to their research suggesting that GM could already be considering this since so many start ups are valued more than GM such as Tesla, Nikola, Rivian, etc. The Billions of cheap dollars that could help drive GM long term into the future is hard to ignore.
      Some analysts say that to split the company would kill off the baby, meaning the EV side would die after the money was harvested from the stock sale as you only have the Chevrolet Bolt and the new company would have to follow Tesla in going back to the market for more and more money. This is based on what some analysts see as only a US/Canada interest in EVs compared to the rest of the world needing ICE.
      That being said it does show a clear line between those Analysts that see Europe and China leading in new tech with a change to EV's versus those Analysts that are more inline with the oil industry and imply that there is little to no interest in EV's.
      End result is WHAT WILL GM DO?
      I suspect GM will stay the course of using ICE auto's to fund the change to an all EV world. 50 years from now, people will be wondering why it took so long to dump ICE auto's in favor of EV's.
      What are your thoughts on this?
      https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2020/08/01/gm-electric-vehicles-mary-barra/5549426002/
       
       
    • By David
      Today July 31st 2020 GM and EVgo anounced their partnership to grow the EVgo fast charging network in growing nationally fast chargers. 2,700 fast chargers will be paid for and added to the EVgo network of fast chargers nationally by 2025.
      EVgo currently has 800 fast chargers that allows EV's to fully charge battery packs from 15 to 30 mins. In support of GM's drive to be 100% renewable power, all EVgo chargers use renewable energy now and will continue for the additional 2,700 stations that are to be added to the network.
      To Quote the News Release:
      This EV charging announcement continues GM’s commitment to an all-electric future.
      The heart of GM’s strategy is a modular propulsion system and a highly flexible global EV platform powered by proprietary Ultium batteries, allowing the company to compete for nearly every customer in the market today, whether they are looking for affordable transportation, a luxury experience, work trucks or a high-performance machine. On Thursday, Aug. 6, 2020, Cadillac will reveal the luxury brand’s first fully electric vehicle, the Cadillac LYRIQ. Earlier this year, GM announced that the Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant will be GM’s first plant that is 100 percent devoted to electric vehicles and in fall 2021, will start building the new GMC HUMMER EV. GM was the first automaker to launch a long-range, affordable EV in 2017 with the Chevrolet Bolt EV and will expand on the Bolt EV’s foundation with the introduction of the Bolt EUV in 2021.  In March 2020, GM announced plans to greatly expand employee workplace charging with the addition of 3,500 new plugs at GM facilities in the U.S. and Canada. In 2019, GM announced the creation of Ultium Cells LLC, a joint venture with LG Chem to mass-produce battery cells in Ohio for future battery-electric vehicles, and that GM is working with Qmerit to create a more accessible at-home charging solution. 1 Actual charge times will vary based on battery condition, output of charger, vehicle settings and outside temperature.
      https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2020/jul/0731-evgo.html
    • By William Maley
      While the focus on the electric vehicles have been on the ultra plush and quick models from the likes of Tesla, Audi, and Jaguar, there is a lot of work being done for electric delivery vans. The combination of reduced maintenance, low fuel costs, and an abundance of torque to deal with heavy loads make them a perfect to do deliveries in urban areas. Rivian is the most-well known player here with plans to build out a fleet of electric vans for Amazon. Another player is ready to join the fight.
      Reuters reported yesterday that General Motors is working on a electric van for the commercial market. Five sources reveal that the van - codenamed BV1 - is expected to go into production late next year. It is expected to use Ultium battery technology that GM first talked about back in March. Utilizing this could solve one of the big issues with EVs, price. By switching Cobalt (expensive) for Aluminum (less expensive), GM says it will drop the cost of a battery to $100 per kilowatt-hour - making it around the same cost as regular gas powered van. Analysis done last year put the kilowatt-hour cost of a battery at $159. 
      One item still being debated internally is whether the van will be sold as Chevrolet, GMC, or a new brand. 
      When asked by Reuters, GM said it is “committed to an all-electric future and is implementing a multi-segment, scalable EV strategy to get there. At this time, we do not have any announcements to make regarding electric commercial vehicles.”
      GM isn't the only company getting on the electric van train. Ford has announced plans for an electric version of the Transit to launch in 2022, and British startup Arrival which has the backing of Hyundai, currently has an order of 10,000 vans from UPS.
      Source: Reuters

      View full article
    • By William Maley
      While the focus on the electric vehicles have been on the ultra plush and quick models from the likes of Tesla, Audi, and Jaguar, there is a lot of work being done for electric delivery vans. The combination of reduced maintenance, low fuel costs, and an abundance of torque to deal with heavy loads make them a perfect to do deliveries in urban areas. Rivian is the most-well known player here with plans to build out a fleet of electric vans for Amazon. Another player is ready to join the fight.
      Reuters reported yesterday that General Motors is working on a electric van for the commercial market. Five sources reveal that the van - codenamed BV1 - is expected to go into production late next year. It is expected to use Ultium battery technology that GM first talked about back in March. Utilizing this could solve one of the big issues with EVs, price. By switching Cobalt (expensive) for Aluminum (less expensive), GM says it will drop the cost of a battery to $100 per kilowatt-hour - making it around the same cost as regular gas powered van. Analysis done last year put the kilowatt-hour cost of a battery at $159. 
      One item still being debated internally is whether the van will be sold as Chevrolet, GMC, or a new brand. 
      When asked by Reuters, GM said it is “committed to an all-electric future and is implementing a multi-segment, scalable EV strategy to get there. At this time, we do not have any announcements to make regarding electric commercial vehicles.”
      GM isn't the only company getting on the electric van train. Ford has announced plans for an electric version of the Transit to launch in 2022, and British startup Arrival which has the backing of Hyundai, currently has an order of 10,000 vans from UPS.
      Source: Reuters
  • Posts

    • You listed 'XTS' twice, so your list would be '6'. The ATS and CTS are still right there in the catalog, they just have new generations with altered names, so your list drops to '4'. SRX was replaced with a new generation product with an altered name... so your list drops to '3'. Now add back in the brand new models XT4 and XT6. That's a net cut of ONE. Don't you need to be decent at math to work in a loan department? Those would be "failures" by your definition. You mean one of the most brutal & acclaimed performance sports sedans of all time? The one that burst into the German segment, up-ended their comfort levels and stole their market share? That 'strategy'?
    • Cadillac tried that strategy 15 years ago and it failed and they keep going for it and kept failing.  I want a Nurburgring carving auto, but most people don't buy cars like that.  And Porsche, BMW and Mercedes already have that market covered.  Cadillac needs to forge a new path.  Cadillac spent 15 years trying to be German, failed at it, time to try being American.  And interestingly enough the only successful product they made in the past 15 years is the most American and most like an old school Cadillac. With an aging population (and an overweight America) I think cars/SUVs that are easy to get in and out of (proper ride height) that are roomy and glide over bumps in our deteriorating roads and have good torque for smooth acceleration would do well.  EV's give you torque, roomy and quiet interior, so going al EV gets them half way there, if they can put together the other half and get the marketing.   Because not only has it been a long time since I rock and rolled, it has been a long time since Cadillac made a good ad.  
  • Social Stream

  • Who's Online (See full list)

    There are no registered users currently online

  • My Clubs

About us

CheersandGears.com - Founded 2001

We ♥ Cars

Get in touch

Follow us

Recent tweets

facebook

×
×
  • Create New...