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    General Motors To Begin Testing Autonomous Vehicles In Michigan Immedately

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      If you see a Chevrolet Bolt with loads of equipment operating in Metro Detroit, it is likely an autonomous test vehicle


    Almost a week after the state of Michigan signed into law a series of bills that allow for the testing of autonomous vehicles on public roads, General Motors announced today that it would begin testing them immediately. The plan will see GM beginning to test vehicles on road the company's technical center in Warren, MI. In due course, the testing will move to the metro Detroit area. During a press conference today, CEO Mary Barra said Detroit would be GM's primary test area for snow and cold-weather driving.

    “Revolutionizing transportation for our customers while improving safety on roads is the goal of our autonomous vehicle technology, and today’s announcement gets us one step closer to making this vision a reality. Our autonomous technology will be reliable and safe, as customers have come to expect from any of our vehicles,” said Barra in a statement.

    Along with this, General Motors is assigning the Orion assembly plant to build the next-generation autonomous testing vehicles. They'll be based on the Chevrolet Bolt EV and come equipped with LiDAR, cameras, sensors and other hardware required for full autonomy. The vehicles will be used in Detroit, San Francisco, and Scottsdale, Arizona. Currently, GM has 40 test vehicles operating in San Francisco and Scottsdale.

    Source: General Motors
    Press Release is on Page 2


    GM to Start Autonomous Vehicle Manufacturing and Testing in Michigan

    DETROIT — On the heels of the signing of the SAVE Act legislation to support autonomous vehicle testing and deployment in Michigan, General Motors will immediately begin testing autonomous vehicles on public roads. GM also announced it will produce the next generation of its autonomous test vehicles at its Orion Township assembly plant beginning in early 2017. 

    “Revolutionizing transportation for our customers while improving safety on roads is the goal of our autonomous vehicle technology, and today’s announcement gets us one step closer to making this vision a reality,” said General Motors Chairman and CEO Mary Barra. “Our autonomous technology will be reliable and safe, as customers have come to expect from any of our vehicles.”

    Testing is already underway on GM’s Technical Center campus in Warren, Michigan, and with the passage of the SAVE Act legislation will now expand to public roads on the facility’s outskirts. Within the next few months, testing will expand to metro Detroit, which will become GM’s main location for the development of autonomous technology in winter climates. 

    Workers at the Orion Township assembly plant will build test fleet Bolt EVs equipped with fully autonomous technology. The plant currently manufactures the Chevrolet Bolt EV and Sonic. The new equipment will include LIDAR, cameras, sensors and other hardware designed to ensure system safety, leveraging GM’s proven manufacturing quality standards. 

    The test fleet vehicles will be used by GM engineers for continued testing and validation of GM’s autonomous technology already underway on public roads in San Francisco and Scottsdale, Arizona, as well as part of the Michigan testing fleet.

    Since the beginning of 2016, GM has taken significant steps in its development of autonomous vehicle technology.

    In January, the company announced the formation of a dedicated autonomous vehicle engineering team and a $500 million investment in Lyft to develop an integrated network of on-demand autonomous vehicles in the U.S. In March, the company announced the acquisition of Cruise Automation to provide deep software talent and rapid development expertise to help speed development. 

    In June, GM began testing autonomous Chevrolet Bolt EVs on the public roads in San Francisco and Scottsdale. The company has more than 40 autonomous vehicles testing in the two cities.

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    Very Cool :metal: 

    While not wanting a self driving auto myself, glad to see this is happening as far too many idiots are on the road causing trouble. Better to have the computer drive them.

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    Extensive testing in mock cities like Ford has constructed should be conducted for a long time, before automakers start endangering lives in real cities with driverless cars.  What angers me, is that they are all rushing to market to steal headlines.   They will deserve every lawsuit they get.  I just hope nobody is injured in the process.

     

     

    http://fortune.com/2016/07/20/michigan-self-driving-car-testing-center/

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    2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Except they were just SHUT DOWN for running a red light in San Fransisco.  :roflmao:

    More so for not having a permit to do it legally.

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    51 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

    Extensive testing in mock cities like Ford has constructed should be conducted for a long time, before automakers start endangering lives in real cities with driverless cars.  What angers me, is that they are all rushing to market to steal headlines.   They will deserve every lawsuit they get.  I just hope nobody is injured in the process.

     

     

     

     

     

    http://fortune.com/2016/07/20/michigan-self-driving-car-testing-center/

     

    They are not just testing in "mock" cities though (which I agree with for the record). From Ford's media page,

    "This year, Ford will triple its autonomous vehicle test fleet to be the largest test fleet of any automaker – bringing the number to about 30 self-driving Fusion Hybrid sedans on the roads in California, Arizona and Michigan, with plans to triple it again next year."

     

    They have been testing self driving Fusions on regular roads in and around the Phoenix area.

     

    I personally think self driving cars are a disaster in the making, also for the record. I'm just going to leave it at that.

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    I really do not see this working out well for a while yet. The issue really is where you mix normal cars with self driven.

    Self driven cars are programed by computer people and they do not think like a deviate that thinks it is fun to make radical moves with is pick up to make the self driving car shut off or swerve in some radical way for a laugh.

    The other issue is liabilities. While this could reduce deaths the problems that will come from this is liabilities. If a car makes a mistake is it the owners fault? Is it a fault of the company that made the car?  Is it the fault of the programmer? Etc.

    The cold harsh reality is people will still die in crashes and the liability will be moved to a MFG and just how willing are they going to be in this to accept the responsibility? The Tesla death was only the first in a semi autonomous system the full on is coming as well others.
     

    The details are where this gets bogged down.

    Now I do see a lot of use with this even to a higher degree than we have now. Farms, Mines etc where large equipment has a set path and set plan in a controls environment could work with little interference and little liability. This  will be where the most wide spread use will be.

    Till then we will only see enhanced system that will require the driver to remain engaged with the car. Their hands may be off the wheel but they will not be reading a paper or on the phone as they will be required to remain engaged in the car by facial recognition.

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    10 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Very Cool :metal: 

    While not wanting a self driving auto myself, glad to see this is happening as far too many idiots are on the road causing trouble. Better to have the computer drive them.

    Sadly, not sure it's going to help the stupid ones....

    Thinking the bus is going to be their choice ride!

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    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    They are not just testing in "mock" cities though (which I agree with for the record). From Ford's media page,

    "This year, Ford will triple its autonomous vehicle test fleet to be the largest test fleet of any automaker – bringing the number to about 30 self-driving Fusion Hybrid sedans on the roads in California, Arizona and Michigan, with plans to triple it again next year."

     

    They have been testing self driving Fusions on regular roads in and around the Phoenix area.

     

    I personally think self driving cars are a disaster in the making, also for the record. I'm just going to leave it at that.

    Yes, Ford is ALSO testing autonomous cars in cites concurrently....complete with co-pilots.  Big difference.

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    2 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

    Extensive testing in mock cities like Ford has constructed should be conducted for a long time, before automakers start endangering lives in real cities with driverless cars.  What angers me, is that they are all rushing to market to steal headlines.   They will deserve every lawsuit they get.  I just hope nobody is injured in the process.

     

     

     

     

     

    http://fortune.com/2016/07/20/michigan-self-driving-car-testing-center/

     

    Yep, I agree with you there! I think this will never fly well for two reasons:

    1- There needs to be at least HALF of these cars out there to make it work. Stuff like this works better in a controlled enviroment.

    2- Stupid folk- You're going to still have the "hold my beer and watch this" crowd, along with the folks who just laugh at the road rules. An increase in public transportation for these folks would help too.....

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    1 hour ago, Wings4Life said:

    Yes, Ford is ALSO testing autonomous cars in cites concurrently....complete with co-pilots.  Big difference.

    GM is also using co-pilots and my initial point is that Ford is also testing in the cities here and not just their mock city in Michigan, which in case you missed it the first time, I think is a far better idea (the mock city part).

    "DETROIT (AP) — General Motors has started testing fully autonomous vehicles on public roads around its technical center in suburban Detroit  

    The announcement comes just one week after Gov. Rick Snyder signed legislation that allows the cars to be tested on public roads without a driver or a steering wheel. But the automaker says that for now, it will have human backup drivers for its fleet of autonomous Chevrolet Bolt electric cars."

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    6 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Except they were just SHUT DOWN for running a red light in San Fransisco.  :roflmao:

    Wrong Twiddle Dee, That was Uber with their Volvo running the red lights.

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    good. these vehicles are already far safer than manned ones so it's beneficial to real-world test them to assuage the public's fears. 

    the faster they're out and about, the better. 

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    43 minutes ago, bigpoolog said:

    good. these vehicles are already far safer than manned ones so it's beneficial to real-world test them to assuage the public's fears. 

    the faster they're out and about, the better. 

    But what happens when a bird takes a BIG Poo on the auto blocking the camera's vision and sensors. Who is gonna get out and wipe it?

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    2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    But what happens when a big takes a BIG Poo on the auto blocking the camera's vision and sensors. Who is gonna get out and wipe it?

    michigan is shitty but not that shitty

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    Here is a list of companies working on autonomous.

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    This is scary.  Hell, every GPS or phone I have ever mapped with, all give me wrong directions all the time.  How on earth will we come to rely on this stuff. Far too much can go wrong.  

    If I was not clear before, let me clarify.  I think this technology should be thoroughly tested in closed tracks and mock cities for as long as it needs to work out bugs.  What we don't need is companies like GM rushing things for headlines, heading into auto show circuits to steal headlines.  EVERYONE should take their time developing, but competitive pressure ensures that will not be the case.

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    Wait, how is displaying upcoming tech at auto shows "rushing things"?  Furthermore, GM is far from first to show off the tech, though they've obviously been working on it for years.

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    5 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Wait, how is displaying upcoming tech at auto shows "rushing things"?  Furthermore, GM is far from first to show off the tech, though they've obviously been working on it for years.

    If they waited until the autoshow, it gets lost in all the other stories.  They clearly want to get it out ASAP.  Oldest trick in the book

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    7 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Wrong Twiddle Dee, That was Uber with their Volvo running the red lights.

    Excuse me Chickle Wickle?  I was talking about self driving cars in general.

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    2 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

    If they waited until the autoshow, it gets lost in all the other stories.  They clearly want to get it out ASAP.  Oldest trick in the book

    Detroit auto show is rapidly losing relevance. It's down to one day of car debuts this year. 

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    21 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Detroit auto show is rapidly losing relevance. It's down to one day of car debuts this year. 

    I  gather the Los Angeles and New York auto shows are gaining steam and stealing Detroit's thunder?

    Maybe even SEMA with maybe the electronics show Las Vegas has?

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    LA, SEMA, CES, Texas State Fair, and the Chinese shows have been growing. Chicago has shrunk dramatically to the point were I now have to consider each year whether it is worth the travel to cover it in person. 

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    34 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Detroit auto show is rapidly losing relevance. It's down to one day of car debuts this year. 

    Still one of the biggest in NA, and Detroit's home town.  Very important.

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    Im gonna guess that Beijing will be THE auto show that the world watches in the near future.

    One question.

    Are the Geneva and Paris shows relevant as they used to be or are they losing steam like Detroit?

    Back to the Bolt and autonomous driving...

    My opinion...as much as I love electric vehicles...I HATE THIS AUTONOMOUS TECHNOLOGY!!!

    Although I do see how beneficial it will be for humanity going forward.

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    1 hour ago, Wings4Life said:

    Still one of the biggest in NA, and Detroit's home town.  Very important.

    Of course, it will always be one of the big 4, but just looking at the schedule, it now has fewer releases than LA just did.  If 2017 NYC stays the same size as it was in 2016 then that means Detroit has fallen to 3rd out of 4. It could just be product cadence by the manufacturers (which I suspect is most likely) or is could be a longer term trend. I've been doing this long enough to remember when it started Sunday afternoon, continued 6:30am Monday, and basically didn't stop till Tuesday evening.

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