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    Oops! Honda Accidentally Reveals the Upcoming Civic Si's Torque Figure


    • Who let the torque figure out?!

    Honda was hoping to surprise us all with the power figures of the upcoming Civic Si, but part of the surprise has been spoiled.

    A member of the CivicX forum posted an email from Honda saying the Civic Si would boast 192 pound-feet of torque from a turbocharged 1.5L four. This number was confirmed by a Honda representative to Road & Track. Compared to the outgoing Si's naturally-aspirated 2.4L engine, the new engine produces 18 more pound-feet (174 vs. 192). 

    We still have questions for the upcoming Civic Si. What is the horsepower rating for the Civic Si? Also, does all of the torque arrive on the low end or high end of the rpm band? We'll hopefully have answers in the near future.

    Source: CivicX, Road & Track

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    Still Ugly :puke: 

    Probably will have torque at the low end up to a point where you have to killer rev it to get all the HP and Torque like 10K. 

    No big deal but I am sure the ricer fans will love it! :duck:

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    I like it.  the exterior is weird, but i love the interior.  I got this email like last Thursday (yes, I am signed up for updates).  I am going to guess 210 or so on the HP and it should pull pretty well from low rpm to redline.  Considering the current normal 1.5T is as quick, or quicker, than the last Si, this should be a pretty fun little drive.  i also like that it comes with a real limited slip differential.  Also, a ricer is one who does body mods on base models with no real performance upgrades, this thing is going to have a little fire in it's bell and be fun to drive.  That said, I am certainly wishing VW does a next gen bug on the MQB platform.  Not holding my breath, but that with a 2.0T and GTi tuning would be my next vehicle. 

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    On 3/28/2017 at 8:16 AM, Stew said:

    I like it.  the exterior is weird, but i love the interior.  I got this email like last Thursday (yes, I am signed up for updates).  I am going to guess 210 or so on the HP and it should pull pretty well from low rpm to redline.  Considering the current normal 1.5T is as quick, or quicker, than the last Si, this should be a pretty fun little drive.  i also like that it comes with a real limited slip differential.  Also, a ricer is one who does body mods on base models with no real performance upgrades, this thing is going to have a little fire in it's bell and be fun to drive.  That said, I am certainly wishing VW does a next gen bug on the MQB platform.  Not holding my breath, but that with a 2.0T and GTi tuning would be my next vehicle. 

    VW needs to make the Beetle RWD and rear-engined again!! A mini-911.

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    19 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    VW needs to make the Beetle RWD and rear-engined again!! A mini-911.

    RWD AWD or me haha.  Love that idea, make it a real Halo car for VW.  I just wonder what could with the styling?  i think the current model has the perfect Beetle vibe and even has real good room inside for it's small size. 

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    This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

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    1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasion said:

    This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

     

    That's good, because you'll have to rev it out to keep sight of the GTI gapping you in the next lane. :AH-HA:

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    1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasion said:

    This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.

    Just enjoy watching the taillights of American and German auto's while you rev your tin fart can engine.

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    A Turbo 4 should still have the torque low in the RPM band.  Even my weak 1.4T gets all of its 138 ft-lb at around 1700 rpm.... but that's all the torque you ever get.   If the Civic 1.5T gets it's peak torque anywhere near that, it should feel plenty fast. 

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    It didn't hit me till tonight why I'm so "meh" about this car. A 1996 Eagle Talon, a car a mere 5 years away from being eligible for classic plates,  had 210 HP and 220 lb-ft of torque with only half a liter more displacement. 

    It also could come with AWD and was lighter

    This is progress?

    For a more modern perspective, the Verano Turbo or Cobalt SS blow away the Civic SI on power for about the same price.

    I guess I just expected something more special.

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    4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    It didn't hit me till tonight why I'm so "meh" about this car. A 1996 Eagle Talon, a car a mere 5 years away from being eligible for classic plates,  had 210 HP and 220 lb-ft of torque with only half a liter more displacement. 

    It also could come with AWD and was lighter

    This is progress?

    For a more modern perspective, the Verano Turbo or Cobalt SS blow away the Civic SI on power for about the same price.

    I guess I just expected something more special.

    I never ever thought of that. About the Eagle Talon...

    I refrained from commenting because I really had no idea what opinion to have about this latest Civic. Now, thanx to your insight, I have my opinion.

    Yeah...Im not into this car.

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    On 4/4/2017 at 7:30 AM, Frisky Dingo said:

     

    That's good, because you'll have to rev it out to keep sight of the GTI gapping you in the next lane. :AH-HA:

    the only thing a GTI gaps is its owner's wallet...

    at least the honda has a comfy interior to haul stranded vee dub drivers to the nearest tow depot. 

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    On 4/6/2017 at 8:52 PM, FAPTurbo said:

    the only thing a GTI gaps is its owner's wallet...

    at least the honda has a comfy interior to haul stranded vee dub drivers to the nearest tow depot. 

    Lol, the MK7's interior shames anything with a Honda badge on it. I think you missed the boat on your reliability joke by about a decade, too. :AH-HA:

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    16 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Lol, the MK7's interior shames anything with a Honda badge on it. I think you missed the boat on your reliability joke by about a decade, too. :AH-HA:

    While this Si does nothing to me and I admit that GTI most likely will be a much better car, VW reliability still sucks.  My coworker just last year had to pay $3k to replace turbo on his Jetta, car had less then 100k miles.

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    3 hours ago, ykX said:

    While this Si does nothing to me and I admit that GTI most likely will be a much better car, VW reliability still sucks.  My coworker just last year had to pay $3k to replace turbo on his Jetta, car had less then 100k miles.

    So?? You know how many Ford EcoBoosts, Hyundai turbo-4's, and GM Ecotec's I've seen that need a new turbo?? Tons. You could literally say this about just about ANY brand that makes turbocharged engines.

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    @Frisky Dingo  You can argue as much as you want but there is a reason why VW put 6 years/72k miles warranty on their new crossovers.  Even Hyundai/Kia has smaller warranty now.  I doubt VW would do it if they had people's trust in their product.

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    3 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Clarify?

    I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

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    5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

    Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

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    28 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

    Even if it is average German parts cost more and its more difficult finding a place to work on them.

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).

     

    54 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.

    JD Powers Listing interesting comparison of 2017 to 2016 list.

    2017

    17_vds_chart_1.jpg

    2016

    2016_vds_rank_1.jpg

     

    Top three models per segment (in order of fewest issues)

    Small car

    Chevrolet Sonic
    Nissan Versa

    Compact car

    Toyota Prius
    Buick Verano (tie)
    Honda Civic (tie)

    Compact Premium Car

    Lexus ES
    Mercedes-Benz C-Class
    Acura ILX

    Midsize Car

    Toyota Camry
    Chevrolet Malibu
    Hyundai Sonata

    Midsize Sporty Car

    Chevrolet Camaro
    Ford Mustang

    Midsize Premium Car

    Lexus GS
    Mercedes-Benz E-Class
    Audi A7

    Large Car

    Toyota Avalon
    Buick LaCrosse
    Kia Cadenza

    Small SUV

    Volkswagen Tiguan
    Buick Encore
    Hyundai Tucson

    Compact MPV

    Toyuta Prius V
    Kia Soul

    Compact SUV

    Toyota FJ Cruiser
    Chevrolet Equinox
    GMC Terrain

    Compact Premium SUV

    Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class
    Acura RDX
    Volvo XC60

    Midsize Pickup

    Honda Ridgeline
    Nissan Frontier

    Midsize SUV

    Toyota Venza
    Ford Edge (tie)
    Honda Pilot (tie)

    Midsize Premium SUV

    Lexus RX
    Lexus GX
    Porsche Cayenne

    Minivan

    Toyota Sienna
    Chrysler Town & Country
    Dodge Grand Caravan

    Large SUV

    Chevrolet Tahoe
    GMC Yukon

    Large Light Duty Pickup

    Ford F-150
    Toyota Tundra
    Chevrolet Silverado (tie)
    Ram 1500 (tie)

    Large Heavy Duty Pickup

    Chevrolet Silverado HD
    GMC Sierra HD
    Ford Super Duty

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    • By William Maley
      We have been waiting for quite a while for Honda to reveal the production Civic Si and this morning, they did just that.
      The 2017 Honda Civic Si may not look completely bonkers like the Type R, but we're not complaining about it. The subtitle changes such as the blacked-out grille, 18-inch wheels, center-mounted exhaust, and rear spoiler help the Si stand out from other Civic models without going completely mad. Move inside and the Civic Si comes well equipped with sport bucket seats, red digital gauge cluster, faux carbon fiber trim, automatic climate control, and a 7.0-inch touchscreen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility.
      Under the hood is a tweaked version of the Civic's turbocharged 1.5L four-cylinder producing 205 horsepower and 192 pound-feet of torque. This is somewhat weak sauce when compared to the likes of the Volkswagen GTI (220) and Ford Focus ST (252). Honda does say those numbers do arrive at lower rpms (5700 for horsepower, 2500 to 5000 for torque). A six-speed manual is the only transmission on offer.
      For the chassis, Honda has fitted a set of adaptive dampers, stiffer springs and anti-roll bars, larger brakes, and a honest-to-goodness mechanical limited-slip differential.
      The Civic Si will be available as a sedan and coupe, and carry a base price in the mid-$20,000 range. At least you won't have to wait long as the Si arrives at dealers next month.
      Source: Honda 
      Press Release is on Page 2


      Honda Reveals 2017 Civic Si Coupe and Sedan in Dynamic Global Debut Video

      Apr 6, 2017 - TORRANCE, Calif.
      First ever turbocharged Civic Si is most agile, best-handling Si yet Standard features include Apple Carplay™ and Android Auto™ Production reveal of Civic Si Coupe and Sedan variants on YouTube The all-new Honda Civic Si Coupe and Civic Si Sedan debuted today in a global reveal video broadcast on Honda's YouTube channel at honda.us/2017CivicSiReveal. The exciting and dynamic video features the stylish, personal two-door coupe and sleek, accommodating four-door sedan - both sporty Si variants are designed for the everyday enthusiast. The new Civic Si Sedan and Coupe will go on-sale next month with an MSRP in the mid-$20,000 range.
      "The 2017 Honda Civic Si is our first turbocharged Si and sets a new sporty compact benchmark in terms of agility and precise handling while building toward the launch of the Type R as the final chapter in our epic 10th-generation Civic story," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president automobile division, American Honda.
      Powertrain and chassis
      Powering the Civic Si is a high-performance, high-torque 1.5-liter, directed-injected and turbocharged DOHC in-line 4-cylinder engine with dual variable cam timing (dual VTC). Mated to a short-throw, 6-speed manual transmission, the powertrain provides a thrilling new driving experience with more low-end grunt and increased torque output across the engine's full rev range compared to the previous Si. Peak horsepower of 205 horsepower1 arrives 1300 rpm lower in the rev range, and the increased peak torque of 192 lb-ft2 (+18 lb-ft) is produced 2300 rpm earlier and sustained over 70 percent of the rev range.
      Allowing full utilization of the powertrain, the 2017 Civic Si is significantly lighter than the previous generation model and features a more rigid body including highly upgraded chassis and drive components. These upgrades include a dual-pinion adaptive electric power steering system with variable ratios, sport-tuned suspension, an adaptive damper system, a helical limited-slip differential, larger 12.3-inch front brake rotors and wider 235/40 R18 tires with a performance tire option. In addition to adaptive dampers, suspension upgrades include stiffer spring rates, more rigid stabilizer bars (+30 percent front, +60 percent rear), solid front and rear compliance bushings, and ultra-rigid front upper control arms shared with the Civic Type R.
      Allowing the driver to choose vehicle power and chassis dynamic characteristics according to their tastes and the driving environment, the 2017 Civic Si now features two driving mode options: Normal and Sport. From the more comfort-oriented yet well controlled default Normal Mode, the Sport Mode adjusts the suspension damping characteristics plus steering and throttle response for a more taut and direct driving experience.
      Sporty design and styling 
      Upping the sporty style quotient from the standard Civic Sedan and Coupe, the Si models feature an aggressive black "wing" front fascia with larger side air intake features, 18-inch 10-spoke alloy wheels with a model-exclusive two-tone finish, wearing 235mm-wide, low-profile tires, and a chrome center-mounted polygonal exhaust finisher. At the rear, the Si Sedan includes larger side vent features and a deck lid spoiler incorporating a LED brake light. The Si Coupe continues the Civic Coupe's distinctive full-width light bar and adds a prominent raised spoiler.
      The Civic Si interior features Si-exclusive bolstered front sport seats with red stitching, including stitched Si logos. The red sport stitching carries through to the doors, steering wheel and leather shift boot with aluminum shift knob. The Si interior also features a red driver's TFT meter and audio system illumination, aluminum sport pedals and Dry Metal Carbon instrument panel trim.
      Interior Comfort, Convenience and Connectivity
      The new Civic Si variants offers premium comfort and convenience features building off of the EX-T Civic Sedan and EX-T Civic Coupe, including:
      Electronic parking brake Walk away door locking Dual-zone automatic climate control Heated front seats Rain-sensing wipers Accommodating modern connectivity needs, the new Civic Si also includes a 7-inch Display Audio touchscreen that serves as the nerve center for control of audio, HVAC and other functions. The Display Audio is integrated with Apple CarPlay™ and Android Auto™ platforms, providing seamless integration of smartphone features and functions, including app-based navigation, streaming audio, voice-controlled search capabilities, and access to a host of Apple- or Google-approved smartphone apps. All Si models feature a 450-watt, 10-speaker AM/FM/CD sound system with SiriusXM® Radio, HD Radio™ and Pandora® capability.
      Safety 
      The 2017 Civic Si Coupe and Sedan are designed to provide a high level of collision safety performance in a wide variety of collision scenarios, including offset and oblique-angle frontal collisions as well as side and rear impacts. The Civic's safety performance starts with its class-leading forward visibility and precise, stable and predictable steering, handling and braking performance. Standard four-channel anti-lock brakes (ABS) with Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD), Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA)4 with traction control and Agile Handling Assist further enhance dynamic stability and emergency maneuvering and braking performance. The Civic Si targets the highest NCAP 5-star Overall Vehicle Score.

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