Tesla's Model 3 Gets Even More Expensive

"with better handling. Will beat anything in its class on the track."

That's a ballsy line right there.

People who talked about how they would have a superior Tesla 3 for $35,000 minus their fed rebate of $7,500 so they would have a Tesla for $27,500 are now canceling and moving to the Bolt as Tesla will not have rebates left by the time they get their minimal cost car in production.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20180216/RETAIL/180219760/musk-tesla-model3-chevy-bolt-competition-tax-credit

That's one heck of a downgrade. 

8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That's one heck of a downgrade. 

Not really, in comparison of the base Tesla to a Fully loaded Bolt which comes in at the general same price point, If you can get a Bolt with the fed discount and yet no Tesla, why wait if you want and need an auto. Clearly 65,000 plus and growing Tesla 3 reservation holders are doing this in California and elsewhere as the value is there in the Bolt.

Some good fair even headed comparisons on the Tesla 3 to the Bolt.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-chevy-bolt-comparison-pictures-2018-4

They have plenty of negative and positive things to say, but the review made this point over and over: 

"I also flat-out loved driving it. I blasted in and out of New York City twice, rocketed around the streets of Gotham, darted through traffic, and cruised along the highways of New Jersey. I enjoyed just driving it around the quiet streets of the suburb where I live.

The steering is quick and responsive, and the handling is sharp enough to provide the confidence you need when surfing that sweet EV torque."

Quote the ending: 

"But the Bolt punches well above its weight, while the Model 3 should be better for how much its costs at the upper end of its specifications.

Pricing is also an issue. Right now, you can have any Model 3 you preordered after a long wait — as long as it starts at $42,000. (Tesla isn't manufacturing the $35,000 base vehicle.) If you want the base Bolt, Chevy will gladly sell it to you for $37,500.

So if you want to get technical, the only true mass-market all-electric vehicle in the market is the Bolt.

Both cars are fun to drive, in their own ways. The Model S is stable, sporty, and fast off the line, but the Bolt, hardly a slug, affords a kind of video-game-like driving experience, especially when zipping around a city like New York.

And not for nothing, the Bolt hit the market a year ahead of the Model 3, demonstrating that big slow GM could, to a certain extent, beat Tesla at its own game and deliver a less expensive long-range EV, at least initially.

So I have to call it a dead heat."

I would agree with the last statement, while they do not compete in the same category, there are plenty of things the Bolt does right and above it's class. There are plenty of things the Tesla does that should be better for the price you pay. I agree that it is a dead heat right now.

Another good read by Forbes which is also balanced:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2018/02/25/chevy-bolt-2018-vs-tesla-model-3-best-small-ev-and-most-popular-ev-cheat-sheet/#3b2186c15578

Love this as it is a side by side comparison chart of all the details about the Chevy Bolt compared to Tesla 3.

https://www.consumerreports.org/tesla-model-3/tesla-model-3-vs-chevrolet-bolt-ev-tale-of-the-tape/

Blah Blah Blah that's going from a sporty car to a half-ass CUV/car/van-like thing. That's a downgrade. 

10 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Blah Blah Blah that's going from a sporty car to a half-ass CUV/car/van-like thing. That's a downgrade. 

 WOW, I see it from a half ass piss poor car to a roomy CUV.

Tesla 3, Half Empty

Chevy Bolt Half Full

Who would have thought you'd think it was a upgrade? 

A hybrid CUV/van/wagon mix is never an upgrade. 

16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Who would have thought you'd think it was a upgrade? 

A hybrid CUV/van/wagon mix is never an upgrade. 

Disagree, Going to a small car is always a Downgrade to me. Luxury, roomy SUV / CUV are and always will be an upgrade to me. 

Even a full size Truck is an upgrade over a car.

MHO

A subcompact economy car like the Bolt would be a downgrade relative to most anything, though. 

25 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Luxury, roomy SUV / CUV are and always will be an upgrade to me. 

It's like the inverse of an auto enthusiast statement. 

Might as well just say you're in love with electric cars too...

😬

25 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

A subcompact economy car like the Bolt would be a downgrade relative to most anything, though. 

In what world is that class of car considered "subcompact"? 

8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

 

In what world is that class of car considered "subcompact"? 

It's really tiny---164 inches long.  That's a subcompact.    It's only slightly larger than the Sonic hatchback, and smaller than the Trax (subcompact CUV).   Definitely too small to be a compact.

8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It's like the inverse of an auto enthusiast statement.  

I don't know, I like luxury SUVs over ordinary cars as far a daily driver.  I'd take my Jeep over any midsize sedan.   Likewise, I'd probably take an GLS, Escalade or Navigator over most full size sedans for a daily driver...

11 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

It's really tiny---164 inches long.  That's a subcompact.    It's only slightly larger than the Sonic hatchback, and smaller than the Trax (subcompact CUV).   Definitely too small to be a compact.

Can I share your drugs...

???  I was taking about the Bolt dimensions.  Go back and read my post. I clearly said Bolt. 

It is also classified as a mid-size by EPA standards, if I remember correctly. 

4 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

???  I was taking about the Bolt dimensions.  Go back and read my post. I clearly said Bolt. 

🤦🏼‍♂️ YUP.

You know whats ironic about that is I originally thought you said Bolt but I reread it and I reread it WRONG. 

EPA uses interior cubic volume- to them a 1973 El Camino is a subcompact.

I wonder what the Model 3 is classed as.  It like it might be smaller inside than the  C-segment luxury sedans (ATS, C, 3, etc)

4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

EPA uses interior cubic volume- to them a 1973 El Camino is a subcompact.

I could see that.  Small interior, huge exterior.  It seemed to carry its long hood, long tail shape better than some of the Rancheros--the 77-79 Rancheros had such long overhangs and a pinched looking cabin. 

2 hours ago, dfelt said:

why wait if you want and need an auto.

Why wait indeed?  WHY oh WHY???

23 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Why wait indeed?  WHY oh WHY???

So funny how you twist and take everything out of context.  

Elon Musk overpromised and underdelivered again.  Maybe everyone who reserved their Tesla Model 3 should get their money back and simply buy an already available Chevy Bolt.  And I mean ALL OF THEM.

If my reading on it earlier is correct it’s interior volume + trunk volume and the Model 3 is 97+15 which puts it technically in the Large car class. 

Edit: Mid Size is correct. 

Bolt is going to hand the 3 it's a*s*s* again.......😂😂

I think at this stage pretty much every automaker could hand Tesla their behind....

Things are no looking rosy for them at all.....

Rosie Palmer?

19 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Blah Blah Blah that's going from a sporty car to a half-ass CUV/car/van-like thing. That's a downgrade. 

Correct.  Until the Bolt can put accelerate a Corvette I am not interested.  The Model 3 is a much faster car than the Bolt and looks better and is from the “in” brand not your grandpa’s brand.

29 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Correct.  Until the Bolt can put accelerate a Corvette I am not interested.  The Model 3 is a much faster car than the Bolt and looks better and is from the “in” brand not your grandpa’s brand.

Mercedes is your Grandpa's Brand too and they have no EV.

The speed difference for the majority of people is insignificant and the Bolt can go faster if you put it in Sport mode. Interesting how no one really talks about the fact that you can take a second off that magic number you like to use too much on 0 to 60 if you are in Sport mode that then puts the Bolt on a level plane with the Tesla 3 that is more cramped than the Bolt.