Sixty8panther

HARDTOPS you might not remember

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First off, I just mentioned this car in another thread,

but I thought what the heck, why not post some of

my favorite lesser known hardtops.

Not the typical, well known '57 Bel Airs, '59 Cadillacs

& '70 Challengers, (I love those too) but the weird,

off the beaten path stuff you might not have EVER

seen before, or perhaps you saw one but it was 7

years ago at a car show.

Here goes:

1.) 1965 to 1968 BMW 2000cs :wub: Be still my heart!

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The later 1970s cs/csl coupes were quite beautiful as well.

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2.) Going even FURTHER back in time: 1962 - 1965 BMW 3200cs

A compact, slick looking car that had a V8,

four on the floor, two door hardtop... and

it predates the Mustang.

And yet, it's GERMAN. :spin:

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3.) 1974 Mazda RX-4 hardtop coupe.

I love the styling on these things... if only modern Japanese

cars had anywhere CLOSE to this much personality.

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That first Bimmer, composite headlamps on a 60's car? Seems so out of place, and then to go to the "Normal" sealed beam style on the next generation seems like an odd move.

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Some very nice finds, Sixty8. Looking at the beautiful Bimmers gives the casual observer a much deeper appreciation for the newest 1-series... BMW has certainly stayed true to themselves, so many car companies cannot say that. I love the mix of heritage and modern attitude on the 1-series.

The Mazda's cool, too, although no one can deny where their inspiration came from. Their (the Japanese makers') coolest cars of that era were scale models of American stuff. And look what they've got coming now, that new 3 with a hideous, huge black grin pasted on the front. It's time for America to once again seize the Design high ground.

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Some very nice finds, Sixty8. Looking at the beautiful Bimmers gives the casual observer a much deeper appreciation for the newest 1-series... BMW has certainly stayed true to themselves, so many car companies cannot say that. I love the mix of heritage and modern attitude on the 1-series.

You want some Bavarian cream? :P

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This was really interesting. I've never seen that BMW model with the covered headlights. The car in the Bavarian Cream ad is especially sharp!

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The Mazda looks like a baby Barracuda. How kawaii!

screams ford maverick to me hehe

edit... is this a sign of the future partnership?

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There's a reason every one of those hardtops pictures are forgotten, and it's YOU-GEE-EL-EYE-ness.

Don't forget, it's theoretically possible to build a hardtop garbage truck- but it's still a garbage truck first.

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LoL @ Balthy.

I do find the 3200CSa tad awkward but I love the 65-68 CS.

Also, while I find the RX-4 quite charming I'm 100% with

O.B. as far as the scale model comment.

Look hard enough at late 1960s & early 1970s Mopars & you

will see the TRUE inspiration for the Madza RX-4.

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Random google search find that was too delicious to leave out.

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1970s cs/csl is teh only one of those that I wouldn't mind looking at for an extended period of time. The other two give off an Edsel vibe, which is NOT a compliment.

As for the Mazda:

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`nuff said.

Of course the obvious Mopar inspired design cues is probably why I like it. It's a baby.

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Huh. The Mazda is really the one I care for the least. I've never been a huge fan of the wide-grilled classic muscle car look, and I'm getting rather sick of it nowadays.

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That first Bimmer, composite headlamps on a 60's car? Seems so out of place, and then to go to the "Normal" sealed beam style on the next generation seems like an odd move.

Euro-spec vs. US- spec.

Take a look at Euro versions of a Benz of that era.

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Euro-spec vs. US- spec.

Take a look at Euro versions of a Benz of that era.

I knew Euro spec car's had them by that point, for some reason that thought totally slipped my mind when I posted that. :duh:

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Exactly (Camino)

Another product of over regulation! <_<

Look at my 1984 Mercedes (Gray market import from Deutchland)

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And compare it to a USA-spec. '84 M.B.

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Those sealed beams in a bucket... I'll be nice and call them awkward. :yuck:

Of course for all the same reasons the typical '84 GM car is no better.

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I love the 3.0CS... what a gorgeous car.

I love these cars absolutely LOVE them.

BUT

As a kid growing up in Europe I was conditioned too

think BMWs = perfection.... same as M.B.

I will admit as much as I LOVE these BMWs, without

their hardtop greenhouses I'd be much less interested

in them AND I DO think they are a little Euro-Quirky.

Like (not to give Balthazar Ammo) the tacked-on

front blinker on the 3.0 CS

Still I love it. :)

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DUDE ... Sixty8 ... you always share some AWESOME cars ... these are no different.

VERY sweet!!!

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>>"not to give Balthazar Ammo"<<

These cars ('60s-70s BMWs) supply all the ammo themselves. Unrefined (cubed) & lacking attention to detail are their hallmarks. It's like BMW was a 3rd world carmaker in their first decade of building cars- the exposed rockers, the horrendous federalization body hardware, good God, man- how is this stuff overlooked... yet we go back-n-forth over the infetessimal grades of "plastic quality" like we're scientists talking on a molecular level. Not an ounce of stylistic effort in these uber-bland euro-generics, either. Right up to the Banglized BMWs... the entire 'design vocabulary' remained exactly the same for decades; is BMW the originator of retro thru self-parody, then?

This is just commentary on the exterior styling- interiors & drivability are other, thorny issues...

One pic/car that is interesting to me is the euro-spec 2-dr up top- but there it's merely the row of louvers behind (??) the bumper- something different (even if doubtfully functional). But drooling and heart palpitations ???? Ooooooo-kkkkkkkkkkk........

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Well, one thing I think we can agree on Balthazar...

The best thing about these BMWs is their blatantly American influenced

pillarless Greenhouses which DO to a large degree IMHO add a certain

sophistication and luxury to an otherwise "economical" looking car.

I do think you underestimate BMW's strengths as far as innovation,

performance & the subtle art of "under styling". BMW never got on the

"square sealed-beam headlight" bandwagon and they are to be

commended for that, being the only ones other than Porsche to never

put square headlights on any production car.

I can overlook many of the "unrefined " details you pointed out & yet

the '75-'79 Seville which you appreciate, to me looks just terrible.

It's a BOX with a myriad of BOXY/rectangular details. That to me is a

car that looks like it's lacking design altogether. :P

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LOL @ '76 Bonneville in the exact colors as my old '76 LeSabre that now belongs to Fly.

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Well, one thing I think we can agree on Balthazar...

The best thing about these BMWs is their blatantly American influenced

pillarless Greenhouses which DO to a large degree IMHO add a certain

sophistication and luxury to an otherwise "economical" looking car.

I do think you underestimate BMW's strengths as far as innovation,

performance & the subtle art of "under styling". BMW never got on the

"square sealed-beam headlight" bandwagon and they are to be

commended for that, being the only ones other than Porsche to never

put square headlights on any production car.

I can overlook many of the "unrefined " details you pointed out & yet

the '75-'79 Seville which you appreciate, to me looks just terrible.

It's a BOX with a myriad of BOXY/rectangular details. That to me is a

car that looks like it's lacking design altogether. :P

I like the styling of old BMWs, certainly wouldn't call them 'unrefined'....just different than the '50s-60s American cars that Balthy knows. They were created in a different reality context...Germany in the '60s-70s was very different than Detroit.

The best aspect of vintage BMWs, though, wasn't styling...it was the handling....a concept that it took American car makers a long time to take seriously.

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>>"...an otherwise "economical" looking car."<<

VERY much so- slab, generic sides with NO character (well- there is that stem-to-stern body line :rolleyes: ), an 'exposed' rocker there as a nod to the limits of engineering, very little stylistic intergration & just about zilch body hardware integration, generic bumpers just slapped on... these '60s & '70s BMWs just reek of cheapness. The hardtop greenhouse does nothing to improve a wretched exterior design, IMO.

While I'm no raging fan of it (too new), I do 'like' the 1st gen Seville. It's very well integrated overall- body hardware, bumper fitment, stance over the wheels/wheel gap, overall flow- nothing tacked on with an afterthought; every piece designed for the Seville specifically. Nothing cheap about it, design-wise. Whether you like the design or not, the engineering of the design was class-leading then- far above that of BMWs of then & earlier.

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That's not a '75 Catalina, as captioned, it's a Bonneville. The '75 Catalina was more a twin to the Canadian Laurentian shown.
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