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Hey everyone, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

There's always someone hungrier.

"One is Joel T. Piaskowski. He's only 38, but he's the guy who designed the Buick Lucerne, one of GM's successful new models. Three years ago, Piaskowski quit GM and went to work for Hyundai Motor Co. in sunny Irvine, Calif. Today he's Hyundai's chief designer for North America, and other young Motown designers have followed in his wake."

Hey Joel, why is the Azera such a visual disaster compared to the Lucerne then?

He just wanted to live out in CA with all the moviestars and poo.

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Hey Joel, why is the Azera such a visual disaster compared to the Lucerne then?

He just wanted to live out in CA with all the moviestars and poo.

It's one of the main reasons I quit GM back in '99. I was young, single, and living by the beach in southern California when GM wanted to promote me and move me back to Detroit where I would most likely, according to them, spend the rest of my career.

I lived in Michigan for 7 years so I know how depressing a place it is, and how much of an unpleasant place it is to live. No offense to any Michiganders that proudly call it home...it's just MHO from living a bunch of different places, including seven years in the Detroit and Flint areas.

Detroit? Los Angeles? There really is no choice for me.....

My company I work for now is based in Atlanta.....which is a great city.....and one that would be much nicer if I had to contemplate a transfer to my company's home office from California....compared to being shipped to Detroit if I still worked for one of the Big Three (or even VW/Audi.)

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i would gladly work for GM... if i could contiune to live in LA... i guess thats why i'm at the dealership level...

but the reason the lucerne looks better then the hyundai is because of the leadership... cough... lutz... the man who answers to no one and what he says looks good... looks damn good!

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It's one of the main reasons I quit GM back in '99.  I was young, single, and living by the beach in southern California when GM wanted to promote me and move me back to Detroit where I would most likely, according to them, spend the rest of my career.

I lived in Michigan for 7 years so I know how depressing a place it is, and how much of an unpleasant place it is to live.  No offense to any Michiganders that proudly call it home...it's just MHO from living a bunch of different places, including seven years in the Detroit and Flint areas.

Detroit?  Los Angeles?  There really is no choice for me.....

My company I work for now is based in Atlanta.....which is a great city.....and one that would be much nicer if I had to contemplate a transfer to my company's home office from California....compared to being shipped to Detroit if I still worked for one of the Big Three (or even VW/Audi.)

Work in Detroit, live in Windsor, Ontario :P

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Hey everyone, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

There's always someone hungrier.

"One is Joel T. Piaskowski. He's only 38, but he's the guy who designed the Buick Lucerne, one of GM's successful new models. Three years ago, Piaskowski quit GM and went to work for Hyundai Motor Co. in sunny Irvine, Calif. Today he's Hyundai's chief designer for North America, and other young Motown designers have followed in his wake."

Hey Joel, why is the Azera such a visual disaster compared to the Lucerne then?

There's nothing wrong with the Azera. Joel (and his team) showed me the car that would become the Azera a few years ago in Korea. His team (if he left GM "three years ago," he didn't have much to do with the Azera's design himself) did an excellent job on it and on the other upcoming Hyundai models they showed us.

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It's one of the main reasons I quit GM back in '99.  I was young, single, and living by the beach in southern California when GM wanted to promote me and move me back to Detroit where I would most likely, according to them, spend the rest of my career.

I lived in Michigan for 7 years so I know how depressing a place it is, and how much of an unpleasant place it is to live.  No offense to any Michiganders that proudly call it home...it's just MHO from living a bunch of different places, including seven years in the Detroit and Flint areas.

Detroit?  Los Angeles?  There really is no choice for me.....

My company I work for now is based in Atlanta.....which is a great city.....and one that would be much nicer if I had to contemplate a transfer to my company's home office from California....compared to being shipped to Detroit if I still worked for one of the Big Three (or even VW/Audi.)

I can definitely understand that..I was young and single when I left Michigan in '97...sunny, booming Colorado seemed like a world apart from gray, dying Michigan.

Ann Arbor was a great town to live in when I was in grad school, but the overall area just wasn't happening for me.

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Oh god!!! here we go....

I guess the bankruptcy story got old and wasn't drawing numbers anymore...

So now the media is going to "focus on the 'talent' leaving Detroit"

Heaven help us! ANYTHING to screw Detroit and make a buck!

As for the leavers.... Oh well, nice workin' with ya.

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There's nothing wrong with the Azera. Joel (and his team) showed me the car that would become the Azera a few years ago in Korea. His team (if he left GM "three years ago," he didn't have much to do with the Azera's design himself) did an excellent job on it and on the other upcoming Hyundai models they showed us.

Quick to defend those imports!!!! Typical media!

Yet, EVERYTHING is wrong with GM's products right?!?!

The Azera SUCKS. It looks like a 4 year old bloated Accord and has a trashy interior.

And despite it being en vogue to destroy GM and Ford and promote jap and korean car makers at their expense. ANYONE with common sense can see what I'm talking about from a design standpoint.

Now that I've got that angry tirad out of the way...

One of the reasons why I stopped aspiring to work for GM is their location. I DO NOT have any desire to live in Detroit or ANYWHERE else in the Northeast/Midwest for that matter.

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It is amazing that the media is willing to forgive Hyundai and Kia 20 years of building nothing but sh*t (let's face it: ALL OF THEIR VEHICLES WERE SH*T, NOT SOME OF THEM!), yet they won't give GM a break on any of their vehicles, even though only SOME of them were sh*t over the past couple decades.

I mean, WTF????????????????????????????????????????

If I seen one more glowing report on the AZERA, or any other Korean POS, I will throw up!

YES their vehicles have improved

YES some of them are even nice enough to not be an embarassment on the road

BUT REALLY?????

We are witnessing two ends of the spectrum. Toyota, who we all might agree does build some pretty decent vehicles and who has managed to coat itself in Teflon so nobody (especially the media) recalls any of the blunders or lies (current horsepower wars), gets all the breaks. Toyota walks on water, but at least I would concede that some of the accolades are deserved.

The other end of the spectrum, Hyundai - possibly the worst car company on the planet, has a couple good years and all is forgiven.

UNBELIEVABLE. F**KING UNBELIEVABLE.

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One of the reasons why I stopped aspiring to work for GM is their location. I DO NOT have any desire to live in Detroit or ANYWHERE else in the Northeast/Midwest for that matter.

I think that was one of the major points a few of us on here were debating.....

It's hard to keep, or even attract, strong and new talent when you have a less-than-desirable locale to require them to relocate to.

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There's nothing wrong with the Azera. Joel (and his team) showed me the car that would become the Azera a few years ago in Korea. His team (if he left GM "three years ago," he didn't have much to do with the Azera's design himself) did an excellent job on it and on the other upcoming Hyundai models they showed us.

sorry. disagree. if GM or ford put out such a lifeless and incomplete 3rd world design, the press would be all over them. only because it has a 10/100 attached to it do they give it a pass. If that car had a Buick badge on it, you'd be all over it with criticism.

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Quick to defend those imports!!!! Typical media!

Yet, EVERYTHING is wrong with GM's products right?!?!

The Azera SUCKS. It looks like a 4 year old bloated Accord and has a trashy interior.

And despite it being en vogue to destroy GM and Ford and promote jap and korean car makers at their expense. ANYONE with common sense can see what I'm talking about from a design standpoint.

Now that I've got that angry tirad out of the way...

One of the reasons why I stopped aspiring to work for GM is their location. I DO NOT have any desire to live in Detroit or ANYWHERE else in the Northeast/Midwest for that matter.

This is not a rap on you FOG or anyone in particular, but just a general statement about our society today. I am so F'ING sick and God damned tired of all the 'movers and shakers' and hipsters and big corporate to do professionals being all picky and choosy about everything in their lives, from their cars to the whole 'needing to live in California' bit. Or Seattle. Or wherever all the chosen folks want to live. Maybe the best thing Carlos Ghosn will ever have done is to get people away from there and to somewhere maybe folks have some work ethic and focus and such. In no way do I think the automakers should cling to homogenous Detroit like a special palace, but maybe if Lincoln and Nissan are hightailed out of California, MAYBE THERE's A REASON.

My annoying f'ing sister and her other half moved to California and now are so holier than thou about 'leaving for a better place'. Nice. 5 years ago you were saying you were never going to work anywhere outside of where you were then. Enjoy your tiny half a million plus one bedroom townhouse. AHHHHH, LIVING!

I'm all for decentralizing some of the automakers operations, God knows they need to get out of 'Detroit think'. But I'm tired of the whole entitled executive and shakers and young hipsters culture that just think every f\/cking aspect of the United states existence should revolve around what's needed to prop up a chosen few for their grandiose self centered lifestyles.

ITS TIME FOR THAT SELF CENTERED CORPORATE CULTURE BULL$h! TO END AND ITS TIME FOR THE OTHER 95% OF USA SOCIETY TO STAND UP AND STOP ACCEPTING THIS SECOND CLASS CITIZEN CRAP.

I have a few words for all these jerks. Take your latte and BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS. You want your job? Take it or leave it. You want to get on board? STFU, roll up your sleeves, and get on board. You want off, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Hey Joel, all GM has to do is wave a wad of cash in front of someone like Chris Bangle.......have fun designing your Accents and your Sonatas (that you so obviously used a 98 Ford Escort as divine inspiration for) and such. No Corvettes for your portfolio. And Eddie Wellburn is doing quite a fine job guiding GM in your absence.

P.S Joel> I enjoy your work.....I see plenty of them at the Hertz I drive by every day....right next to the chinese restaurant/chinese laundry and the video rental store.

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It is amazing that the media is willing to forgive Hyundai and Kia 20 years of building nothing but sh*t  (let's face it:  ALL OF THEIR VEHICLES WERE SH*T, NOT SOME OF THEM!), yet they won't give GM a break on any of their vehicles, even though only SOME of them were sh*t over the past couple decades.

  I mean, WTF????????????????????????????????????????

 

  If I seen one more glowing report on the AZERA, or any other Korean POS, I will throw up! 

YES  their vehicles have improved

  YES  some of them are even nice enough to not be an embarassment on the road

  BUT REALLY?????

  We are witnessing two ends of the spectrum.  Toyota, who we all might agree does build some pretty decent vehicles and who has managed to coat itself in Teflon so nobody (especially the media) recalls any of the blunders or lies (current horsepower wars), gets all the breaks.  Toyota walks on water, but at least I would concede that some of the accolades are deserved.

  The other end of the spectrum, Hyundai - possibly the worst car company on the planet, has a couple good years and all is forgiven.

  UNBELIEVABLE.   F**KING UNBELIEVABLE.

I KNOW!!!! THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!!! THROW a 10/100 on anything and they will give it a pass............!

GM should try that! Instead of buyouts, match hyundais warranty!

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Wow, all this talk of working for GM and living in Michigan.

I used to think that working for GM would be the end-all job. I remember that, before I opted for grad school in architecture, I went to the MBA forum where all the schools put up booths. I seriously thought about U of M Ann Arbor. Seriously, including penciling out applications.

I then thought - great, inside track to GM - but would I be happy living there? Then, if you don't end up at GM, you just spent 2 years in Ann Arbor which didn't interest me in the least.

In fact, I wound up talking to a recruiter for GM. He told me that all of the automakers have trouble keeping people who came in from MBA programs on the coasts (Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Virginia) for this very reason. They've been burned and much rather hire Midwesterners from the highly ranked Midwestern schools.

I wonder how many MBAs are clamoring to work for GM these days? Oh well.

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