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Cadillac CT6 To have Aluminum Body and VSport Already Approved

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Will the new Cadillac CT6 have the rakish, expressive styling of the Elmiraj show car, or will it be a conservative evolution of the luxury brand’s current design language? While those questions will linger probably until the CT6 is unveiled later in 2015, AUTOMOBILE has learned this about the sedan, which uses General Motors’ new Omega full-size rear-wheel-drive platform: It will have an aluminum body.

The Cadillac CT6, which will be a bit smaller than a Mercedes-Benz S-Class but larger than the midsize CTS, also will be the first to use an engine, or engines, from GM’s upcoming four-/six-/eight-cylinder family. We have learned that while a CT6 Vsport has been approved for production, there’s no word on a CT6-V yet, so some sort of turbocharged- or supercharged-six seems likely.


http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1412-2016-ct6-cadillac-will-have-an-aluminum-body/  
 


Looks like the Ultra Engine Family may be back on as well. LOVING CADILLAC AND GM right now.

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I have read in other places that the CT6 will have nothing from the Elmiraj show car. Excited to hear about the aluminum body and lite weight. Be interesting to see if on this go around if a 4/6/8 engine can work for GM where the version from the 80's was a DOA.

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I have read in other places that the CT6 will have nothing from the Elmiraj show car. Excited to hear about the aluminum body and lite weight. Be interesting to see if on this go around if a 4/6/8 engine can work for GM where the version from the 80's was a DOA.

 

 

 

No.. the GM’s upcoming four-/six-/eight-cylinder family they are referring to is a 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, and 8cylinder exclusively for Cadillac. We are not taking about the 4/6/8 that was displacement on demand. GM has that licked and it works pretty flawlessly with just 8 to 4. These engines were the Ultras... They were shelved back in 2009 because of the BK and were developed to replace the Northstar

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it's not a 4/6/8 engine (that was an 8-6-4 anyway) it is that there will be 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder variants of the V8. GM already does variable displacement engines, but that isn't what they are talking about here.

Also, he posted this article today, but I think it is almost a certainty that the CT6 is going to be at NY and has been known for some time to be there. It won't be at chicago, that show has gotten a bit "small" in releases the past few years.

This article affirms my opinion that the CT6 is not going to be the flagship ultimately. It will be to the CTS what the A7 is to the A6.

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it's not a 4/6/8 engine (that was an 8-6-4 anyway) it is that there will be 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder variants of the V8. GM already does variable displacement engines, but that isn't what they are talking about here.

Also, he posted this article today, but I think it is almost a certainty that the CT6 is going to be at NY and has been known for some time to be there. It won't be at chicago, that show has gotten a bit "small" in releases the past few years.

This article affirms my opinion that the CT6 is not going to be the flagship ultimately. It will be to the CTS what the A7 is to the A6.

Thanks for the Clarity Drew. Exciting to see and read about when they do show it.

 

Happy Holidays to you and everyone else here.

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Aluminum body and Cadillac's own engine line are good news.  I'd rather see Cadillac do an inline six as opposed to a V6, for one they are better balanced and two it won't get confused with the V6 in a Chevy or Buick, because an inline six probably isn't fitting in those cars.  Although the Jaguar XJ and Audi A8 have an aluminum body and supercharged V6 and are the 2 worst sellers in the full size luxury sedan class, aside from the Maserati Quatroporte.  Cadillac should make a V12 for the CT6-V and an SUV above Escalade, unless they want to do an Escalde V to compete with the G65 AMG.

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Talked with my friend who runs Performance AutoBody here. They just finished getting one of their guys certified on Aluminum repairs for the Ford trucks. He told me he now feels it was a waste of time as the insurance companies are telling him they are focused on the replace the modular parts rather than repair items. At least he is ford certified for the new trucks, but wonders just how much body work will really be done with a list of prices and parts for replacing the bed, fender, door etc.

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I just took an online training course on repairing aluminum.  Not pretty AT ALL.

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Aluminum is not an issue in this class and price range.

 

No matter how Ford tried to spin it now but there is added cost to buy and expense to repair but in a higher price range it is much easier to accept.  Most others in this segment are already there and the rest will have to follow soon as the reduction on mass is key to keeping a larger car alive into the future.

 

The thing is with the increase of the use of aluminum in this segment more shows will be better trained and they will have the proper tools to deal with the repairs by the time it gets to the more common cars.

 

The CTS already if I recall is using aluminum doors now.

 

As for Flagship this is only the temporary flagship as it too will be superseded in the future by a even higher grade car. So when you use the term flagship keep in mind the context it is being used and when you compare. Cadillac is climbing the ladder of the segment and they are not yet to the top rung and are just working their way up.

 

As for Aluminum it will be a learning experience for all. also I expect it will affect insurance in some ways as many areas of the car will have to be replaced not repaired as the lack of memory in Aluminum is key for the lack of some things not being able to be repairs as we do not.

 

I expect new technologies will come and strategies for dealing with it too as it increases in use. The bottom line is it is here and it is only going to become more common with time.

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yeah, I'm not even sure I would call it a flagship really.  It is just a higher level car for Cadillac to offer over the CTS.  The Escalade and CTS-V will still be the flagships for now.

 

That's not to say that I don't expect fantastic things from this car, but if Johan is already talking about a CT9... well then...

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I am so sick of the over and misused term flagship.

 

I have been around for years and you never hear this term and each car was targeted to be best in it's segment. In days of old did you need to choose if the Eldorado as a flag ship of the Fleetwood? No.

 

This for now is going to be the largest and most advance Cadillac in a lineup that is being rebuilt. There is no need to tag each and every new large Cadillac as a Flagship until it really is the pinnacle car of where you are going.

Be it Cadillac, the media or even forums lets just hold the term till we get to where this is going as of now it is misleading and for many making the remake of Cadillac more confusing than it really needs to be.

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It will. The XTS is only going to be around for fleet or livery once it arrives. How long that last I am not sure with the rumors of Oshawa closing. It may be up to the CAW on if it lives or dies.

The XTS will essentially be the Captiva of  Cadillac.

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I would like to see the CT6 supersede the XTS posthaste.

 

My guess is that it moves production to the Lacrosse line and becomes a livery only vehicle... which is an utter shame because it is a fantastic vehicle especially in VSport form... it just isn't the image Cadillac is shooting for and I understand that.

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You hit the nail on the head,  This is where Cadillac was going to go and now they are now going for not good enough but the best. .

 

I still do not think we will lose the heart and soul of the XTS. I have considered some of it could move to a new Impala model or even the new class leading Buick as the TT turbo would better fit them as would the AWD.

 

There is a lot more going on at GM right now than they are letting on about. Watch the peripheral moves and it may tell a lot of what may happen.

The New Rule Of GM. For ever action there is a equal or greater reaction that will result from it.

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You hit the nail on the head,  This is where Cadillac was going to go and now they are now going for not good enough but the best. .

 

I still do not think we will lose the heart and soul of the XTS. I have considered some of it could move to a new Impala model or even the new class leading Buick as the TT turbo would better fit them as would the AWD.

 

There is a lot more going on at GM right now than they are letting on about. Watch the peripheral moves and it may tell a lot of what may happen.

The New Rule Of GM. For ever action there is a equal or greater reaction that will result from it.

 

The interesting thing about Buick is that once the new Verano arrives (not the pending refresh, but the all-new one), they will likely have a lineup where 100% of the models have AWD optional.  This could be an interesting marketing standpoint for Buick.

 

Edit: Doh! Forgot one coming model that won't get AWD for a while.... oh well... so much for that idea. 

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yeah, I'm not even sure I would call it a flagship really.  It is just a higher level car for Cadillac to offer over the CTS.  The Escalade and CTS-V will still be the flagships for now.

 

That's not to say that I don't expect fantastic things from this car, but if Johan is already talking about a CT9... well then...

They need a car to offer higher levels of luxury than the Escalade.  Part of Cadillac's problem is a dressed up Tahoe is their best vehicle and a CTS with a Corvette engine is their other.  You can't rely on Chevy parts to go against the world's best, you need a little better.  So my hope is the CT6 brings luxury and technology that surpasses any of their current line.  And perhaps a CT8, or CT9 will come along to set a new standard.  The Escaldade has been a bright spot for them, they need to pull some of those styling cues into a smaller crossover so you have Escalade feel, but at $50k.  Sort of what Land Rover did with the Evoque, you create Range Rover feel at a lower price point.

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I would like to see the CT6 supersede the XTS posthaste.

 

My guess is that it moves production to the Lacrosse line and becomes a livery only vehicle... which is an utter shame because it is a fantastic vehicle especially in VSport form... it just isn't the image Cadillac is shooting for and I understand that.

 

But isn't a CTS a better vehicle?  The XTS as a livery only vehicle makes sense, it serves that market and protects the "real" Cadillacs so to speak from fleet sales.  The market is moving, and if Cadillac wants to go on this quest after the Germans they need to build an image and the XTS doesn't build the right image.

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It depends on what a customer considers better. I prefer the comfort ride of the air Springs on the XTS and on the VSport model, a quick button push will tighten up the magnetic ride control to be as tight as the CTS. Only on the track would you find any difference between the two in performance mainly owing to the XTS's awd and CTS's lack of it.

I also prefer the room of the XTS. Nothing wrong with a CTS, the XTS is just more me.

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They need a car to offer higher levels of luxury than the Escalade.  Part of Cadillac's problem is a dressed up Tahoe is their best vehicle and a CTS with a Corvette engine is their other.  You can't rely on Chevy parts to go against the world's best, you need a little better.  So my hope is the CT6 brings luxury and technology that surpasses any of their current line.  And perhaps a CT8, or CT9 will come along to set a new standard.  The Escaldade has been a bright spot for them, they need to pull some of those styling cues into a smaller crossover so you have Escalade feel, but at $50k.  Sort of what Land Rover did with the Evoque, you create Range Rover feel at a lower price point.

^ Hard to get more ignorant than this.

 

 

But isn't a CTS a better vehicle?  The XTS as a livery only vehicle makes sense, it serves that market and protects the "real" Cadillacs so to speak from fleet sales.  The market is moving, and if Cadillac wants to go on this quest after the Germans they need to build an image and the XTS doesn't build the right image.

Funny how mercedes requires no "protection" from taxi sales, but Cadillac "needs" such from black car sales. Ignorance again.

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But isn't a CTS a better vehicle?  The XTS as a livery only vehicle makes sense, it serves that market and protects the "real" Cadillacs so to speak from fleet sales.  The market is moving, and if Cadillac wants to go on this quest after the Germans they need to build an image and the XTS doesn't build the right image.

Funny how mercedes requires no "protection" from taxi sales, but Cadillac "needs" such from black car sales. Ignorance again.

 

Mercedes doesn't have the fleet sales here, and in Europe it doesn't hurt them.  American and Japanese luxury makes have not made any impact on Europe.  Mercedes is strong in China also, they are posting record sales and record profits year after year.  Cadillac has a fragile image, a lot of luxury buyers in the USA see Cadillac as the old person's brand still.  The XTS has an old person's image, it should be turned into a Park Avenue Buick, let them use that for the livery car even.   Cadillac should have 2 retail sedans that cost the same though, that doesn't make sense.

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