Random Thoughts Thread

[A Horse With No Name]

 

[G. David Felt]

Very informational review and I agree with the one thing which has to do with the auto dealer you choose.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-suvs/i-lived-with-a-kia-ev9-for-a-year-there-s-only-one-thing-i-would-change/ar-AA1Q1aEh?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=691c8081e40b459d9571cf455c286261&ei=186

[A Horse With No Name]

 

30 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

Very informational review and I agree with the one thing which has to do with the auto dealer you choose.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-suvs/i-lived-with-a-kia-ev9-for-a-year-there-s-only-one-thing-i-would-change/ar-AA1Q1aEh?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=691c8081e40b459d9571cf455c286261&ei=186

Let me check this out when I get home. 

[ccap41]

1 hour ago, G. David Felt said:

Found multiple stories on this, but seems Gen 2 of the F150 Lighting is in the works, but due to the supplier issues, is looking at a 2027 debut. Currently Ford has confirmed that due to the Fire, the manufacturing line will be offline till at least mid 2026 before starting back up which would make sense for a gen 2 truck then, so will be interesting to see what they do. Does it go 800V, new platform rather than using the old ICE platform of the F150? Going to be interesting.
https://carbuzz.com/ford-lightning-second-generation/

I would have to imagine gen2 would be on its own bespoke platform, like the GM counterparts. I'd also REALLY hope they're smart enough to give it the best technology available with at least an 800v system. In all fairness, I don't believe there was an 800v EV out when the Lightning first debuted back in 2021. 

Before even submitting the comment I had to look up the first 800v EV and it was the Taycan in 2018. I know for sure it wasn't common back then. 

[G. David Felt]

Sadly Canada and Mexico get this bit we do not due to incompetence in D.C.

https://electrek.co/2025/11/18/kia-delaying-another-ev-indefinitely/

[G. David Felt]

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I would have to imagine gen2 would be on its own bespoke platform, like the GM counterparts. I'd also REALLY hope they're smart enough to give it the best technology available with at least an 800v system. In all fairness, I don't believe there was an 800v EV out when the Lightning first debuted back in 2021. 

Before even submitting the comment I had to look up the first 800v EV and it was the Taycan in 2018. I know for sure it wasn't common back then. 

The sad part was the Auto Industry had agreed on the 800V standard before Ford went forward with the F150 Lighting and your right Porsche Taycan took the standard and brought it to market first. Ford like so many other auto companies had bought the tear down on the Tesla and knew what Tesla was, why then only build to their 400V equal when the spec was agreed upon to 800V. GM did this and was not that far behind Ford in bringing their 800V EVs to market, so I feel Ford took short cuts to be second when they could have built better accepting that Rivian was already out at 400V and they could have hit the market with 800V on par with GM at the time.

Will be interesting to see what happens as the Koreans have stated to have mid-size and possible full size 800V EV pickups as well as Hybrid pickups coming out soon.

Interesting times for sure.

[oldshurst442]

40 minutes ago, G. David Felt said:

The sad part was the Auto Industry had agreed on the 800V standard before Ford went forward with the F150 Lighting and your right Porsche Taycan took the standard and brought it to market first. Ford like so many other auto companies had bought the tear down on the Tesla and knew what Tesla was, why then only build to their 400V equal when the spec was agreed upon to 800V. GM did this and was not that far behind Ford in bringing their 800V EVs to market, so I feel Ford took short cuts to be second when they could have built better accepting that Rivian was already out at 400V and they could have hit the market with 800V on par with GM at the time.

Will be interesting to see what happens as the Koreans have stated to have mid-size and possible full size 800V EV pickups as well as Hybrid pickups coming out soon.

Interesting times for sure.

 

GM's Ultium formerly known as, is actually a 400V system.  The Chevy EV pick-up truck, the Hummer EV and the Escalade are dual 400V set-ups working in tandem to emulate a 800V set-up.  I guess the way the battery packs are set-up in that truck platform. The batteries stacked up one on top of the other. Amongst other things, I suppose. 

The other Ultium platformed EVs with the single battery pack is just a 400V set-up. 

But I also read somewhere that GM has an 800V successor platform ready to go on sale in China right now.  But is stalling due to reasons. Stalling here and there...   Rumours and/or disinformation it could be though.  
 

Edited 2 hours ago by oldshurst442

[oldshurst442]

In other news.

The usa still sucks shyte!!! 

 

If its a Democrat problem, then arrest all democrats on  raping women, sex trafficking and sex with under age girls.  

Yeah about that....

Trump is also on that list so...

Lets get this right.  The main idea on this is that trump is on that list... 

And it would be your president. 

Shameful, disgraceful and disgusting.

Unlawful, unruly and ungodly.

Not trustworthy, not ethical, not honourable and quite frankly, quite phoquing scary that americans are capable of accepting this shyte as their representative of their country and people.  ALL americans... 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by oldshurst442

[ccap41]

35 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

If its a Democrat problem, then arrest all democrats on  raping women, sex trafficking and sex with under age girls.  

Democrat, republican or independent; jail them and let them starve to death.

[oldshurst442]

Going back to the Ultium platform.

I said that the batteries on the trucks are stacked up on each other and amongst other things that make it an 800V system.

While true that the batteries on the Escalade, Hummers and Chevy EV pick up truck ARE stacked on top of each other, that does NOT make the system an 800V system.  The fact that the two battery packs are connected IN SERIES makes them an 800V system. And that was what I was inferring to when I said "amongst other things".  

I read somewheres that GM knew to make the Ultium platform an 800V system at launch but figured the EV charging system was not capable of charging at those 800V fast charging speeds then so a 400V system was good enough.     Again, I do not know if this is misinformation.   

GM went to dual 400V systems on two battery packs connected in series to emulate an 800V system on the trucks in that GM knew that range and charging speeds and all that where GM has an advantage to other truckish EVs were going to be a factor. 

The EV range on these truck EVs are amongst the best EV ranges in the world. Never you mind that there are two huge battery packs with a shyte ton of KW/H to them making at least one of the three trucks, the Hummer EVs, a very piss poor efficient EV.  (The Hummer SUV and the Hummer pick-up are blended into one product in my rants)  Some folk talk about how bad the efficiency is.  But most applaud the range of these EV trucks.   Also, these two huge battery packs make for extremely heavy EVs.  I would assume the most heavy of ANY civilian EVs on sale to date.  

Edited 1 hour ago by oldshurst442

[G. David Felt]

2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

 

GM's Ultium formerly known as, is actually a 400V system.  The Chevy EV pick-up truck, the Hummer EV and the Escalade are dual 400V set-ups working in tandem to emulate a 800V set-up.  I guess the way the battery packs are set-up in that truck platform. The batteries stacked up one on top of the other. Amongst other things, I suppose. 

The other Ultium platformed EVs with the single battery pack is just a 400V set-up. 

But I also read somewhere that GM has an 800V successor platform ready to go on sale in China right now.  But is stalling due to reasons. Stalling here and there...   Rumours and/or disinformation it could be though.  
 

Yes all but the full size are true 400V and according to their Ultium website they are 800V designed but purposefully throttled at 400V due to the current infrastructure not being ready for 800V. The full size is GMs hybrid version that supposedly could be turned on to 800V but a choice was made to go parallel for charging speed due to the larger than normal battery packs.

I honestly do not expect GM to actually push out a software update on the full size now that 800V DC fast charging is pretty common all over, more so on the west and east coast than the Midwest. 

GM and Fords failure is to not accept that the technology would transform so much faster which is why the Koreans are winning the EV tech battle especially being competitive with the Chinese. Ford CEO even admits that it was a mistake to not go 800V and GM while stating that generation 2 of their EV platform will be 800V across everything and could be higher makes me wonder if they really will push forward with better tech or lumber along rather than lead the industry.

While rare, we are already seeing 500V and above chargers coming out installed rather than additional 350V DC chargers. ChargePoint showed off their 500V chargers which I posted the press release about a while back and starting in January they will start updating all the oldest DC ChargePoint chargers with this new speedy unit that also has cut proof cables. Pretty much I feel the industry needs to move to 1000V EV powertrain systems at least if not 1,200V ensuring performance, charging speed, etc. IMHO.