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33 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Poking around online shows 'Top Tier' is a specification entity developed by OEMs & fuel retailers, that determines if a given gasoline meets the criteria and can be so advertised.

toptiergas.com, the entity in question, has no mention of "different levels" of Top Tier. It either meets the criteria, or it does not. Perhaps your trusted retailer friend is simply erroneous here, despite his conviction. It's happened.

Keep searching. Again, "you get what you pay for" will always hold true. There's a reason it's cheap AF! You guys know that!

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3 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Links from Costco's site? Really David? What are they going to say? "Our gasoline sucks." LOL!!! YES, Costco gas is a lower grade or level of "Top Tier". They can add their generic Kirkland brand of detergent all they want, but it doesn't mean they didn't start with a lower grade of fuel like they do. Like I said before one of my trusted family friends in the NW has owned several Unocal 76 gas stations for over 30 years (so not Shell or Chevron) but still Top Tier and has his own trucks running fuel from the huge distribution tanks at the port and sees first hand and talks to the refinery guys when he buys so there are different grades of gas as well. High level Top Tier gas like Chevron and Shell closely regulate their high quality proprietary detergents and don't depend on some kid or grandpa like at the Costco gas station to remember to or to dump the right amount of detergent into the underground tanks before the trucks get there. Yes, that's what they do, NO THANKS. Also, I'm not talking about the pumps and filters, of course you always want to go to a clean and busy station to get the freshest, cleanest gas. I would steer clear of a Mom and Pop gas station as well, no matter what brand. I go to a large clean Shell station near an interstate and if the trucks are filling the tanks at any gas station always keep driving as any underground tanks have sediment sometimes very microscopic that gets stirred up that can still pass through or around the filters and into your tank. Pump whatever gas you want I'm going with a trusted friends advice who sees first hand and an ASI Certified mechanics advice as well.

 

For your elderly parents I get using the car "port-a-potty", but you can't take an exit off the highway and find a bush down a separate road for yourself? 😂

WRONG WRONG WRONG,

If you actually researched the gas and the certification for Top Tier you would know that Costco gets their gas from the same distribution pipe as Shell, Exxon, Mobile, etc. Top Tier Gas is all the same. 

The only difference is in the case of Chevron which has Techron added to the Top Tier gas when the distribution trucks are filled. That is a very different additive than traditional top tier detergents.

THERE IS NO TOP TIER, MID TIER, LOW TIER gas. Gas either meets the Top Tier Spec or Not.

You Are WRONG on this in so many ways as is your trusted family friend. 

IF GM Recommends Top Tier Gas from Costco then how would they be wrong and your trusted friend be right?

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I heard that the only way Costco can afford to sell 40 16-oz bottles of water for $3 is that they simply collect rainwater from the gutters on their buildings & put it into the used water bottles raided from local bins on recycling day.

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Must be the same way Costco can sell Chevron Techron 20oz in a two pack for $12.99 is to buy their gas and then extract the product from the gas and then sell the gas cheaply at the Costco pumps. ;) 

I see that O'Reilly's auto parts store has one 20 oz for $13.99

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10 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

We will socially distance OCN from anything electric

Thanks for that.  Even before the 'rona, I've diligently social distanced myself from ppl who expel gas.  It's a feather in my cap, surely.

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11 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I am wanting to make a trip out east with friends. Might be interested in a Road Trip and a C and G get together. 

We will socially distance OCN from anything electric and Balthazar from vehicles built after 1968....just kidding...would love to get everyone together. 

And Duck tape on my mouth... 😉  Does sound like fun though....

Busy day. Finished staining the deck. Now on to my son 12th Birthday party!!!!!!

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41 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Thanks for that.  Even before the 'rona, I've diligently social distanced myself from ppl who expel gas.  It's a feather in my cap, surely.

Makes sense...I finally figured out who you REALLY are! 

You are Yankee Doodle!

You distance yourself from things expelling gas...so Im betting you ride a pony.  Although ponies also expel another type of, ahem, gas. Hear me out.   I got another clue.

You got a feather in your cap.  All I gots to know if you call THAT, macaroni.   

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, dfelt said:

WRONG WRONG WRONG,

If you actually researched the gas and the certification for Top Tier you would know that Costco gets their gas from the same distribution pipe as Shell, Exxon, Mobile, etc. Top Tier Gas is all the same. 

The only difference is in the case of Chevron which has Techron added to the Top Tier gas when the distribution trucks are filled. That is a very different additive than traditional top tier detergents.

THERE IS NO TOP TIER, MID TIER, LOW TIER gas. Gas either meets the Top Tier Spec or Not.

You Are WRONG on this in so many ways as is your trusted family friend. 

IF GM Recommends Top Tier Gas from Costco then how would they be wrong and your trusted friend be right?

AGAIN, you get what you pay for. Don't you remotely wonder at all why it's 25 - 30 cents less per gallon?! It's not bulk purchase pricing either.

One GM dealership is not the know all be all who know NOTHING about gasoline like my family friend who F'n worked with it for over 30 years! GM uses the Costco Auto program that gives $500-1000 rebate towards a new car or truck along with other auto makers so there's that incentive for the dealer to tell customers that as well. I love Costco merchandise and food, but would never pump their gas in anything but a U-haul rental like I have that then ran like total crap afterwards pinging away down the road, was probably half water. Here's some reading for you with no mention of Costco gasoline... 

https://www.motortrend.com/news/all-fuels-are-not-created-equal-technologue/

Just go buy the EV you've been yearning for and you won't have to worry about pumping crap gas 😂 

3 hours ago, balthazar said:

I heard that the only way Costco can afford to sell 40 16-oz bottles of water for $3 is that they simply collect rainwater from the gutters on their buildings & put it into the used water bottles raided from local bins on recycling day.

With a little bit of BS urine from @dfelt Port-a-Potty pack! 🤣

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10 hours ago, USA-1 said:

AGAIN, you get what you pay for. Don't you remotely wonder at all why it's 25 - 30 cents less per gallon?! It's not bulk purchase pricing either.

If you keep making these kind of claims, I have one of my own.  For the last 6 years I was putting Costco gas in my G37S and I drove it for over 150k miles in those years (I was putting about 29k miles a year).  The car has now over 190k miles. Engine still runs great. 

So lets agree to disagree on Costco gas.  

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I'm pretty sure Costco sells gas to attempt to drive traffic to their store, not to make much of a profit on it.

I've just grown tired of the lineups so I rarely fill up there unless I know it is a quiet time, around 9am on a weekday.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, frogger said:

I'm pretty sure Costco sells gas to attempt to drive traffic to their store, not to make much of a profit on it.

I've just grown tired of the lineups so I rarely fill up there unless I know it is a quiet time, around 9am on a weekday.

Costco gas stations at least here in Washington are open 5am to 9pm 7 days a week. I see long lines usually in the afternoon and early evening. Rarely in the mornings or late night.

It is interesting to see the same company trucks come and fill up the costco stations and then go across the street to the Shell and fill up their tanks. As @USA-1 posted link, it is true that not all gas is created equal and you do have farm grade cheap ass gas. Yet with the standards today and the fact that cheaper farm grade gas is also sold at local pumps and clearly marked, not all auto's can handle the cheaper gas especially those blended with ethanol.

Costco has their certifications posted at the pumps and online as their detergent gas comes from the same distribution centers and is certified Top Tier and like @ykX stated, I have auto's with 200,000 miles on them running still just fine on Costco gas too.

Why the long response to you, is that you HIT THE NAIL on the Head and Costco is on record that the gas is an additional benefit they offer to help their members do one stop shopping, just like tires. It is not about maximizing a profit on every sale but about offering value to the members who then also go in and spend on average $150 per trip into a costco to get stuff.

The Business model is about generating profits on large about of turn over at an average of 5% mark up. Yes there are some products brought in that clearly have a much larger mark up, but Costco business model on how they built the business has always been on the average small markup on sales of thousands of units rather than a large markup on a few sales.

Costco gas is the same thing, they buy Bulk Top Tier Gas to offer at a small markup to their members as the general public cannot buy gas there. A benefit to membership, unlike a shell, Exxon or Mobil where the franchise owner has a large % markup so that they can make a small profit after they pay all the fees to the oil company.

Two different business models, some get suckered into paying crazy high gas prices for the same grade of gas versus others who see the value and benefit from having less outlay in cost.

FYI @USA-1 The recommendation from my Cadillac dealership is not the only GM dealership as both the east side Bellevue Chevrolet/Cadillac Dealership where I bought my SS and the Everett Chevrolet Dealership as well as the Everett Buick dealership where my sister bought her Buick all recommend Costco as it is a CERTIFIED TOP TIER GAS SUPPLIER.

End of explaining this, I wish you the best paying out much higher gas prices to your local Shell or which ever name gas station you use. Happy your happy with your auto performance on their over priced gas. Like you said you get what you pay for and in your mind you have a superior product.

Interesting that my custom tuned SS runs so awesome on Costco Premium gas as it always has required and I am at 140,000 miles on my SS and it runs better now than it did the day I bought it new from the dealership. Seems Costco gas is a quality less expensive product for me.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

It is interesting to see the same company trucks come and fill up the costco stations and then go across the street to the Shell and fill up their tanks. As @USA-1 posted link, it is true that not all gas is created equal and you do have farm grade cheap ass gas. Yet with the standards today and the fact that cheaper farm grade gas is also sold at local pumps and clearly marked, not all auto's can handle the cheaper gas especially those blended with ethanol.

Costco is on record that the gas is an additional benefit they offer to help their members do one stop shopping, just like tires. It is not about maximizing a profit on every sale but about offering value to the members

Costco gas is the same thing, they buy Bulk Top Tier Gas to offer at a small markup to their members as the general public cannot buy gas there. A benefit to membership, unlike a shell, Exxon or Mobil where the franchise owner has a large % markup so that they can make a small profit after they pay all the fees to the oil company.

FYI @USA-1 The recommendation from my Cadillac dealership is not the only GM dealership as both the east side Bellevue Chevrolet/Cadillac Dealership where I bought my SS and the Everett Chevrolet Dealership as well as the Everett Buick dealership where my sister bought her Buick all recommend Costco as it is a CERTIFIED TOP TIER GAS SUPPLIER.

WRONG. Shell does NOT pump the same fuel from the same trucks into their tanks that Costco does. I've seen the SHELL branded truck at my Shell station when I drive by that definitely isn't going to Costco before or after, because I've seen the generic marked tanker at or even a Costco marked tanker at Costco so they buy whatever they can find. Shell and Chevron blend their high-end Top Tier fuel with their detergents at the refineries not willy-nilly at the pumps like Costco, so that's BS comment.

Here in Arizona we have fuel points at my local Fry's Marketplace where I shop (owned by Kroger just like Fred Meyer in the NW). The interesting little tidbit for you is we get .10- .20 off per gal at any SHELL station around as well as a dollar off at Fry's stations. Fry's fuel I would never pump even with that much off per gallon as it will cost you more in the end in fuel system and/or other engine repair. So, the grocery store chains like Kroger or Albertson's/Safeway have the gas station in place to attract shoppers as well. 

AGAIN, the GM dealerships want you to have a Costco Membership and I know they mention that they have the Auto Program that gives $1,000 Member Only Incentive on a new purchase like... https://www.costcoauto.com/save/Brand.aspx?utm_content=chevy01&makeid=7&cmpc=1 because I used it when I bought my new 2018 Silverado in 2018.

So the dealerships have their own incentive to push you to Costco pumps, no other reason for it. Why the F would they care where you pump your gas if they didn't have an incentive of their own to get you there, it's not the gas that's for sure.

You go right ahead and burn that gas that by the way isn't purchased as Top Tier like you stated. ALL the petroleum companies or in this case big box store merchandiser make it Top Tier with THEIR OWN blend and some ARE higher quality than others and well as the fuel.

Thanks for your time with this matter, it's been fun. 😜

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Yup, wrong again @USA-1

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These are the only refineries in Washington and suppliers via distribution points to ALL GAS Stations. Yes Shell, Chevron, Exxon, etc. do have their own labeled trucks, but they cannot supply all the time to their own branded store via their own branded trucks and as such since all these refineries resell unbranded fuel, aka their surplus fuel under the B2B process, this is where Costco get's their Top Tier Fuels. 

As long as it meets the certification, Costco sells Top Tier fuel at a bargain to their members and that means one day you might fuel with Shell, next Chevron, next Exxon. Yes they buy from who ever has capacity to sell and they do it as an unbranded fuel purchase, reselling it as Kirkland Signature with the same certification that Shell, Chevron, Exxon, etc. also got as it is the same fuel.

Yup been fun pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

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18 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Yup been fun pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

"The Messiah" says "flaws in thinking" while he can't even see many of his own.

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Im trying to match Balthy's old time pics. But mine will always be within a Montreal realm. 

There was a short time when Montreal had little shytty Renaults as cop cars.  I believe this to be a Renault 8.  From the '60s I assume.  Dont really know why on earth Montreal decided to have a fleet of these. I think it was a Youth Squad for rookies to learn how to do a "beat" 

Montreal cops standing outside of their Renault cruiser (1970 ...

And a row of these shytty Renaults.

Coolopolis: Montreal Police Renault fleet of Youth Squad cars

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1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Im trying to match Balthy's old time pics. But mine will always be within a Montreal realm. 

There was a short time when Montreal had little shytty Renaults as cop cars.  I believe this to be a Renault 8.  From the '60s I assume.  Dont really know why on earth Montreal decided to have a fleet of these. I think it was a Youth Squad for rookies to learn how to do a "beat"  

 

Used them because they were built locally? Saint Bruno, Quebec

http://www.oldcarscanada.com/2011/08/1966-renault-8.html

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^^^  I did not know that.  About the Renault 8 being built in Saint Bruno.  I mean, I knew Renault had a plant here, its just that I thought it was the Renault 5 "Le Car" being built here.   There were a few of these "Le Cars" around back in the day that I assumed when I learned in my teens that Renault had a plant here  that 'twas it that was manufactured here.  I never saw and got the chance to see the Renault 8 on Montreal roads.  I never knew this car even existed as even in Greece, I dont remember ever seeing this car. 

And yeah, it makes sense that  Montreal bought these because it was built locally.  Logical.  

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2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Im trying to match Balthy's old time pics.

I 'do this' on another forum. Prolly 500 posted to date.  I love snapshots of 'days gone by'.
Vadito NM 1943 :
 

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I enjoy them immensely. 

When I could, when I have the time and I actually find a pic that tells kinda the same narrative but with a Montreal POV, Ill reciprocate your snapshot "of days gone by".  For yours and the forum's enjoyment.  

And for me, by reciprocating you, is a gesture of saying thanks and that I appreciate your snaps of days gone by. 

 

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I suspect Robert Hall looks upon these like some folk believe the Moon landing was faked; 'How could it be real when I didn't experience it'?  ;)

Durham NC 1940 :

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2 hours ago, balthazar said:

I suspect Robert Hall looks upon these like some folk believe the Moon landing was faked; 'How could it be real when I didn't experience it'?  ;)

Durham NC 1940 :

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Yea, these have to be staged, the old days were never that clean. ;)

 

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Was searching something car related, and something C&G came up.

Clicked on it....

Makes me realize how many members we have had over the years.....both good and bad.

Dang, I’ve been here a long time.... 😮 

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