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Brookville Area School District teachers have gone on strike, therefore delaying school until sometime in October. This means that I have an extra month of summer and will not get out of school until almost July. My school has no A/C... It's going to be a living hell. Otherwise, I can't really complain and do think teachers are underpaid.
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teachers are very underpaid people... the "pro athelets" should get a cut on their pay (except hockey players) and the teachers should get the remaining of that cut.... and i know there is something about teachers and foriegn car purchases, i read it somewhere dont remember what it said, but i agree completely
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My mom is an elementary school teacher at a small school district, and teachers are VERY underpaid. She's been working there for about 25 years now but her pay has been frozen at the same level since the mid 90s. It doesn't matter how much experience you have...once you reach that point, there's no more climbing further up the ladder. Considering the upcoming shortage of teachers in the near future due to all the retirees and low interest in education among young people, you'd think the government would start raising the salaries before our schools go to crap.
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Well, I just heard that we may begin going on Saturdays to be out be June 15th according to my bro's Football coach. If this is the case, I may break my old record of missing like 17 days in one school year. I refuse to go on Saturdays. No way, no how. F**k that. I'd rather roast...
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Yes, teachers are underpaid. But then again they get about 3 months off of work during the year http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/AH-HA_wink.gif

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Well, I read a study once, that with all the work they do outside of work, before work, after work, on weekends, during holiday breaks, etc., teachers actually work the equivalent of a full-time employee, with 2 weeks vacation/year. They just do it in 9 months instead of 12.
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Well, I read a study once, that with all the work they do outside of work, before work, after work, on weekends, during holiday breaks, etc., teachers actually work the equivalent of a full-time employee, with 2 weeks vacation/year.  They just do it in 9 months instead of 12.

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I hear that....on her "vacations", my sister (a HS art teacher) is usually either grading projects and/or tests, writing out interim reports, writing out a syllabus, getting materials ready for the next project, putting together a list of supplies for her annual budget, or just coming down from a rather bad day with the students. It's a job that you have to take home with you. I envy anyone that can do that, because I sure can't.
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Teaching is a good gig. All teachers live above the average wage of their communities. Its a 7 hour work day. Its a 5 day work week. All the paid holidays +. Christmas vacation, winter/spring recess, 180 days folks thats it, 180 days. They have the slack time during study hall duty to do the grading, a little time at night but they did only have a 7 hour work day. 8-3 around here. I came from a schoolin family. Many relatives teaching and my father was eventually an administrator. My sister became a teacher, she told me at the end of the first year, I should look into it. First few years is more work because they are learning and getting their system down, after that its same thing year after year. they know the program, the assignments, the tests and quiz's, the methods how to deal with the different personalities. Sorry I dont feel sorry for teachers, they have a good gig. Schools have doubled and in some districts tripled their income from taxes in the past 15 years. It doesnt get any better than that. Come on 45,000 and the summer off? 65,000 and the summer off ? The rural teachers are pissing and moaning because they dont make the income the teachers do from the burbs, well guess what, the country folks dont have the stupid money the people from the burbs do either. Quit trying to raise our standards when we dont have the means to do it. We couldnt afford the annual taxes on those burbian houses let alone the mortgage, dont expect to live burbian standards and live in the sticks, same goes for the inner cities I would guess.
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Teaching is a good gig. All teachers live above the average wage of their communities. Its a 7 hour work day. Its a 5 day work week. All the paid holidays +. Christmas vacation, winter/spring recess, 180 days folks thats it, 180 days. They have the slack time during study hall duty to do the grading, a little time at night but they did only have a 7 hour work day. 8-3 around here.

I came from a schoolin family. Many relatives teaching and my father was eventually an administrator. My sister became a teacher, she told me at the end of the first year, I should look into it.

First few years is more work because they are learning and getting their system down, after that its same thing year after year. they know the program, the assignments, the tests and quiz's, the methods how to deal with the different personalities.

Sorry I dont feel sorry for teachers, they have a good gig. Schools have doubled and in some districts tripled their income from taxes in the past 15 years. It doesnt get any better than that.

Come on 45,000 and the summer off? 65,000 and the summer off ?

The rural teachers are pissing and moaning because they dont make the income the teachers do from the burbs, well guess what, the country folks dont have the stupid money the people from the burbs do either. Quit trying to raise our standards when we dont have the means to do it. We couldnt afford the annual taxes on those burbian houses let alone the mortgage, dont expect to live burbian standards and live in the sticks, same goes for the inner cities I would guess.

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Okay, well, I disagree with the above. I can't afford a freaking apartment's rent on 45,000/year. Some locations need more money than that to survive. I would just be able to barely pay rent and food bills--much less car, auto insurance, apartment insurance, clothes, supplies (which, by the way--schools NEVER give you even half of what you use--it's not uncommon for a teacher to spend a few hundred dollars out of pocket to get what they need to do the job)... summers off? No a/c when it's 95 degrees in June? Summers have to be worked because you can't afford not to? Dealing with snotty kids and their parents? It's not as cut and dry as you think.
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Paulie I kinda covered some of that here if you interpret it as I meant it. "The rural teachers are pissing and moaning because they dont make the income the teachers do from the burbs, well guess what, the country folks dont have the stupid money the people from the burbs do either. Quit trying to raise our standards when we dont have the means to do it. We couldnt afford the annual taxes on those burbian houses let alone the mortgage, dont expect to live burbian standards and live in the sticks, same goes for the inner cities I would guess." We dont have a combined income of 45,000. Rent is high because of school taxes - ? Like I've said 3-4 hundred a month right there for taxes. I couldnt deal with the kids, thats why I dont teach, I am a good teacher however, but have no tolerance for BS. I can deal with bugs and dirt and grease and wood chips, thats why I do what I do, I dont think many teachers could deal with the crap I deal with and certainly dont have the overhead, ultra demanding must do's and must do nows, always learning, new skills, I could go on but my point is teachers have a pretty slick life. There must be 6 or seven teachers in my family some of whom are professors. Yep 2 professors, 4 school teachers and my fathers administrators job. Then I know so many of my fathers former facilty. Most retired now, still kinda young, traveling the world, mowing the lawn, that kind of stuff. Many great people amounst them, still I dont feel sorry for them and I dont think they expect me to.
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Razor... I don't understand you. You say that about teachers yet you defend UAW workers... :blink:

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Thats what I was thinking. I think teachers are underpaid, and UAW is overpaid. But I guess since teachers dont get dirty and dont do physical labor they should be paid less right? Edited by CaddyXLR-V
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Some of the replies to this thread make me laugh. Teachers deserve a little more respect than most people give them. They do have the job of educating the people of this country. . no small task. The market for teachers, at least in the state I live in, is getting smaller by the year, and we are upon a shortage, so guess what, homeowners are going to be paying more for teachers because nobody wants to be an underpaid (YES! I SAID UNDERPAID!) babysitter who is also supposed to be their teacher, mother, father, uncle, grandparent, counselor, protector, and role model. Oh, and proof that we are underpaid. A babysitter gets paid, say, $5/hour. Well, I personally have 105 students. Lets do some math. $5/hr X 7 (hours) = $35 $35 X 105 = $3,675 (per day) $3,675 X 5 = $18,375 (per week) $18,375 X 7 = $128,625 (per year) What I make per year $52,559 I only included 7 months because I know you guys hate paying us for all of the holidays we supposedly get (I spend mine planning and grading papers) and not paying us for our "summers off" we are required to spend taking workshops and professional development classes, which comes straight out of our pockets by the way. So basically, yes. I'd rather be a babysitter. As you can see its far more lucrative than the career I chose. Its also a career I do not regret choosing, and I am not complaining about my salary, but I do think that others not in education should not take teachers for granted. If it wasnt for teachers you wouldnt be where you are today. Mister Chief Middle School Science Teacher Edited by Chief
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Hey Chief, no disrespect, like I said I grew up around many teachers, they were everywhere in my life. BUT- that old babysitter routine is old and very tacky, I heard it so many times, its like the teachers swan song. "lets do the baby sitter math" 52,000 is excellent pay.........is it not?????????? if not, I really need a raise because its more than double anything Ive ever made working 50 weeks a year. Its a salary, its 52,000 per year, its not dont get paid during summer. Its 52,000 per year. then you have no benefits......right........ <_< , so the package = how much? Ok never mind Chief, you know and I know that most people dont want to be teachers anymore because there is no disipline in schools, children and teenagers are unruley and no one can deal with it because, well they cant deal with it. Children have the rights today, children rule and adults hang their heads. There are lots of people that would like to make that kind of money and benes, its got nothing to do with the money, its the modern rules and laws that protect nasty kids. Black and Caddy :rolleyes: good little smoke screen but, I dont recall saying teachers should give back money........did I ?????????? Must have :unsure: I think I said it was a good gig and I dont feel sorry for them. I think I said their job includes lots and lots of time off. I know, when my father was a teacher he worked for a tree surgeon during vacations, but he also built his own home, himself, plus a camp and various other things like going to college for his masters to become an adminstrator. These are not things that are possible for most other occupations especially the majority population that lives below the standard of the teachers that work in their childrens school. I would like to leave everyone with another old time famous cleche giving by school systems at budget voting time. "Give us a raise because its an investment in your childrens future." but....if you paid attention in school you would know how to read between the lines and see that it really says.... "give us a raise so we can invest in our future" :o No offence Chief and Paulie, just putting things in perspective. Onces again I have known many great people that were teachers and other various duties in the school system as well as a few college people. I did not say teachers suck and should be destroyed and should work for the wages of India, Korea, China so their schools "can be competitive" Hey!!!!!!! Theres an idea.........oh never mind.
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BTW Chief - you teach 105 students every hour ? Sorry I had to call you on that one. Wanna take your school budget and divide it by student population and then we'll talk. It makes college look cheap. I had a thought about a slogan for the UAW "Buy American built cars for more, because it will be an investment in Americas future" Would that one be a lie ? Is there something between the lines that Im not reading there ? :unsure:
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Black and Caddy :rolleyes: good little smoke screen but, I dont recall saying teachers should give back money........did I ?????????? Must have :unsure:


Give back money? If you mean getting paid less... Not directly, but I sense that you implied it. If you didn't... you must think UAW workers have it good too, right?

Look, I'm just confused because this seems 'oxymoron' like, IMO... So, can you clear some things up?

Then again... You seem to be against careers that require schooling. :huh: :D
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Give back money? If you mean getting paid less... Not directly, but I sense that you implied it. If you didn't... you must think UAW workers have it good too, right?

Look, I'm just confused because this seems 'oxymoron' like, IMO... So, can you clear some things up?

Then again... You seem to be against careers that require schooling. :huh: :D

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Wow, now Im against careers that require schooling ey ? Or is it that Im against the predjudice that comes from those that have had "schooling" that think those that havent deserve little - regardless. Or that there is no "schooling" that goes on outside of "school".

Did I say UAW workers have it bad ???????????? Was I calling for more money for UAW workers ?????????? Hows your teachers doing with you ? Your reading comprehension seems about as good as my spelling. Just read what I say and absorb it, dont put words in my mouth.

Any posts I have made regarding Unions have been about Unions, organized labor and decent incomes for all contributors to society, not UAW, I stay away from that because I know nothing about the auto industry. So pulling the UAW out and throwing it at me is BS. I noticed it was kinda like some people thought I was UAW or even manufacturing, but Im not. Im about decent money for all decent contributing Americans.

Once again just incase it went over the head. I think teachers make damn good money. They are also the strongest Union in NY State.

Do a little research and find out what some of your teachers earn and compare it to your parents and other neighbors. Teaching is a good gig. If you have ability to transfer knowledge so that is can be absorbed and the ability to tolerate ignorance and many other human games, teaching will bring you a good life.

Still confused I suppose? :unsure:
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Okay... I probably came off in a bad. So some of this might be my fault.

Wow, now Im against careers that require schooling ey ? Or is it that Im against the predjudice that comes from those that have had "schooling" that think those that havent deserve little - regardless. Or that there is no "schooling" that goes on outside of "school".

Ooookay... :blink: I kind of meant what I said in jest. Hence the smilies.

Did I say UAW workers have it bad ???????????? Was I calling for more money for UAW workers ?????????? Hows your teachers doing with you ? Your reading comprehension seems about as good as my spelling. Just read what I say and absorb it, dont put words in my mouth.

Oookay... Once again. Did I say that you said all that? Nooo... I don't think sooo. Therefore, I didn't put words in your mouth. However, I'm reading what you're saying, but having a hard time absorbing it as it doesn't make sense to me. To me, it seems that you support the UAW, yet not teachers. Now, you didn't say that, but that's the vibe I am getting. I would think that if someone thought teachers had it good, they would think the UAW had it good too. Still, going by memory, I think I recall that you supported what the UAW got and didn't think they deserved cuts. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I remember. Sadly, I can't look back and make sure since we're on new boards.

Any posts I have made regarding Unions have been about Unions, organized labor and decent incomes for all contributors to society, not UAW, I stay away from that because I know nothing about the auto industry. So pulling the UAW out and throwing it at me is BS. I noticed it was kinda like some people thought I was UAW or even manufacturing, but Im not. Im about decent money for all decent contributing Americans.

Then why is it that there are many posts by you in the old threads about the UAW that are the opposite of the people bashing it? Huh? I don't understand. If it's what you say... then why the hell did you post in the first place?

Still confused I suppose?

To answer your question... Yes, I am. I asked for you to clear some things up and you twisted what I said out of proportion and put it against me; all while being stubborn. All I want is clearity and to understand where your at. I'm not getting that... Okay?

Damn... I need start taking drugs or something... :wacko:
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OK Ill make this simple hopefully. Ill do it as a comparision and you can be the judge. I cnat put any more effort into this because its not my kind of game. Please compare the attitude and what I said in my first post on this topic which I will copy and paste. Compare that to some of the crap you may be able to remember people saying about UAW workers and "what the deserve" and "what should be done to them" , ect. I cant copy and paste those peoples comments because they are gone but I ewouldnt put the effort into it anyhow. I dont think what I said here indicates me wanting the death of teachers, death of teacher unions, teachers thrown out in the streets because they cant afford rent or their mortgages any more because they are overpaid. If you absorbed anything that was writtin by the anti blue collar freaks posting on those Union topics I think you would find what I said here to be quite tasteful, and not negitive. I can say no more, if this is the same as the crap that was being posted on those anti Union and anti "non educated" blue collar topics, I must be having flashbacks to the seventies " Teaching is a good gig. All teachers live above the average wage of their communities. Its a 7 hour work day. Its a 5 day work week. All the paid holidays +. Christmas vacation, winter/spring recess, 180 days folks thats it, 180 days. They have the slack time during study hall duty to do the grading, a little time at night but they did only have a 7 hour work day. 8-3 around here. I came from a schoolin family. Many relatives teaching and my father was eventually an administrator. My sister became a teacher, she told me at the end of the first year, I should look into it. First few years is more work because they are learning and getting their system down, after that its same thing year after year. they know the program, the assignments, the tests and quiz's, the methods how to deal with the different personalities. Sorry I dont feel sorry for teachers, they have a good gig. Schools have doubled and in some districts tripled their income from taxes in the past 15 years. It doesnt get any better than that. Come on 45,000 and the summer off? 65,000 and the summer off ? The rural teachers are pissing and moaning because they dont make the income the teachers do from the burbs, well guess what, the country folks dont have the stupid money the people from the burbs do either. Quit trying to raise our standards when we dont have the means to do it. We couldnt afford the annual taxes on those burbian houses let alone the mortgage, dont expect to live burbian standards and live in the sticks, same goes for the inner cities I would guess. " A construction worker needs to work 60 hours a week all year round to make the money teachers do. Building the world is just as important as educating the world. In fact if you studied it there is alot of education to be found in building. Every cog in the box is important. Hell, your all crying for 6 speeds :-)
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[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
Hey Chief, no disrespect, like I said I grew up around many teachers, they were everywhere in my life. BUT- that old babysitter routine is old and very tacky, I heard it so many times, its like the teachers swan song. "lets do the baby sitter math"

[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
Hey razor, no disrespect, but I did not belittle your UAW workers at all. You did, however, disrespect mine and Paolino's entire profession. Those are your views, and that is fine. However you make it seem like they all complain about not getting paid enough, and not getting enough benefits. That is not true. They aren't all that way. Maybe they are in your rural area. They are not in mine.

[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
52,000 is excellent pay.........is it not?????????? if not, I really need a raise because its more than double anything Ive ever made working 50 weeks a year.

Its a salary, its 52,000 per year, its not dont get paid during summer. Its 52,000 per year.

then you have no benefits......right........ <_< , so the package = how much? Ok never mind

[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
I am not complaining about my salary. I didnt say anywhere in the post that it is not enough to live off of, or that I should get more. I never said that. My salary is beans compared to the seven plus figures that I am worth. I don't do it for the money. Some teachers, however, are not as fortunate as I am. Just because they chose that career, and do what they do for our country and society, shouldnt mean they should take a vow of poverty. I dont believe that it is a bunch of BS that teachers say this. In the state where I live, teachers have a good chunk of their money go into their retirement, so that is about $10,000 less per year to live on. That is a big chunk if you are starting out making $30,000/year. So, dont judge me as a typical teacher. My financial situation is completely different, and I am not the type of person who wants anyone to feel sorry for them, so you can just leave me out of the general teacher's conception you have right there.

Yes, the job has very good benefits. I'm lucky enough to be in a suburban district with great benefits. I never even mentioned my benefits because I take it for granted

Oh, another thing about my salary. That includes a master's degree that I paid for myself, as well as all of my professional development classes that I paid for myself. No districts around here help teachers improve their careers or get their graduate degree. I paid $40,000 for that, and I am required to get it in my district, so that is another expense added to a teacher's budget.

[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
Chief, you know and I know that most people dont want to be teachers anymore because there is no disipline in schools, children and teenagers are unruley and no one can deal with it because, well they cant deal with it. Children have the rights today, children rule and adults hang their heads. There are lots of people that would like to make that kind of money and benes, its got nothing to do with the money, its the modern rules and laws that protect nasty kids.

I think I said it was a good gig and I dont feel sorry for them. I think I said their job includes lots and lots of time off. I know, when my father was a teacher he worked for a tree surgeon during vacations, but he also built his own home, himself, plus a camp and various other things like going to college for his masters to become an adminstrator. These are not things that are possible for most other occupations especially the majority population that lives below the standard of the teachers that work in their childrens school.

[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
You know, you talk about summers off and holidays off. You must not have read what I had to say about professional development classes that take the entire summer and all of the preparation that teachers do in their free time, not to mention the money out of their pocket they spend on children who do not have what they need for school. Yes, that includes clothes, lunch, hair brushes, shampoo, toothpaste, toothbrushed, etc. I guess that is just "old and tacky" too since you make it sound like my entire argument is an excuse for teachers to get paid what they do. Of course, just because one wants to become a teacher, does not mean they should take a vow of poverty.

Another thing, summers off does not mean no work. I've spent many hours in professional development classes that were required for me to keep my certificate current. I still have to do those stupid classes to keep my certificate current, even with a master's degree. It will never end. Some of those workshops are 8 hours a day, and if you take 3-4 a summer when you are away from the classrom it costs about $2,000 to $4,000 as well as makes you busier than you are when you have the kids in the classroom. So I woulnd't exactly call that summers off, at least not in the state I live in with such strict certification rules.

[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
I would like to leave everyone with another old time famous cleche giving by school systems at budget voting time.

"Give us a raise because its an investment in your childrens future."

but....if you paid attention in school you would know how to read between the lines and see that it really says....

"give us a raise so we can invest in our future" :o

[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
What is wrong with teachers wanting to invest in their own future? I know I want what is best for me. I think Paolino wants what is best for him. What is wrong with that? Doesnt everyone want what is best for themselves?

[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
No offence Chief and Paulie, just putting things in perspective.

[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
Yeah, your perspective. It strikes me as odd that you grew up in a "schooling family", yet you seem to take a stance against teachers in your area. That surprises me. Maybe your local districts are screwed up. I dont know.

Onces again I have known many great people that were teachers and other various duties in the school system as well as a few college people.

[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']
What does the fact that you know people in education have to do with your attacks at the teaching profession?

[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:26 PM']
I did not say teachers suck and should be destroyed and should work for the wages of India, Korea, China so their schools "can be competitive" Hey!!!!!!! Theres an idea.........oh never mind.

[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 7, 2005, 8:24 PM']
Nobody said you said teachers suck out right. You just generalized teachers as a whining, complaining group of people who supposedly have their summers off, every holiday off, good benefits, and tons of free time." As a teacher, I wanna know where all that free time is, because I sure havent had any since I went back to teaching this fall.

[quote name='razoredge' date='Sep 7 2005, 10:34 PM']
BTW Chief - you teach 105 students every hour ? Sorry I had to call you on that one. Wanna take your school budget and divide it by student population and then we'll talk. It makes college look cheap.

[quote name='Chief' date=' Sept 8, 2005, 8:24 PM']

I did not say that I taught 105 students every hour. You must have misunderstood my word problem. I have 105 students in all of my classes that I teach one hour per day. I have 7 classes because I choose not to take on any prep periods. I thought you could figure that out being so smart as to talk down to me and Paulie about our profession. Oh, and next time, don't single me out. I was just trying to prove my point just like you were, and I never mentioned your name, so if you want to "call me out on the carpet, do it in a PM."

Oh, and this is just my opinions. If it wasnt for teachers, the man who invented the car probably wouldn't have learned enough science, math, and engineering to do so. So, basically, if it wasnt for teachers, there would be no UAW because there would be no cars for people to build, hence no union to protect those workers.

Chief Edited by Chief
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Woa ! Talk about making assumptions and accusations. Attacking ????? Damn and I wasnt even pissed off, a teachers strike does piss me off however I quess, but I wasnt pissed off. Didnt even piss actually. I thought I was nice, I guess saying teachers live well above the average income of the familys they teach was an attack ? Tell you what, how about showing me one attack that I wrote, just the sentence please not complete quotes from paragraphs. I need to visually see one of these attacks. I addressed you because I was responding to what you said, same as I would in a conservation. I call that respect but I was probably brought up wrong. I would never and do never PM anyone, thats coy and something I consider wrong. An oath/vow of Poverty?????? Wheres that, that they take the vow of poverty ? 40 thousand for a degree is nothing compared to 10 years of being paid 10 thousand less than you are worth which is common throughout the country. Im worth 7 figures too but hey no one knows it. Im sorry you need to do that certificate BS, that is going on in nearly every profession in the country, it is just another form of pick pocketing, someone needs your money thats all. Being how somehow I became the subject of such anger for calling teaching as I see it and believe it is I must believe I was totally wrong. Ok teaching is a shit gig, vows of poverty, nothing but long hours, work work work, always vote yes for the school budget, even when it takes $500,000 more to run the system this year that it did last. Dont question it, just believe it is an investment in your childrens future, so what if your monthly school taxes are more than a mortgage was 15 years ago, no big deal, theres nothing up. I am truely sorry I grew up on the inside, I should not have spoken, apparenty the life I saw and lived in was kinda twilight zone. I believe those teachers are doing the right thing F'in up the school year, its that investment in your childrens baby sitting dollars hard at work. Wonder what those teachers did all summer ? Maybe they should have been applying at the Burbs during lunch time at their summer classes. They were probably busy shopping for clothing for their students...... Now I suppose that could be considered an attack but hey "Im soooooooooo smart" OK !
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:huh: ...Yeah, I would call that an attack on Chief. As for your response to my post... Well, you tried and that is what matters. Seems like you just regurgitated the same crap... but it was an effort, none-the-less. Another thing, though, I know what you meant by your last statement. My parents work, and work hard, but still don't make what teachers make. However, they never put an effort into a career. They never went to college and it shows when they get paid. Their poor because of their choices; meaning I'm poor and I don't like it. As for teaching... alot of effort is needed to do it. I know because I have an aunt who is. Guess what? She goes through what Chief goes through. She also put her life into teaching. Something my parents never did for anything. With that said, teachers are underpaid. She knows it, I know it, Chief knows it. My parents don't think so and neither do you. Cioncidence maybe? Edited by blackviper8891
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Mister Chief
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I think teachers are severly underpaid here in Michigan, especially metro-Detroit however I will say one thing....


I'VE MISSED THE CHIEFISM's!!!!
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So many arguements made about how UAW should get so much, they have every right to strike and whine about their job. They get 95% of their pay even when there are no cars for them to build. If we invest in them, does that invest in our future as a society? To pay a worker $50,000+ for a job that requires no more than a high school education, who blames the company that pays them for every problem, and they should be paid more? But a teacher, who has the responsibility of teaching, and raising our very future, is living the high life with $52,000? A teacher should be able to invest in his future, isnt that the point of getting paid? But by having higher paid teachers, maybe we could also get higher quality teachers. Getting paid $50,000 after 6+ years of college is hardly any incentive to do the best they can do. There is a shortage of teachers, yet a surplus of line workers. Economics suggest one is overpaid, and the other is underpaid. I'm sorry for thinking someone who has the commitment to sit in college for an additional number of years after high school to further their skills and education should be paid more. I realize their are people out there that dont need college to be smart, and can be smarter than someone who has a degree. But the majority of the population doesnt have that gift, and if they want to earn more, they will need a degree.
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Yea, well your all still spewing the same crap and saying I said and defended things I did not. Now I was just accused of not putting any effort into my life. Seems I was way kinder than the rest. I never said anything about taking from teachers, never. I defended blue collar workers for being said that they should take cuts, even comments about how they should be paid little. Typical humanity at its best. Only caring about your own position and screw everyone else. I have nothing to gain either way with the Unions but I do defend blue collar work. Let me remind everyone again that I have worked production almost all of my entire life. For those of you that dont seem to know what that is, and screw it into meaning Im a factory worker, its when you get paid for only what you do. When things are down there is no income. The harder you work the more you make, if you are slow paced like the rest of the world you will starve. Still at extreme pace I never got my share but I did it and never striked or demanded more. So get the fuck off my back, I did not put down teachers but I have had to listen to plenty of putting down, just like most of the above anti me posts. Grow up and read straight without the twist.
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