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"This is why we don't do front-wheel drive."

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Sixty8panther Newbie

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That is one of the coolest car ads of all TIME!

Even better than the Volvo 240 ad from the

early 1990s explaining why RWD kick ass &

FWD is backwards & improper. So much for

that, a few years later that got thrown out

the window with the help of Ford. :(

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Sixty8panther Newbie

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Yeah, they also needed to lose the b-pillar.

It's like you're reading my mind... :rolleyes:

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The long legs that the rabbit uses to push off

with and jump are "mounted" on the front of

the rabbit & the smaller front legs vice-versa.

Truth in advertising. FWD is backwards & lame. 8)

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Let's talk truth in advertising...

If I walk into many BMW dealerships, I can buy a front-wheel drive BMW product. It may be badged as a Mini and built in the UK, but it's still a BMW product.

Is it built in Germany? NO.

Does is share any major components with any BMW? NO.

Does it have a BMW logo stamped everywhere?* NO.

Are they sold anywhere in the World with a BMW badge on the nose? NO.

Then it just so happens BMW is their parent company.

*Like every damn component on my Infiniti Q45 &

1984 Datsun is stamped NISSAN MOTORS.

If the Mini is a BMW then Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover,

Mazda & Volvo are all just Fords and nothing else. Also this

means the BLS is a SAABILAC, Porsche & Lamborghini are

just overglorified VWs and Ferraris are really Fiats. :P

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Is it built in Germany? NO.

Is the BMW X5 built in Germany? How about the Z4 or Z3?

Then it just so happens BMW is their parent company.

*Like every damn component on my Infiniti Q45 &

1984 Datsun is stamped NISSAN MOTORS.

If the Mini is a BMW then Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover,

Mazda & Volvo are all just Fords and nothing else. Also this

means the BLS is a SAABILAC, Porsche & Lamborghini are

just overglorified VWs and Ferraris are really Fiats. :P

Except for the Mazda, Porsche and Ferrari comments, they're all true. I haven't studied the components of a Mini and I can't say that there are NO "BMW" symbols on that car, but "Mini" is part of BMW. Mazda is only partially (about 1/3) owned by Ford. Porsche is not part of the Volkswagen empire. Ferrari is owned by Fiat SpA, not Fiat Auto...it's similar to saying "Opels are really Chevrolets."

It's not that "it just so happens BMW is their parent company," it's that BMW engineered, designed, and produced the Mini.

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Sixty8panther Newbie

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MINIs are a hodgepodge of a lot of stuff from

Chrysler motors from Brazil to a ton of parts

sourced from random places but they have

little if anything in common with BMW in terms

of mechanics. Perhaps someone here can give

a better breakdown of content.

No. Carolina BMW factory does not Build MINIs

either so the X5 and Zs are not relevant IMO.

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*Like every damn component on my Infiniti Q45 &

1984 Datsun is stamped NISSAN MOTORS.

If the Mini is a BMW then Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover,

Mazda & Volvo are all just Fords and nothing else. Also this

means the BLS is a SAABILAC, Porsche & Lamborghini are

just overglorified VWs and Ferraris are really Fiats. :P

The Mini is made by BMW UK Manufacturing in a former MG Rover plant, with Chrysler 4-cylinder engines made by a Brazilian JV.

Mazda, Ford and it's wholely-owned subsidiaries share engines and vehicle architectures and also manufacturing plants.

If the Mini is a BMW then the BLS is a GM, just like every other Cadillac, made in Sweden or Michigan or Texas. The various plants are increasing structured as GM Manufacturing rather than Opel Polska etc..

VWs and Audis are more cheap Porsches rather than Porsches being expensive VWs. It's Porsche which has a big share of VW, although VW supplies bodies to Porsche. Audi is mostly VW, but is a public company in it's own right, with it's own engines (not all shared with VW) and largely it's own vehicle architectures (sometimes forgotten—an A8 made of aluminum is not the same a Phaeton made of steel). A Gallardo is an expensive Audi though, with a V10 based on an Audi V8 and a body made by Audi, and a Bentley or Bugatti is an expensive VW, with largely VW engines and bodies.

Fiats and Lancias have borrowed from Ferrari rather than the other way round, although the 430 uses a Maserati-based V8.

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If the Mini is a BMW then ...Land Rover...

The funny thing is, up until recently you could argue Land Rover is more BMW than Mini...for example, up until recently, the Range Rover had the same engine as my car does (M62tu 4.4l V8).

But anyway...

I think this might be the original....it's larger so I'll link it if anyone wants it...

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7995/1hare5lw.jpg

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No. Carolina BMW factory does not Build MINIs

either so the X5 and Zs are not relevant IMO.

It was YOUR argument that Minis are not built in Germany which removes them from being BMW products. There are BMW products that aren't built in Germany, which was my point.
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Hudson... I guess the point is that a car with FWD

has never worn the blue&white propeller, so the

ad is truthfull advertising. Minis are one of the 3%

of cars in existance to actually take full advantage

of the transverse mounted motor and FWD. If ony

ONE car was to stay FWD and all others were to

go RWD/Rear-biased-AWD then I think it should be

the Mini. The original Mini and the new one are

near-miracles in compact packaging. They do not

pretend to be something they're not and as such

do not bother me.

A MINI should be FWD, but a Grand Prix, Impala,

Park Ave, Deville, Eighty Eight LSS & Ford 500

among a million other cars should NOT. :twocents:

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