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Rivian looks to possibly beat Tesla at their own game primarily because Elon's ego isn't involved. They're also starting in the hottest two segments, so if their tech proves to be worthy, they should get a better start than Tesla.

Quoted for truth....and for once an economy of words and eloquence of language. Well spoken. The restyle on the TLX should appeal greatly to preschoolers whose vehicular styling experience comes from playing with legos while too tired for bed. Seriously.... someone saw this as a clay mock up and approved it for production? And for once I will side with Cmicassa and against the Japanese. We loose both the Impala and CT6 and get to keep THIS? Like Lincoln, their SUV's really outshine their sedans IMHO. One of my sisters just bought a new Acura SUV and loves it. I like the technology and build quality of the TLX....latest front end refresh not so great. I think that more than afraid to compete know their market and stick to it, much like Subaru. The Japanese seem much less culturally adept at taking risks....in America...I'd rather be a hammer than a nail...in Japan...the nail that sticks up gets hammered down.

It's all in the semantics. Different automakers use terms in different ways. To me a convertible or coupe is a body style, not a model or trim level.

Horrible, of course. Built to float. Watching the 'NASCAR car on Nurburgring' linked elsewhere and it's interesting- my B-59 (decidedly not stock) shares similar specs, it'll be heavier by a lot/will have more HP/TRQ, but the ladder bars/Panhard bar, posi, adjustable coil overs and 315/60-15 drag radials should keep it planted pretty well. Has lowered HD coils up front (don't have the front shocks yet), quicker steering, plus the body shell was reinforced. It would be interesting to take it on a track, I'd do that.

In 1939 America built a $250,000 snow cruiser ($2.8 million today) to conquer the Antarctic and claim it as America. Due to numerous issues and WWII, this got left there and has since disappeared. It carried 2,500 gallons of diesel and 1,000 gallons of aviation fuel for the seaplane that sat on top. Full Story can be read here: https://www.autoclassics.com/posts/reviews/1939-antarctic-snow-cruiser

maybe Barra is swapping out the trick new v8 with some electric motors and the "The current system isn't able to carry the load necessary to support the necessary components in the vehicle" as in electrical current flow for an electric motor. maybe they took out the steering wheel too, and its already autonomous corvette electrics and autonomous, that is GM

More time to change their minds and cancel it. Or restyle the front to look like the Silverado HD.

Hmmm...maybe they got confused and implemented a 4.8 volt system instead of 48 volt.

I like that house.

The RLX need an interior overhaul... material quality and fit is well below the segment average. The ILX feels too close to Civic. The TLX is average at best.

Nope. One Corvette model with 4 trim levels in 2 body styles. One 911 model with 23 trim levels. 3 body styles in some of the trim levels.

A trim line is not a model. The E300 and E400 are not separate models.

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/48-hours-ridetechs-1967-camaro/

Yes, Porsche has always been a brand--whether an independent company or owned by VWAG as they are now. No one sane would argue that. On the other hand, Corvette is a model with different trim levels within the Chevrolet brand. That is the distinction. At some points in time Porsche had only one street model--like in the 356 era, but after the 911 came out, they had periods of time with only 2 street models--like in the late 60s with the 911 and 912, the early 70s with the 911 and 914, the late 90s with the 911 and Boxster. And of course many trim levels within those models. Like the modern 911 which often has 20-24 trim levels in any particular year--in comparison to the Corvette which has 4 currently (base, Z06, GS, ZR-1?)

The reality of the truth and the truth of the reality aren't always the same, as I like to say.

"Supra loses on Nurburgring" = car not worth building. ?

Future shock.

Acura could get by with one sedan. Old TL sized. No one will miss the ILX or RLX.

Speaking of Buick, I wonder if they will be a CUV only brand in the US in a couple years (at some point I assume they will end the Opel deal for the Regals).

I totally agree especially when a company with rich heritage will not embrace it and build their awesome concepts like Cadillac. GM just seems to have not truly kicked off their 80's to early 2000's pre bankruptcy bad habits.

Beautiful beastie...sounds like a blast to drive. Love the color. The WK2 styling has really held up well, IMO.

I didn't realize Rivian's designer was formerly FCA/designed the Grand Cherokee.

I certainly hope so. As an enthusiast I am ready for some really different product and direction.

It was 4 Brands.. Pontiac, Saab, Hummer, and Saturn.. due to overlap. Each, having no real distinct differences from certain other brands within the portfolio.. I was completely happy with this. The Pontiac brand was pretty much spot on with Chevy, with the exception of not having trucks. Hence.. the G8 becoming the SS for instance. The Saturn brand was almost spot on with Buick.. thus the Opel connection going to Buick after the death of Saturn. Saab too for that matter. The only one that I had an issue with being closed was Hummer.. but even before 2009 I constantly said that he Hummer brand should not be independent.. and be a GMC Trim like Denali.

I saw these in LA and they look really darn close to production ready. Both of them are "tweeners" in exterior size. They don't feel as big as an F-150, but not as small as a Ranger either. The SUV looks about Explorer sized. Their third vehicle should be a smaller crossover about the size of the old Equinox.

Of course. And certain trim levels appear for one or two model years, then disappear and re-appear mid season through another year..or how two generations of 911 overlap for some years and trims.

Was until 2010. They only sold 9000 of them.

Leave it to the Germans to overcomplicate matters.

Yes, and some trims are available on some body styles and not others...like the GT3 and GT3 RS are two trim levels, available on 1 body style each. While the Carrera S is available in all 3 body styles (Porsche might consider the body style-trim level combo as a unique trim level, but that's just semantics).. With the Corvette, there are 2 body styles--coupe and convertible, and 4 trim levels. Pretty simple.

Look slim.. I'm American unlike U and still know Porsche's history due to racing.. but I don't sip the Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier flavored water the way U do.. Your rational... as I have explained.. the Corvette sub-division CURRENTLY has 4 distinct Corvettes under its umbrella. The Stingray, which has trims as well, different engine and transmission tuning, and price point. The GS.. also different trims, same engine, but distinct body and suspension tuning, and price point. The Z06.. different trims, different racing apparatus, different drivetrains, suspension tuning, unique body, and and price point. And the ZR1.. different trims, different racing apparatus, different drivetrains, suspension tuning, unique body, and and price point. Chevy doesn't say it.. but that my young knabe.. is a BRANDED vehicle. Not to mention that many people who are not enthusiasts think that CORVETTE is an independent vehicle similar to Porsche and Ferrari. THIS IS FACT. If Chevy were to continue with the FE Corvette, while still offering the ME design.. its a done deal.. and we will have a genuine 4th American GM Division. I also point out that for all intents.... the Camaro has been primed to take over the head job at Chevy since the C5 debuted in 2010

Reality and the self are both illusions as in one sense also free will is. No one ever wakes up from the dream state.

Kinda plain....but I dig the clean lines.... Need some rear shots.....

looks like some pulse still over at toyota......

Sure there is, you keep producing what you have that is selling and add EV's for those of us willing to pay for it. I think they would sell plenty. Two identical looking trucks where you still have the grill on it but just no open slots for air flow and make that a huge frunk would rock!

The price of all SIlverados would immediately double, which would probably cut sales by 2/3rds minimum, if not significantly more. There's really no 'Hmmmmmm' here.

Have to say that RJ has a great approval rating for CEO of a company and the company ranks very high for job satisfaction. https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Rivian-EI_IE630579.11,17.htm GM would do well to buy them out, use the platform for the new generation of full size Pickups and SUV. Rate better than Tesla and surprised that Tesla is on par for employee and customer satisfaction with GM. Makes ya wanna go Hmmmmmmmm! ?

"dirty-smelly" lol. This tangible issue here is, whereas gas stations are widespread and you go to them, charging at home certainly doesn't work for everyone. My truck parks outside- I'd have to run a 25' cord to it, snake it out behind the garage door track, loop it around the other car parked outside, unplug the outlet end in case it rains, pick it up when I mow, etc. I don't find that "convenient". A lot of older homes have no garage and no outside outlets. Many inner city residents (you know; another one of the supposed 'target' buyers), park on the street; they're not really supposed to lay a cord across the sidewalk, are they? What if they only find a parking spot 4 doors down the street? Then there are apartment / high rise dwellers that park in lots (or decks) with no provisions to plug in. Infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure- it's not ready yet. No responsible OEM is going to kill an IC small car & replace it whole hog with an EV, because buyers aren't ready right now, because the infrastructure isn't. Yet. The breathlessness some folk talk about the tsunami of EVs cars that are going to wipe out ICs inside of 10 years simply isn't keeping touch with reality. There's the fantasy vision of the Brave New World, then there is the 'dirty smelly' reality version.

Did some scaling and it appears -proportionally- the numbers are correct. 136" WB, 198" OL is a diff of 62". 275/65R20s are 34" in diameter, so 136" plus (2) half tires (17" + 17") = 170", leaving 28" of total overhang. Scaling off the screen makes it look really close. Despite being only 198" long, the SUV must be bigger in person that via pics. Here it's over a 133" wheelbase '66 Fleetwood (overall length: 228").

these last 15 years.

Riv, I agree witchoo, one has to be dense to choose an electric vehicle.