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Maybe not the best example but the basic tech for ICE has not changed in the last century yet not one savings passed onto the consumer. Maybe, like EVs, it’s not just about the source of propulsion as far as price increases go. That’s the ultimate point here. So nothing of value to add to the discussion. No answers to my original questions. Just more trolling, more deflection, more BS. No wonder you worship the outgoing administration. You are not cerebral. You are a joke at this point and just about everyone here knows it.

Yet todays Electric motors and batteries are far more advanced than they were in 1912. Technology progressing beyond what we had back then. With reports showing that instead of 2025 we hit the $100 per kWh battery pack wholesale pricing this year is exciting as I truly believe that between now and 2025 as we see a large assortment of Subcompact to full size EVs hit the market at a wide range of price points we will see a move to EVs over ICE and then as I do agree with you, it will take a few decades to fully replace ICE. Long term, I believe that Green (solar, wind, hydro, ocean) power will allow even in remote places of Africa and central to south america where transporting fuel has been the norm, it will be replaced with cleaner easier to generate power that can benefit both quality of life living in a home to modern transportation. Here is one of the latest research reports and I think it makes valid real reasons why in the short term petro is and will remain King for Now, but a Mixed Energy Future is what the next decade will be and eventually a Green energy future. 2030 is a valid tipping point of moving from petro to green energy production in the US as well as around the globe. Renewable Energy vs. Fossil Fuels for Electricity: Facts and Forecasts - Beachapedia

While this year we saw price increases on EVs, Pandemic affect I think might be one reason, we have seen as battery prices have dropped, range has increased. So while prices have not come down, the range has increased which is a similar affect. Keep the price static and increase what you get in this case how long you can drive on a single charge. Hopefully with the higher density Solid State batteries which in turn means smaller over all battery pack we can also see a lower cost come to EVs and more than anything, entry level and mid level competitive EV products.

BS. I made my obvious joke while actually discussing the subject at hand, unlike yourself. You never, NOT ONCE, answered my original question (which was for you to tell us how you think you know the potential EV market better than EVERY auto company out there) which is what created the joke in the first place. Why? Because all you do is troll. Now, having said that, here's the kicker (and evidence you provide yourself). If the subject has been beaten to death then why the hell do you keep coming back to it and contribute nothing? Again, because you're trolling (or what you call "entertaining"). Pathetic considering you are the one who requested this subject matter take place here instead of Random Thoughts, all simply because you were tired of seeing it (and apparently because you have never heard of the "ignore" button"). You want others to follow the rules while you flaunt and ignore them, again, just like the outgoing president I'm sure you voted for). That is what has been "beat to death". How about holding yourself to the same standard that you ask of everyone else here? Can you actually do that? Somehow, I sincerely doubt it. Now, lets see which sentence you "cherry pick" in your reply while ignoring literally everything else that has been said. Again, not following rules you set for everyone else.

Not sure if I had posted anything on the car we inherited from Grandpa last December. 2008 Pontiac Grand Prix. He gave it to us last December and then his health quickly declined and he passed away in January this year. He must have known something was up. He was 93. He had still been driving it occasionally up until about 6 months before he died. we did put a bunch of money into misc things and right now it’s throwing a check engine light. Emissions related, they tell me. It’s the venerable 3800 motor. Runs great! Got a fresh oil change today. So I figured what the heck and got it washed for my daughter as well. A few months ago we got a full interior and exterior detail as well. Somehow, we figured out how to get rid of the many years of cigarette smell. It still looks great, so I thought I would throw up some pictures.

toyoters in general are junk. They used to be very good, then Corporate dropped the ball. 4-runner is probably the best of them. Of course; it's 11 years old currently; last 10 years has had 1 engine, 1 transmission, 1 wheelbase. If an OEM can't get that right after a decade...

... and a C8 Corvette engine has certainly evolved from a 1920 Model T with 20 HP. I've stated it before; I'm not against BEVs even tho one would not work for me and I'm not interested in the price tier they come at. They're not perfect (neither are ICVs), but they're 'real' cars now (vs, -say- a mid-70's CitiCar... or a Chinese Kandi)... but they're also not price-competitive 99% of the time. THAT'S the prime hurdle to displacing the established product : being affordable. Otherwise, wouldn't Rolls sell in the millions of units (NOT saying that price disparity is what's going on here). Look, the hype on BEVs is relentless and almost always disjointed from reality. Tesla's stock price is a stellar example of that. In order to be remotely analytical and objective, we have to strip away that hype and focus on the facts. 'Buy one now because maybe in the future it'll be cheaper than a ICV that's not propped up with Gov't money and an indeterminate amount of gas not purchased' isn't being honest. It's not how consumers shop. The best litmus test of BEVs is mainstream offerings against existing ICVs. The electric Silverado / F-150, for example. Despite my belief that truck buyers are going to be LESS interested in an EV pickup, if they come in within 10% of the price of a IC variant.... we'll truly see the market demand for BEVs. The hurdle to THAT scenario is; can OEMs make a profit on a BEV priced that close to the same ICV? Tesla isn't making a profit per vehicle yet...

^ black car a diesel? That’s because it’s cheaper to just hinge it.

Nothing happens overnight and its sounds like thats your core issue instead of understanding the fundamental reality of things time in a very competitive world. The current COVID/political environment does not help. It’s been really only in the last decade that the tech has even been allowed to exist in an ICE dominated world (forget the fact that auto companies AND the oil industry fought AGAINST battery tech for decades). Yes, David has said what he said but he also never gave a date for it. Again, a case of impatience for a tech you don’t really seem to care for in the first place but you have no personal use for it. Oh and battery tech is changing, ie solid state tech which is far more than can be said for the last hundred years of the internal combustion engine and the power of gasoline.

Meep Meep... little guy pushing through!

Ah, so you're getting a 4Runner? Because I believe Toyota 4Runner is the only SUV/wagon that still has a retractable back glass. Well, ya gotta open the glass first.

The Bronco Sport is getting excellent reviews, whether 3- or 4-cylinder powered. While I haven't seen/felt up an example in the flesh yet, they look like a daggone nice little CUV. One feature that makes me swoon: the separate liftglass in the gate. I just don't understand why everyone doesn't do that.

I know you have stated that EV prices have not moved, but then ICE technology has also just like EVs always started with the best at the top which is what we are seeing with EVs. This is on par with recovery of extensive R&D costs. We have Hyundai, Kia, GM, Ford all saying that EVs need to also have entry and mid range cost auto's. GM has been the only one to publish a road map of auto's coming by 2025 and here we see that Chevrolet will have both entry level to truck level EV's and GM has stated they will be ICE comparable in price. Time will tell, I see that Nissan Leaf EVs are following normal used car pricing and that gives great inexpensive auto's for teens and college students as well as low income people to afford. Yet their short range battery packs might also have something to do with the pricing. Chevrolet Bolt with double the operational range seem to be holding a better than average resale price. I think a more traditional look that the Next generation Bolt and Bolt EUV will have will make it more palatable to many more buyers. Here Chevrolet will have their SubCompact Bolt and the Compact Bolt EUV. Being on the next generation platform that will also be used by the other brands all the way up to Cadillac, I wonder what the new price points will be. If they stay the same as you have stated, then I do think it will be hard for more conquest sales. Yet if they do the right thing in moving each auto into the proper price tier for the size, I think conquest sales will follow.

ViewSonic has been a hit and miss for me both home and at work. They tend to pick up the surplus parts / stuff that needs to be dumped and so I say buyer beware. They have some good deals, but you need to read reviews and see how the life is on the specific model. Be careful! I tend to stay with NEC and DELL monitors as they just last, at least for me they have.

I think they say around 12-14 years, but mine started leaking earlier and at my parents house it leaked after 9 years and destroyed laminate floor. If the water heater somewhere where it can do damage if it leaks I would strongly suggest replacing it pre-emptively. Personally, I put tankless water heater in my house.

Last man out, shut off the lights.

Ew no way I'm touching your inflatable date, COVID or no COVID.

You think showing the group, on a doll for Christ's sake, where the evil EV touched me is "adding value" to the discussion? You really are delusional. The myriad issues with EV v. ICE have been beat to death, why should I repeat repeat repeat them? With a choice so clear, the discussion should be over, yet here we are, some still advocating, against all odds, FOR EV. It's mystifying. So I come in here to be entertained.