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For current SUVs, I can see the Grand Cherokee SRT and Trackhawk, Durango SRT 392 and Durango SRT Hellcat being collectible...

Ah yeah! This is the one that seems to want to pay homage to the Hyundai Pony, huh? Yeah...I think Ill pass on it. I LOVE the 1980s, but I dont want to reminisce about what shyte Hyundai gave us in those 1980s thank-you very much...

One of the things that I think will make some cars collectibles is manual transmission. I think EVs will most likely completely kill off manual transmissions (very regretfully) and cars with good one will be desirable for future collectors.

I can see the Pontiac G8, Chevy SS and V-series Cadillacs being sought after, esp. the manuals..in an age of forgettable FWD transverse engine mediocrity, these were standouts for GM.

Hyundai has launched their IONIQ 5 web site now. 2022 IONIQ 5 | Electric SUV, Global Reveal | Hyundai USA Interesting that you can play with interior and exterior colors. The Digital Teal they mention is called Mineral Teal on the website. Lucid Blue Pearl is called Lucid Pole on the web site.

I saw a new 2021 Sonata today with that same exterior colour. I dont know how I feel about that colour. It left me speechless. 1. Because its such an unusual rare colour for a car, it was refreshing to see something so different from a sea of boring black, white and silver/grey. 2. BUT...who the phoque wants a grey primer paint job for their brand new shiny car? NOT ME I tell you!!!

IMO, it's both bland and erratic. Very very little today has aspirational design. This (IMO) is very very far from that.

I'm not 100% sure how I feel about it yet but I know those are some of the best looking OEM wheels on anything.

Yeah, Black & Decker..they work pretty well. I have a 100 ft cord, and that's enough to reach back of my backyard. Just have to not get tangled up in the cord, esp. the string trimmer..

I think they'll become collectable when the EV market hits like 1/3 of new car sales and growing ooooor whenever certain automakers stopp making those vehicles, whichever comes first. I'm not sure if they would actually sell over their initial MSRP that quickly, but I would be people with money would be willing to spend whatever for their manual, supercharged V8. I also forgot a very obvious one, Hellcats.

Corded yard tools?!?! I could never see myself considering those options. Cordless all the way.

You left off why- from the start they built utterly terrible vehicles. Not sure that falls on the positive side of 'disruptive'... ?

It'll break down to see the specific numbers. Frankly, being in the industry, I think the marketing push to show the truck as a 'power outlet' is over-wrought; people aren't doing so now and getting their jobs all done. But for those that suddenly are going to switch back to all corded tools against the tide of cordless... they would then be relying on their truck's motor for BOTH transportation and a day's worth of power draws. I doubt that'll ever be widely practical, and I don't see anyone 'downgrading' their tools just to plug into their pickup. Range degradation is going to be a new, key factor for BE trucks, one that isn't nearly as significant as in BE cars/SUVs... that never carry the payload a truck does.

I think most of these are pretty obvious , like mentioned above. Mustang GTs, Camaro SS's(GT500/350, ZL1/1LE), Corvettes. I think it was already an instant classic but the 911R as well, I believe the Cayman GT4 4.0 with or without a manual transmission, TRD Pro Tacomas/4Runners, ZR2 Colorados.

I think it's fairly obvious that many limited / special / high end vehicles will have some collectibility. I believe the obsolete nature of many of their electronic systems will severely limit that vs. vintage autos, tho. My question is; will any BE vehicles today ever become appreciating collectibles?

Thank you, always great to have civil conversations about the auto technology. Agree will be interesting to see how these EV's stack up and compare. Loving the truck, it really is a beauty. Wishing you all the best as you put her to work for your work.

24 MPG over 10K miles = 416 gal. At 3.09 = $1285 in fuel. I just saved myself $500! But it sure would be interesting to see a typical Lightning work day: fully charged, drive a half hour, load the frunk with 400 lbs of concrete mix, drive a half hour to the job site, run saws & other power equipment for 8 hours, drive 45 mins home. It’s got a lot less to do with the miles than it does with the kW draw. Turbo diesels don’t see nearly the same variation in usage demand, plus any electric draw (I do have a 110 V outlet in the bed) is immaterial; my battery is fully charged on the ride home.

Diesel in NJ right now runs about .30 cheaper/ gal than by you. And as I stated, I expect to settle in at more like 24 MPG. Some controlled testing has shown this engine getting 30 & 32 on highway trips. ? Both those factors will significantly drop your numbers. And seeing you use artificially low / partial tank/ pre-broken in MPG, what is your similar ‘adjustment’ to reduced range on the Lightning, due to weather or load or especially; running power equipment from this new ‘jobsite’ truck?? That ‘perfect unloaded world’ 300 may drop by more than half in actual use as portrayed by Ford marketing. Ford’s recent quality issues, plus the lack of a 6.5’ bed, ruled them out. Plus, I’m simply not interested in an electric vehicle. ? Oh, and electric in NJ is 13.42 cents/kW.

So then at $3.32 per gallon of Diesel here in Washington state at and we will go with your current 18.8 mpg, that would make @ 10,000 miles a year, 532 gallons of Diesel @ yearly cost of $1,766.00. F-150 Lighting battery packs are estimated at 115kWH or 150kWH in size for standard and extended range. 563-HP 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Turns America’s Top Seller Electric (caranddriver.com) 150 kWh battery pack is estimated at 300 miles so it will take 33.33 recharges to equal your 10,000 miles. At 6 cents per kWH you end up with 5,000 kW of power used or about $300 a year in electrical cost. Very interesting. ?

24 gal tank X rated highway MPG of 26. I do about 9500-10,000 miles usually.

I took delivery of the GMC with 110 miles on it. No doubt, it spent some time idling around the body shop, the dealer, etc... plus transport mileage. Anyhoo- then the 400-mile MPG window stated an average of 16.4 MPG. Miles have now doubled to 220, MPG is up to 18.8. Maintaining 65 on level highway, turning about 1250 RPM, instant average MPG hovers around 35. I don't do much highway miles but expect to settle around 22, and that's already 'gravy'. Of course- powertrain is still breaking in. BTW- tho I got it with a 'full' tank, I cannot verify as to the actual fuel level when I started driving it or how many miles was already on it when fueled. Anyway; I myself put 110 miles on it, and it reads I have another 398 miles of range left- that's 508. Calculated max range is 624 miles, so that's probably with no topping off (220 + 398 = 618 miles). Pretty awesome range- I should only be 'charging' my truck once every 20 days.