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I would have loved had Plymouth still been kept around, that the Fury would be 1a) another platform mate to the Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 1b) a definite candidate for the Hellcat engine. Fury and Hell(cat) go very well together 2. Cop cars would return to be Plymouth Furys (I miss Plymouth Furys as cop cars. More so than I do Caprices and Crown Vics)

Like a domino effect. GM announces the shift to become all out EV by a set date, and the rest of the industry follows suit. I expect others to start announcing their roll out plans to end their ICE vehicles by a set date and become all EV in the next weeks...

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Is that like an El Camino/Ranchero but as a Cadillac? Its got to be a coachbuilder build and not from Cadillac direct, right?

^^^ I was JUST about to post that in the Alternate Fuel thread.

Bolt EV and EUV 65 KW/H battery Bolt EV 259 mile range starting at $31 995 Bolt EUV 250 mile range starting at $33 995 Launch Edition Bolt EUV that includes Supercruise is $43 000. But GM will offer Supercruise on other models but GM did NOT price the option... Biden admin will probably extend EV credits. $7500. GM could benefit by it. If the Biden admin does do that, then the Bolt EV will cost the consumer $24 995 and the EUV $26 495. One does NOT have to option the EUV with Supercruise... The Bolt EV and EUV only have a 65 KW/H battery with no other battery option. No long range version. No faster version. The Bolt EV and EUV are NOT one of those 'enthusiastic' type vehicles like Teslas are or the MUSTANG Mach E. The Bolt EV and EUV are on the low man on the car totem pole world of vehicles. The Chevrolet Spark in the Chevrolet world. But in EV form. The Bolt EV and EUV are NOT Mustang Mach E natural competitors. I dont know how much Ford's Supercruise tech will cost as an option for the Mach E, but Im assuming that at the Mach E's BASE price of $41 000 does NOT include this (not really necessary) option. I would SAFELY say that if at Tesla Autopilot is a $10 000 option and over at GM is just about the same, then at Ford it would be roughly equal to that. The Bolt EV and EUV still look clumsy. Just like EVERY small shytty CUV available since the dawn of time. The Mustang Mach E actually looks good as a sporty CUV. Still a shytty CUV if you ask me. Between the two, Id rather the Mach E. But Id rather the looooong in the tooth Tesla Model S over both of them. Or the Hummer EV. But at $100 000 for either, that is a HARD pass. Not because of the EV factor. But for the $100 000 factor. if I were to choose an EV car right NOW, I think the Mustang Mach E would get my money. ONLY because I could actually afford it. But Ill tell ya one thing...$26 495 after guvment subsidies for an excellent EV to get me off of gasoline would be enticing... Very...VERY enticing indeed.

I agree. I would add the the downsized B Bodies of 1977-1990 as well. Actually, all full-sized RWD GM platforms up until 1990.

Supercruise offered in a 31 000 dollar GM vehicle? THAT, I believe, would be the lowest priced vehicle by GM that Supercruised is offered. Am I right? PLUS a sunroof... A base Camaro is at 28 Gs I believe. Unfortunately, even though the Bolt EUV is a tad on the smallish side of family hauling duties, I think, that it does a better job of that than the Camaro... A fully fully equipped Trax tops out at 25 Gs? The Buick equivalent reaches 30 Gs? The Hyundai Veloster N is 28 Gs. YES...like you have said, THIS particular EV is DEFINETELY just a hair more expensive than a comparable ICE CUV. But is that really a surprise, though? But...is that really such a huge deterrent? I dont think so. *SIGH* You TRY to steer the conversation to a more positive area, but the conversation keeps on getting sidetracked by absolute nonsense. Thank-you for trying to be rational about it as I too, would prefer to talk about the good things that GM did with the Bolt EUV, but certain things will NEVER change. Enabling bad behaviour seems to be a common theme lately...

No different than what the rest of the industry does... Literally... NO OEM gives you the freedom to check boxes of items you want while deleting ones you dont...

But that is neither here nor there... The rest of my aggressive post is just me busting your chops...for hilarity.

Maybe its a tad out of your price range... But as far as lust goes... and if you truly were in here to escape reality...maybe this could have been ALSO been included in your GM list. Freedom mode sounds AWESOME no matter what side of the EV fence you sit on.

So....if Im to understand, Chevrolet is actually offering a brand new electric vehicle, that actually went DOWN in price, yet here we are, questioning the dimensions of it and how closely it resembles the older model? With a few shytty reasons to hate it. (BIG surprise there...) Range staying the same, the vehicle becoming slightly bigger, BUT the price dropping a WHOPPING 5 grand yet we are bitchin' about useless things. A REAL 5 grand too. Not a phantom price that the consumer will NEVER see... The point is, as I called it, AFFORDABILITY for EVs starts and ends with the old guard OEMs. The ones that are established with factories built loooong ago, with the expertise in manufacturing quickly and with economies of scale. I wanna know why we arent focusing on the, what I deem to be, a BREAKTHROUGH in the START of AFFORDABILITY of EVs coming from General Motors.. THIS on the heals of Tesla announcing a 25 thousand dollar EV... https://electrek.co/2021/01/08/tesla-25000-electric-car-coming-sooner-than-we-thought/ I think talking about a REDUCTION in price for EVs seems a more interesting conversation than what you folk have been doing... But that is just me, I guess...

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/19/canada-is-set-to-have-one-the-worlds-biggest-green-hydrogen-plants.html ICE is not going anywhere anytime soon. Ive read from multiple sources that hydrogen is preferred over electric in the trucking transportation business.

You guys know its a parody, right? A satire if you will. Its sarcasm just as much as how CERTAIN snobbish EV owners act righteously (Prius owners as well) as how CERTAIN EV haters WANT to view EV adopters... I saw this vid a year ago. The guy does FANTASTIC parodies of politics whether left leaning or right leaning, vegetarians, health advocates, exercise freaks, free speech and cancel culture, and all walks of life, really. Tezzla is just HIS way of poking fun at pompous Tesla owners AND EV haterz at the same time... But when one has an agenda AGAINST EVs...that one person took this parody as gospel... THAT is what is REALLY funny here. And the ONLY way I saw his post is when I log out, the IGNORE feature is not active... I would have NOT replied had it NOT been for Balthy's post... I replied to make sure Balthy understood that this guy speaks a certain way in his videos to accentuate the satire.

If Lacrosse was two words rather than one, then maybe. But then again, une crosse could also mean a scam. Much ado about nothing really because Quebecois arent uptight about sexuality. And they get a good laugh about such things as well. Hence why GM went with Lacrosse on the next gen. Ill tell you what was a scam though. A REAL crosse. Buick not giving us a phoquing Riviera. Those Chinese Riviera concepts at the turn of this century sure were sweeeeet. Its like Buick in China had some real "FREE SPIRIT" back then. Ill tell you what, IF the Expos come back to Montreal sometime in my lifetime, an Andre Dawson "HAWK" edition might just sway me to buy one. Even if it was one of those a cute crossover thingys...

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And Alfa Romeo is as good as dead. WITH new investment I might add. Chrysler is a forgotten brand. Chrysler NEEDS product. ANY product at this juncture is better than waiting for new investment to come through. Chrysler might not have that kind of time to spare. Barely over 100 000 sales in 2020 with stale, old news stuff. The 300's last update was a decade ago. The Charger at least has been kept fresh with all kinds of exciting updates and marketing appeal. Pacifica and Grand Caravan. The latter is LITERALY a Dodge. Two minivans of a previous generation in a CUV/SUV world. At least they are 4 generations NEWER than the 300... but still one generation going on two for 2021 behind in the REAL world... All three Chrysler vehicles are in nearly extinct niches. ANY product is a PLUS for Chrysler the brand. Couple that with great marketing that Chryco usually gets done and Chrysler is alive again.

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