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^^^ Gotta get that 85 HP engine heat out somehow...

There is one GTO though, that Id want over a 442. A 1967 GTO over a 1966 442 (barely)

Restaurant chains...just suck no matter how you slice your thought process. ESPECIALLY the ones that "specialize" in "fine" dining or "authentic" ethnic food. No need to dine in 5 star, Cordon Bleu level chef restaurants. The 'good 'ole mom and pop restaurant will do. I know, I know....those dont exist anymore. *SIGH* Montreal had a ton of those. Italian and Greek owned mom and pop restaurants from the '50s all the way to the '80s was a REAL treat. REAL Authentic Greek or Italian dishes made LITERALLY like "momma used to make". Diners, fast food joints, quick eateries, a step or two below fine dining restaurants...Montreal had those literally at every major street corner. I miss those days.

Ill give a long...long...very long answer. GM's A Body muscle car is just sublime fir me. So...GTO for me. But... (I did say Id give a loooong answer) I do prefer the '70 version. I LOVE this version. My dad had one. But his was not "The Judge" trim. Kinda like this one. An even BIGGER but though... since we I are am talking about GM A bodies...then there is the ONE GM A Body that I totally want over the others...and THAT would be a 1970...OLDS 442 W30

Dont cry over spllt milk. But...do the modern thing and just sit there wonderin' in amazement how far the milk went, take a photo of it and post it on the webs

Yeah...but the Charger could be had with a 370HP & 395 ft/torque V8 powering the rear wheels though for just under 40 000. Here we are, acknowledging that a TRD Camry V6 is, kinda interesting in a very 1990s FWD GM V6 sedan kinda way. We are, for the most part, kinda praising this move because this offering moves away from it being a coma inducing ride like other Toyota family hauling offerings. But here YOU are back-handing an insult towards a vehicle that DOES have fun qualities built right into it whether if a V6 or (ESPECIALLY) the v8 offerings. I got downvoted by a troublemaker and Im getting a useless back and forth discussion with you for defending a MUSCLE CAR. No matter how you slice it, the V6 Charger generates 292 HP and (it could have been better) 260 ft/torque. That aint too shabby. Its still the BASE offering. The suspension bits are meant for family duty. The Hemi R/T aint the sportiest Charger either. That one too, is mostly tuned as a family hauler... Grab the Scat Pack, and THEN we are talking about sport sedans... No! Not time attack suspension bits underneath. But suspension bits that make muscle car magic happen...but suspension bits that could also handle the curves. And at 43 000 dollars, it UNDERCUTS the Lexus version by quite a bit... But yeah! Lets bitch on the Charger with its V8s and RWD... Downvote me and give me useless arguments but ignore what the REALITY of it all actually is!

A little fender bender? Like how little of a fender bender is it? Because I dont know how I would react if it was MY new vehicle being delivered and I hadnt even sat in it yet... Bumpers on cars are meant to be bumped. Hence the name. Keeping your truck for 15+ years wouldnt make a difference if your new truck that you hadnt even sat it was bumped before you got it. On the other hand...ITS A BRAND NEW TRUCK THAT YOU DIDNT BUMP IT!!! For me, There is a huuuuuuge difference in ME hitting MY car and for somebody ELSE bumping a car I dont even own yet... And my statement just now is with a slight bump... If body panels had to be changed, Id definitely refuse delivery even if no structural damaged had been done. But then again, if I needed a truck right now, because the one I own HAS to be replaced, and because of chip shortages has made choices to buy another truck downright difficult, then Id accept delivery, but for MORE than 2 monthly payments. Id try maybe to renegotiate the price of that truck and try to get as much of a discount on it as I can. Good luck Balthy! This kind of shyte you did not need!

I guess so. But does a Camry V6 handle better (or worse) than a Charger V6? It doesnt matter, I guess a FWD Camry V6 is a sports sedan and a V6 Charger is not. Neither is a V8 powered Charger as muscle cars, 4 door-ed ones, shouldnt be considered sports sedans...

since we are on this subject T/As and T & As soooooooo hot! Clean me...Im dirty. Grrrrrr!

The vagina and butt to pair of boobs ratio on this chick is like 5:1 I would have liked her more if the vagina and butt to pair of boobs ratio was more like 5:3 or 5:4 at the very least. Better if the ratio was 5:5. The caption DOES say 'real women have curves'...and boobies to me are muy importanté I like playing with boobies JUST as much as I like playing with vaginas. (and butt) ALL types of boobies I must add!

Its NOT a track car...the Charger. ITS a COMFY GT car meant to go fast for LONG rides that can handle and brake quite good for what it is. There was no need to say that Chargers dont have much handling. They do OK. Lets flip the script. All other cars are crap in acceleration as compared to the Charger. I dont want to hear anything else... All other cars do NOT measure up as good muscle cars as compared to the Charger. In other words, just accept the Charger for what it is... In V6 AWD form or any of the V8s. Point final!

The Charger handles the twisties just fine. It aint a Nürburgring time attack beast, but that aint what Chargers/Challengers are all about. With the exemption of the Stinger, BMW M5, Mercedes AMG E-class, which are sports sedans that were SPECIFICALLY engineered to run the Nürburgring, and the other RWD sport sedans mentioned such as the Pontiac G8 GXP, Chevy SS and BMW 330i, the Charger OUTHANDLES all other cars mentioned in this thread. Like NO question about it. PS: The Charger is a modern muscle car. Modern in that it handles the curves unlike the wallowing, STRAIGHT LINE ONLY muscle cars of yore. IT AINT a muscle car of yore. I repeat. It handles the curves JUST fine. Its just that its MAIN mission is STRAIGHT LINE acceleration. As a heavy RWD muscle car brute, the Hellcat Charger wide body it WILL keep up with a BMW M4, Pontiac G8, Chevy SS. It will lose. But that is OK. It CAN keep up. BUT...on a straight away. The heavy muscle car Hellcat brute will leave ALL in the dust! And quite honestly, in North America, where OUR (Canada also) roads are actually straight for THOUSANDS of miles, who the hell cares for the twisties? Seeing how BMW, the ultimate driving machine company has sold its soul for top heavy North American sales SUVs that also happen to have MORE heft than a Charger itself, and how an old platformed Charger still sells like little hot cakes, Id say that a good chunk of Americans dont give a shyte for the twisties anymore... I like how @Robert Hall put it. These offerings from Toyoter are the same formula of the FWD sporty sedan of the 1980s/1990s with 2021 seasoning. And seeing how Toyoter produced some nice sporty cars in that 1980s/1990s time frame, its nice to see them get back in the game (in producing sporty rides rather than their late 1990s/2000s coma inducing shyte they gave us)

Vertigo must suck! Another form of vertigo that sucks just to say I sympathize with you. I dont know how me posting this sucky U2 song sympathizes with you, just go with it... I dont suggest you listen and/or view to the next couple of songs because of your vertigo... And this next U2 song, one could say I was numb to your vertigo condition. In revenge, you could think I was the one sitting down instead of The Edge and you were the one torturing me for being insensitive to you...

The Riviera '66 and '67 to me, was on equal footing as the '66-'67 Toro. Well, the Toronado edged it just a tad to be a more sensual design. But both were awesome! So much so, that I prefer these 2nd gen Rivieras over the 1st gens. But yeah, Buick's refreshing styling direction from '68 onward DID surpass Oldsmobile's. I agree with you Balthy.

They neutered it by 1968. They squared off the look in 1969. But went back to the bladed front end in 1970 like you posted. @ykX The 1st gen Toronado was a looker. Any year. But in my opinion, the 1st year was THE masterpiece and Oldsmobile/GM just kept on messin' it up year after year after what they had created in 1966!

He (you) was not late...(?? Greek) Orthodox Easter was yesterday ? I thought I had heard ALL the blonde jokes there can possibly be. Along comes Mr. Horse with No Name and pleasantly and hilariously surprises me. THAT is funny!

Rush - The SPIRIT of RADIO (the ONLY Rush that counts and DESERVES to be on the radio) (and I dont even like Rush, the band, all that much...)

I kinda regret posting those pot shot pics poking fun at GMC trucks and pick-up trucks. I apologize! Sorry.

The Chevy has really won me over. I remember hatin' it when it came out. I likes the GMC, and your truck, the colour and the black trim, I must say, is sweeeeeet. Cheers on your new ride, Balthy!

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Sure... And VW got caught with a diesel scandal. Germany and the US closed that shyte down. VW's credibility as a green company took a hit, to show the public that they really are a green company, was forced to go all out EV, the US government FORCED VW to also invest in a charging system... OK...GM is said to be going all out EV. 3 years ago. Where is GM and VW to build EV charging systems a la Tesla for THEIR EV cars? Since Honda is going to use GM EV tech, why isnt VW, GM AND Honda partnering up to have an EV charging coalition? ESPECIALLY to rival Tesla since they all want to rival Tesla. Mercedes is said to want to be a Tesla Killer... (Porsche and Audi too? Part of VW...to which VW, Hinda and GM could have split the investment costs...) Where is M-B's charging network? All these smart American business men, like Donald J. Trump, where are their business chops? Especially for the business man turned politician that wanted to make America great again. Bring back American jobs, yada yada yada. Oh yeah...he had coal up his ass... Unfortunately, there is a great political divide in the US that clutters the mind. EVERYTHING in the US lately is just political fodder and is weaponized to undermine the OTHER party... Regarding proprietary Tesla networks and all that, well... When Tesla sells you a car, Tesla also GIVES you the other standard plugs to charge your Tesla on the other networks. Looks like Tesla is the smart one...

The narrative gets old. HOME charging NEGATES the need for all these EV charging stations that supposedly we need. NEW tech batteries as of NOW, but in the next year or two will have 500 mile ranges also NEGATE all these EV charging stations... The 1 in 5 ooopsie poopsie article is PURELY BULLSHYTE. The kind that I talked about political and big oil push back lies... From the article The PHOQUING MACH E JUST JUST went on sale... Its barely half a year old... What the PHOQUE does a Mach E have to do with EV charging times from owners that owned an EV 3-4-5-6-7-8 years ago and NOW just switched BACK to an ICE-V? NOTHING!!!! Push back lies... CHARGING times 2-3 years from now WILL drop. EV charging stations WILL EVENTUALLY pop up in STRATEGIC highway areas and in the suburbs JUST like how gas stations are now. PROBABLY in the same stations. Negating the excuse for folk that could NOT charge at home that could NOW charge at a GAS station with the EQUAL amount of time as gassing up... NEW tech batteries will also NOT have the winter blues in cold weather range loss... All kinds of EV charging solutions are being thought of EVERYWHERE in the world (except for in the United States of America where North Americans are being lied to and are still crying over the same old bullshyte lies...)

Id say, people started travelling long distances AFTER WW2 when the American highway system got on its way, the economy booming at the same time because of the spoils of winning the war yada yada yada. At the same time, gas stations opened up along the highways and byways and in the suburbs where the GIs bought their new homes starting the boomer generation... The drive-in movie theatres and diners where the automobile hung around also had gasoline stations by their side. So...where we want to complain about EV charging stations and the lack-thereof, it took 50 years for the gasoline infrastructure to come to be AFTER the genesis of the automobile. Its really NOT about it (EV charging system) being a fledging and it being compromised. Its MORE to do about it being a SLOW HOME SYSTEM There is NO reason for it to be built THAT slow. There are POLITICAL and BIG OIL push back LIES for THIS EV charging system that is being built THAT slow. Especially in a time when people depend on their autos daily as you put it. These LIES that some POLITICAL and BIG OIL clowns have been spewing have allowed this disconnect. YES...its a fledgling entity. But I wanna know why, a SINGLE business man (Elon Musk and Tesla) has opened up MORE charging stations than an entire COUNTRY FULL of BUSINESS opportunities? And this SINGLE business man has been doing this for a DECADE already while other business entities are sitting on their asses and just give us EXCUSES as to why EVs will NEVER work...