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Yeah...that would be a personal opinion. I like both equally. But no matter which one you think is better looking, you cannot deny that the other is NOT not good looking.

@trinacriabob I was listening to those clips above and others a few weeks back. I was shocked to see that in some parts of Southern Italy, Greek is spoken still and mixed with Italian. I knew that about Sicily, but not on mainland Italy. I was even shocked to learn, this was yesterday, that a classic 1980 Giannis Poulopoulos song was but a cover. An Italian cover. From 1974. And there is a catch, the song was written and sung by a very popular Italian singer, but the song was written and sung...in Greek. Original Mia Martini Una faccia, una razza! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yDqhw4Vhh-I/Tvr6TfymTmI/AAAAAAAABiw/ia8Zwy4TxDI/s1600/ItaliaGreciaBandiere.jpg

That is a noice Oldsmobile too! I missed it! Thank-you for posting it!

There is something about gold Oldsmobiles...

OK Im very interested in your analysis. Like I have said in the past, I like to pick your brain with stuff like this!

More of an Italian car industry problem rather than a design problem?

Do not be like OCNBLU If you dont like them, you dont need to be confused as to why others actually DO like them. I did say this later on. But it does NOT change the fact that even if these may NOT be BOTH of our style of cars, we CAN appreciate them for what they are or what they look like. Or you may NOT like the way they look, which is fine, I like them. They are beautiful. Well, maybe NOT the car in this commercial, but you get the idea with the sexy visuals, song choice and the lovely Italian language!

Ive been thinking about this all this time. And although I do agree with you that some lines, like how David pointed out on that C pillar, is awkward, I feel that THIS car's beauty is MORE than the sum of its parts. And although at this angle, like you say, the undercarriage seems to be unfinished as you could see the ugly pipes of the exhaust system too much, it could have been done better, the lines, ALL lines do flow smoothly from front to back. I will disagree with @David by him mentioning that those bumperettes are not pleasing to the eye, they are no more "vulgar" or unnecessary than what Cadillac did with their style of bumperettes to try to beautify their front ends of their cars of mid 1950s. Or even Chevy's 1957 Belair. This SWB version seems to be tidied up quite a bit from the one above The rear of the 250 SWB is less flattering, uglier and bulkier than the 25 GT Lusso, which is not very pretty itself, between the two, I prefer the 250 GT Lusso. In comparison, a 1962 Corvette's lines were not that cohesive either (year for year) '50s front end with '60s back end styling made for a bumble bee behind. Fat. And that stainless steel trim on the bottom there maybe made for a clean finish, it was not a very pretty look. The '58 and '59 were much much sweeter. Devoid of that stainless steel trim and the '58/'59 seemed lighter and more sprightly.

I like Ferraris. Usually. More than Lamborghinis. More than Porsches. These types of cars are not the types of cars Id buy had I had the money (including Corvettes), but they do brighten up the roads when you see one. Any of one of them so-called exotic things. They also do beautify a teenager's bedroom (with posters) of them or pics in a beautiful cars thread. I prefer modern Ferraris over any other modern exotic super or hyper car. Even though I think that modern Ferraris are also overdone. Looks like it could be Aston Martin rather than a Ferrari. But hey...its a start. The start (maybe and hopefully) of beautiful, sexy and elegant lines rather than the awkward ugly-aggressive design language they had going on since the late 1990s.

Wasnt THE Trans Am version of the Firebird more or less a Cougar competitor? Although I do agree that an Oldsmobile F-Body would have been a better fit. Maybe. It would have been a sportier version of a personal luxury coupe. But it would have also been a less expensive model of Oldsmobile's very own personal luxury coupe that is the Cutlass SX. Would THAT be a good idea having a cheap pony car sold above the price tag of an already expensive Trans Am but being a cheap pony car non-the-less and offering not much more than what a Trans Am could offer anyway, and probably be LESS favorable than the Trans Am OR the Cutlass SX? But then again, an Oldsmobile F-Body personal luxury pony car coupe would have fit in PERFECTLY just below that SX and the big daddy Toronado. But then again, the Cougar in the mid-1970s just became a bloated Ford Torino personal luxury coupe and strayed far far away from its original concept. But then again, seeing that Pontiac made '70s history with their SD455 Trans Am and made a stellar movie appearance with a black and gold 6.6 liter Trans Am...and later years actually HAD an Olds engine under the hood to satisfy sales and CAFE numbers...maybe an Olds rocket 455 or 403 in the later years of their very own F-Body doesnt sound that out of this world after all. An intersesting "what-if" ...

I heard a story about how corporate didnt want to jeopardize and cannibalize Corvette sales and forced Pontiac to use Chevrolet's new F Platform that would house the Camaro. Having two 2-seater sports cars would be a money losing preposition for both brands. And I think they would be right. Although it would have been awesome to have seen it alive. But then again, the Firebird/Formula/Trans Am was quite the success and quite the exciting sports car itself. I would have loved to have seen a 2nd generation Fiero. I would have preferred that corporate would have NOT interfered with the Fiero's original engineering which is rumored that the Fiero was bean counted to extreme. It would have been quite the machine itself and probably that would have meant the death for the Firebird itself. But the Fiero had a sexiness (and potential performance) that the death of the Firebird would sting a lot less. Besides, a Fiero Trans Am with a LT1 or LS1 V8 could have been a thing... Of course THAT could have been the death of the Corvette too, but an affordable mid-engined V8 supercar would have come from GM THAT much earlier...

gogo dancers!

MOPAR Muscle

Awesome bike! A couple of other songs for your ride back home AND for your rides that you will be making on that bike

A couple-ah songs for ya rollin' and countin' down south And I really dont know how far South you are goin', but here...Southern Rock!

The Monkey

I was inspired by Balthy's posts in the Random Thoughts thread I nearly bought one in the early '90s, but my dad intervened. Told me the car is tooo old. I was willing to learn to wrench on it. But my dad, I guess, didnt have the energy to go through all that. I blame myself for not learning enough from him when he did have the energy to go through all that. I regret NOT listening to him and I should have bought it anyway. But I was a good son in many ways that I ALWAYS listened to him and his advice. If there was any time I should have rebelled against him, it was that time. Maybe 1 month after I showed him the car and we (he) decided that it wasnt a good car for me, he approached me before leaving to go to school. He asked me. DAD: "Hey, remember that Chevy you wanted to buy? You liked that car?" ME: "Umm...yeah! (confused by the question) Why? DAD: "You actually like those horizontal wings? (He gestures in the air showing how the wings are horizontal with his hands) ME: "YES! (with glee) I think they're cool!" DAD" "Oh...(with a sad tone) I always thought they were awkward . They were uglier in '59!" Love him. Miss him! Although now Im thinking that I typed it out, he just hated the car and didnt want it anywhere near him. LOL. I still love him and miss him even more. It was an Impala coupe. Dont remember the trim.

The only car I could tell who was driving was the Porsche. And like you, it was a Boomer. A 70-ish year old man. He looked good and proud driving it. He deserved a high five from me! ?

I had the day off. Went to Mount Royal (cemetery) to visit my parents. Beautiful day. Sun. Not a cloud in the sky. 68F. 1. light blue C4 Corvette convertible near the mountain top. 2. light brown, air cooled mid '80s Targa Porsche 911 on the outskirts of downtown Montreal. Griffintown. I was checking up the possible location of where the Tampa Bay Rays might be playing when we have them. 3. Not one, but TWO Pontiac Solstices near my neighborhood coming home. One red the other dark green.

Maybe true, for today's world. Performance metrics are thrown out the window. I wonder how long that kind of debauchery will last though. Last time I checked, sales derived profits are what makes a business, any business, stay alive... I wonder when all that imaginary money dries up, and there are no more idiot investors trying to make a quick buck STOP the money faucet, I wonder what all those Wallstreet up sellers and short sellers and fast money makers and con artists and thieves and get rich quick scammers and shyte disturbers and filth of the earth will do? Tesla is not going anywhere. But they might NOT be an EV producin' entity though, if they do NOT give the world a gen two Model S and Model X and gen two Model 3 and Model Y. The Ford Mach E is getting conquest sales from Tesla... So when YOU are tooting Tesla's stock market number right now, but when GM and VW and others start rolling their EVs Tesla is still rolling with their gen one Model S, Model X, Model 3 and , It wont mean much and Im afraid Wallstreet WILL have to start lookin' at sales performance stats again... Tesla IS ahead of everybody else in EV tech. Mostly in software programming of the battery metrics. But THAT gap is QUICKLY closing from what I see Ford is doing (with the Mach E) and what GM is capable of doing with the Hummer EV. By the time the full on EV Corvette comes on about, Im thinking that is when GM would have surpassed Tesla's tech. I keep on saying it, shyte on GM all you want, but the Corvette is proof positive of what the General is capable of doing. And even Tesla hasnt accomplished what the C8 has both in terms of speed performance (The C8 is on the Model S' heels on a BASE model), mass production on an extremely expensive architecture AND turning a profit on it... You know...what Wallstreet stock prices SHOULD be judged on... In no time, GM will have plenty of EV models... doubling and almost tripling Tesla's offerings. And then what do we talk about concerning Wallstreet types wanting to see EVs and yelling from the rooftops Tesla Tesla Tesla???