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@USA-1 your strong immune system could very well be your undoing if you were to catch Covid. Many of the young healthy people who died did so because their immune system over reacted and flooded their

I’m just going to say this. Those who think that because some folks died from the shot, it is somehow comparable to folks who have actually died from COVID-19 itself and thus not worth getting, truly

A lot of the Covid deniers will point to the survival rate (while also pointing at the wrong number), but survival does not equal recovery. People survive cancer all the time, but they are often not a

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I had my first Pfizer shot on March 22.  Had registered online w/ the local hospital chains, Walgreens, and CVS to see when I could get an appointment...University Hospitals came through first once I was eligible.   Had an 8 am appointment, first group of the day at a local hospital.  They were pretty efficient, from queuing up, to the registration, to the actual shot and the post shot wait w/ a 15 min timer I was in and out in around 35 minutes.   I ended up going there twice that day---my sister's appointment was at 5:45 at the same hospital, and she wanted me along as her emotional support sibling. 

Only a little shoulder pain that evening.    The next two nights I had bouts of insomnia and only got about 3-4 hrs of sleep, so ended up feeling washed out and weak the following days..took a half day off from WFH and slept.      Got shot #2 scheduled for  April 12th. 

Haven't changed my behavior, not going to eat out at crowded bars and restaurants....I guess at 50 I'm not much of a risk-taker anymore.  Staying at home indefinitely works for me now, though I do miss going to concerts, museums, restaurants, etc and other things I did in the before time....with Spring here (though not today--snowy and 32F), I do look forward to getting out for walks and hikes in the metro parks and nearby Cuyahoga Valley National Park soon...

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Due to taking care of both side of parents and grandparents, my wife and I qualified for the multi-generational household. So we got our Pfizer Shots and booster. I had no side affects from either shot, wife was fine with the first shot, but the second shot, but the time we got home was really out of it and slept the rest of the day and night and the next day was fine.

Our family doctor said due to her not having a thyroid, she was slower to respond but over all should be fine.

Like @Robert Hall we are not eating out, going anywhere other than local road trips. I make once a week trips for shopping for everyone, delivery to the doors of the parents / grand parents and then back home. Wife shop's via online and has stuff delivered, she makes 1 or 2 trips a month to Kohls to return stuff for Amazon returns and to Macy's for returns always early when they first open up to avoid crowds.

Pretty much will stay this way for the year while the world gets vaccinated.

Work with CDC, John Hopkins and Oxford in support of the storage they use for their Covid-19 research. Seems lots of research is going on with the focus of another booster shot in about 6 months to address Covid-19 variants.

Rather get vaccinated than deal with Covid-19 sickness.

https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-testing-3rd-booster-shot-for-covid-19-vaccine-variants-2021-2

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Going to be interesting to see if an annual Covid shot will become routine like an annual flu shot has been for many years.

 

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3 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Going to be interesting to see if an annual Covid shot will become routine like an annual flu shot has been for many years.

 

Pfizer says they are looking at a combined Flu / Covid shot.

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My family and I are still waiting for our turn to get the vaccine. 

Canada had a little hiccup which retarded the distributions but we are right on track now.  

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I qualified because I’m management in an organization with first responders. Albert had to wait a bit longer but eventually he got qualified because he is taking care of his parents. He got his second shot today of Pfizer. He says he’s feeling fine but I’ve caught him napping today. ( he’s off today)

my best friend qualified under the BMI rule which is ridiculously low. He’s a weight trainer so he’s not actually obese but his BMI qualified him.

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We really don't know what the long term effects will be and I won't be getting this inoculation, my personal preference. I'm pretty sure I already had Covid-19 way back before we even knew about it in Jan. 2020 as it was spreading from China and we know the CCP kept it quiet.

It wasn't that bad, like a head cold for a week or so the typical run for a virus of any kind and I never get sick (not even a seasonal cold) so I know it was most likely SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19). I'm 44 and feel that herd immunity has a great chance at keeping this Lab Bug down. I know several people who have had Covid-19 and gotten over it just fine, one person being my 76 yr. old Uncle who lives in the PNW and all he had was slight dizziness and fatigue, so he just slept a lot for a couple of days. My cousin and his wife and their two boys got it, he and the boys just had flu like symptoms for a few days and fatigue so they slept it off. They are both in the medical field, he's a PA and she's an RN and was asymptomatic. High risk are diabetics and the over weight with heart disease, among other underlying conditions. Experts are saying this current inoculation may not protect against the new variants coming out of the U.K., So. Africa and Brazil and now California here in the U.S., so it's a crap shoot and I'm not taking a chance of what the long term effects will be, especially if it's not going to protect from the new strains/variants. I'm good, thanks.

According to the ever changing guidance from the CDC, even if you are fully inoculated you still have to wear a face mask and continue to social distance. Also, regularly wash your d*mn hands with soap and water or have hand sanitizer with you. I have always religiously washed my hands when I get home after being out in public, even before this outbreak and like I stated earlier, I hardly ever get sick. I still think this is a major form of transmission like with any viral or bacterial infection.

 

“People who have received the vaccines should watch for changes in guidance from the CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention], and continue with coronavirus safety precautions to reduce the risk of infection, such as mask wearing, physical distancing and hand hygiene.”

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/a-new-strain-of-coronavirus-what-you-should-know

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Science constantly evolves and without testing, vaccination, etc. we would still have today Polio, Chicken Pox, Measles, Mumps, etc., etc., etc..

Common sense tells me that as more and more data comes in that the leaders of smart medical groups including our own CDC will adjust recommendations and guidance on how we approach and deal with this.

1918 Influenza, AKA Flu killed many before vaccination started to come out and history shows yearly updates of vaccination happened well into the following decades before the planet reached herd immunity and deaths started to decline to a more controllable level.

History shows how we have dealt with pandemics and medicine is on our side for keeping the bulk of society healthy and alive.

Past Pandemics | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Nothing is perfect, but I for one believe that the Good of the Many outweigh the Good of the Few.

Vaccination is a choice, but I would rather have everyone vaccinated keeping us with a delightful multi-cultural world than one that destroys humans with certain blood types or medical conditions just cause someone is uncomfortable with vaccination.

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We all have immune systems and some are very strong, "nature's vaccine". Like most of us know once you have a virus your immune system makes almost certain that you won't get that same bug again by making antibodies for it, even if a slightly different variant. So yes, there is such a thing as herd immunity and it's constantly proven.

I have and still wear a mask anytime I'm indoors in public to protect myself and others, but I find it interesting that the expert infectious disease doctors said we didn't need to be walking around with masks on in the beginning last February, but 2 weeks later we all needed masks ASAP. We could have had and still need better direction from our leading doctors and scientists involved with this ongoing disaster.

I'm not an antivaxer by any means and I am all for vaccines for MMR, Tentanus etc. Chicken Pox we all got as children and our immune systems made antibodies for it, but this isn't a typical vaccine like MMR or Tentanus or even the Flu shot where they inject a weak or inactive pathogen to force your immune system to build antibodies for it so you are more likely to be protected if or when the real one hits, but it's never 100% protection.

This is a very new inoculation called Messenger - Ribonucleic Acids (m-RNA) and it has never been widely used like this, so we have no way of knowing what it could do to our immune system and our DNA in the future with the way the RNA read the DNA nucleus and makes changes to our cells, they're screwing with science big time. They still have to have clinical testing like our FDA and CDC require or recommend, but it was only 6 mos. of trials for this particular m-RNA and they weren't having large trials that go on for at least 5 years when testing vaccines previously, so yes it's been in our FDA controlled labs, but not injected in this many arms.

 https://biologydictionary.net/mrna/

Just like people are dying from Covid-19 many are also dying from the m-RNA shots who were never sick, usually the second one from the two big Pharmas out there and many are healthy individuals with no underlying conditions, which is why I'm going with my strong immune system for protection.

I also hope everyone stays well, whichever choice you make. 

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I’m just going to say this. Those who think that because some folks died from the shot, it is somehow comparable to folks who have actually died from COVID-19 itself and thus not worth getting, truly do not understand how this works at all. Furthermore, herd immunity only applies here when 70-80% of the population is vaccinated. It has been covered and explained time and time again, by folks who actually believe and understand science, why herd immunization (as it was being suggested last year) is a bad option. The fact that millions more would have died would be the number one reason for it not happening. In the past year, my girlfriend and I have lost family (her non-mask wearing grandfather) and friends on both sides and a few who are still battling some crazy side effects of this disease. It is not the flu. It is not the cold. It is not even chickenpox. It is a disease with many different facets to it and we should all be doing our level best to keep it to a minimum. 

I have friends in Boulder Colorado who got it very early in the pandemic, just before things started getting locked down. They were sick for a month and pulled through, however a year later they still have after effects. This is a very healthy couple who would get out and exercise regularly and go hiking in the mountains. 
 

These days they get winded climbing up the one flight of stairs to their apartment. 
 

As far as I know they haven’t had any chest X-rays, but there’s plenty of evidence that they’ve suffered long term/permanent lung damage.

They’re the same age as me.

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11 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I have friends in Boulder Colorado who got it very early in the pandemic, just before things started getting locked down. They were sick for a month and pulled through, however a year later they still have after effects. This is a very healthy couple who would get out and exercise regularly and go hiking in the mountains. 
 

These days they get winded climbing up the one flight of stairs to their apartment. 
 

As far as I know they haven’t had any chest X-rays, but there’s plenty of evidence that they’ve suffered long term/permanent lung damage.

They’re the same age as me.

A good friend in Germany has an otherwise healthy 17 year old son who got it back in October and while he technically recovered, he has massive issues with his breathing and his energy levels, and that was just for starters. I would like to add that some famous folks got hit hard too. Maynard James Keenan (Tool lead singer) got COVID early last year and six months later, he was still not sure if he’d be able to sing live again because it wrecked his lungs. Just a few examples of the struggles folks are experiencing during these unprecedented times.

 

COVID-19 has never been a “black and white” type of virus and the many problems I’ve read about after recovery on top of all the unnecessary deaths makes me take it very seriously and while I have a very strong immune system, others in my household do not so I bear their safety in mind whenever I head out to deal with the public. It’s just common sense to me.

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52 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

A lot of the Covid deniers will point to the survival rate (while also pointing at the wrong number), but survival does not equal recovery. People survive cancer all the time, but they are often not able to do the things they once did. My old boss was a multi-time cancer survivor (it did get him eventually) but even when he was in remission he was relegated to a lifetime of medications that had side effects and he couldn’t take the stairs going up because he no longer had adrenal glands.

So yeah, he survived cancer for a time, but he never recovered.

The same is happening to people who get Covid.

A thousand times this!. I'll add this as well. Even if the deniers were correct on the survival rate, they fail to see the larger math problem here. Even if it is only a 1% mortality rate, that is still 3.4 million in the U.S. (based off of the 340 million we have in this country alone), dead and given the contagious nature of COVID, that is where it would be eventually if we did absolutely nothing and 3.4 million, in this country, would be a bare minimum number if we were to subscribe to the herd immunity "theory" presented by those deniers last year.

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My wife is a healthcare worker and she and a LOT of other doctors and health workers I know are not in a huge rush to get mRNA based vaccine.  The vaccine absolutely works for now but NOONE yet knows LONG TERM implications of the mRNA based vaccines.  That is the reason FDA gave TEMPORARY Emergency approval.  They don't have full approval of the FDA because it is simply not yet fully tested. 

 Personally, I probably will be eligible soon for the vaccine and I plan to get it simply because I want to start traveling and not worrying that I will get sick badly.  But if I have a chance I will get J&J vaccine, not Pfizer or Moderna.

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5 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

@USA-1 your strong immune system could very well be your undoing if you were to catch Covid. Many of the young healthy people who died did so because their immune system over reacted and flooded their lungs with mucus and inflamed air passages too much in an attempt to fight the virus.

You are correct that mRNA vaccines have not been widely used like this before, but they are not untested.  The vaccine itself is out of your system within a few days of each shot, removed by your immune system.

While using mRNA is a new technique for creating immune response, that’s where the novelty of it ends. Once your body recognizes it as an intruder, the immune process works the same as any other vaccine or even just being infected. And because the vaccine is expelled within days by the body, there is no reason to assume any long term side effects.

There are only 2 big question marks that will only be answered with time.

1. Will we need to get boosters to combat against variants? So far the data shows that while you may not be completely protected from a new variant, having the vaccine does prevent the illness from becoming serious enough to cause hospitalization and completely prevents death from the virus. So for now, getting the shots is worthwhile even with the variants out there. I will get the Moderna variants booster if/when it becomes available and needed. We have to do this with influenza every year, so it’s no big deal.

2. The other question mark is on how long immunity lasts. Most vaccines require booster shots after a period of years. The MMR vaccine is usually given to children, but for people my age and older they’re finding that the body forgets how to make the antibodies after a bunch of years for the vaccine that was being used in the early 80s when I got mine. There is a newer MMR shot that is supposed to improve on that which children are getting these days. I got a booster for MMR a couple years ago because I had the old vaccine. A few years ago I talked to my doctor and had him put me on a schedule to get boosters of anything and everything I might need because I was traveling internationally regularly.

But the risk of the body forgetting how to make antibodies is present for nearly all vaccines, so while we do not have data yet on when boosters for Covid-19 might be needed, I’m just assuming they will be needed eventually in order to maintain immunity.

I do hope you’ll reconsider and eventually get the shot USA.
 

A strong immune system is not the same as one that overreacts to a pathogen or antigen, two totally different things. Your immune system could overreact to the seasonal flu or any other nasty bug for that matter and for many people it does.

I've read all about m-RNA and it is a great development and the latest in technology with Gene therapy, but I and many others feel that it's not quite ready for prime-time, that is all I'm stating here.  I never stated that I wasn't going to eventually get it, I'm waiting it out a while like many others are who I know and trust.

It doesn't work like any other vaccine because it isn't like any other older method vaccine where an inactive pathogen is injected in your arm to "present" it to your immune system. There actually is data coming in that people who have been "fully vaccinated" are still getting Covid-19 so the different variants are, in fact, still getting past the "vaccine immunity" and some could be the 5% or 6% failure rate of the 2 shot vaccines 94-95% effective rate. The J&J one shot is definitely not worth it with only an 84% effective rate. 

It is a temporary Emergency Approval so You AND the FDA do not know for sure what possible side effects could come up in the near or distant future. I know they've been testing it, but not enough trials have been completed, nothing close to what they normally complete.

I get it, it scared the sh*t out of you that your friends almost died from it, but it's VERY RARE that someone our age has Covid-19 to that extreme. Like I stated earlier, I know several people our age and older that had Covid-19 and got over it fine, flu-ish or cold like for 3 days. My 53 yr. old PA cousin and his 51 yr. old RN wife both got it middle of last year like I stated earlier and are fine with no lasting side effects. My 76 yr. old Uncle got Covid late last year and got over it fine just dizzy and fatigued and slept a lot for a couple of days. My cousin says if he and his wife weren't in healthcare they most likely wouldn't get the m-RNA right now even before they had Covid, because not enough is known about the very possible lasting side effects. That's coming from people in healthcare who I trust, not our FDA/Gov't. and I'm not anti-government, I'm anti Big government.

There are a lot of chemicals used in food (food coloring/dyes) and body care products that are not banned by our FDA, but are banned in every other Developed Ally nation in Europe, Japan and Australia because of the cancer causing carcinogens or ADHD that they cause in children, so our FDA directors aren't always headed in the right direction. Why don't they just ban it? Because they have Big Corp. or Big Pharma in their back pocket who are sadly many times directing them. Why do we pay so much for basic pharmaceuticals like antibiotics in this country? Big Pharma money and control... 

 

4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

A lot of the Covid deniers will point to the survival rate (while also pointing at the wrong number), but survival does not equal recovery. People survive cancer all the time, but they are often not able to do the things they once did. My old boss was a multi-time cancer survivor (it did get him eventually) but even when he was in remission he was relegated to a lifetime of medications that had side effects and he couldn’t take the stairs going up because he no longer had adrenal glands.

So yeah, he survived cancer for a time, but he never recovered.

The same is happening to people who get Covid.

That's almost always the lasting effects of chemotherapy and radiation cell damage that cancer survivors go through. My cousin (sister of cousin above) had breast cancer nearly 20 years ago and still has horrible lasting effects from the chemo with tendon and muscle issues etc. She was healthy as an ox before as well, but obviously cancer doesn't discriminate. She says she now feels like a 75 yr. old woman when she's only 55. Sucks. 

It's often said if the cancer doesn't kill you, the chemo will.

 

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3 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

It doesn't work like any other vaccine because it isn't like any other older method vaccine where an inactive pathogen is injected in your arm to "present" it to your immune system. There actually is data coming in that people who have been "fully vaccinated" are still getting Covid-19 so the different variants are, in fact, still getting past the "vaccine immunity" and some could be the 5% or 6% failure rate of the 2 shot vaccines 94-95% effective rate.

That is expected. The flu shot has a lower effectiveness than the Covid shot. None of the vaccines are expected to be 100%. 
 

However the vaccine is effective that even if you’re vaccinated and still get it you don’t end up in the hospital.

so that is a major improvement over dying. 
 

That’s the point of the vaccine, to prevent mortality. That’s why getting the vaccine is important even with the variants.

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45 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

 None of the vaccines are expected to be 100%. 
 

However the vaccine is effective that even if you’re vaccinated and still get it you don’t end up in the hospital.
 

Right, which is what I am saying, nothing is 100% effective, so it's really a roll of the dice.

Like I stated earlier I'm pretty sure I already had it last February and I'll be getting tested for antibodies very soon now that the tests are having better results.

Also, we are still being told by the CDC to wear a mask and keep your social distance even if vaccinated, so that should tell you that even the FDA still doesn't know what to expect from the vaccine or it's effectiveness in so many people.

Happy Easter 🐰

 

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1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

There actually is data coming in that people who have been "fully vaccinated" are still getting Covid-19 so the different variants are, in fact, still getting past the "vaccine immunity" and some could be the 5% or 6% failure rate of the 2 shot vaccines 94-95% effective rate. The J&J one shot is definitely not worth it with only an 84% effective rate. 

Please post the actual links of where you are getting these so called facts on people who are vaccinated are getting sick with Covid-19?

Currently if you never had Covid-19 and get vaccinated, there has been no reported cases of infection except by deceptive news outlets that have not given any actual scientific facts on this.

Myths and Facts about COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

Current data is showing that J&J effectiveness is only 66%.

Information About Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC

What You Need to Know About the Johnson & Johnson Vaccine - COVID-19 - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (jhsph.edu)

Plenty of factual real science data from John Hopkins on the facts, not myths or news slander on vaccination.

Vaccines - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (jhu.edu)

COVID-19 Vaccination Information and Updates (hopkinsmedicine.org)

COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact | Johns Hopkins Medicine

If you do not want to have any faith or trust in US based science, there is also Oxford University.

Oxford coronavirus vaccine shows sustained protection of 76% during the 3-month interval until the second dose | University of Oxford

COVID-19 vaccines | Vaccine Knowledge (ox.ac.uk)

End result is I work with Oxford, JH and CDC daily since they use the storage product I support and I listen in on the daily concalls and the research and work being done. The vaccines are far safer than the Hyper Boll scare tactics used by news outlets, religion and other groups that hope to cause problems by fear.

You have a higher chance of death not being vaccinated than you do being vaccinated. If you spend time reading the science you will see this.

Your choice and I will respect it, I hope you will change your mind and see the benefits outweigh the risks as nothing is perfect, but it is your choice.

56 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Right, which is what I am saying, nothing is 100% effective, so it's really a roll of the dice.

Like I stated earlier I'm pretty sure I already had it last February and I'll be getting tested for antibodies very soon now that the tests are having better results.

Also, we are still being told by the CDC to wear a mask and keep your social distance even if vaccinated, so that should tell you that even the FDA still doesn't know what to expect from the vaccine or it's effectiveness in so many people.

Happy Easter 🐰

 

Common sense is not so common sadly.

The CDC/FDA is wanting masks and social distance till we get everyone vaccinated to help with slowing down the spread of a very dangerous and deadly virus. Spring break in Florida is showing just how crazy the lack of respect is causing.

Wishing you all the best to be safe.

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1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

Right, which is what I am saying, nothing is 100% effective, so it's really a roll of the dice.

Like I stated earlier I'm pretty sure I already had it last February and I'll be getting tested for antibodies very soon now that the tests are having better results.

Also, we are still being told by the CDC to wear a mask and keep your social distance even if vaccinated, so that should tell you that even the FDA still doesn't know what to expect from the vaccine or it's effectiveness in so many people.

Happy Easter 🐰

 

The reason they are still telling people to mask even if they’ve been vaccinated is that you can be an asymptomatic carrier. So even if your aren’t ill, you can carry the virus for a time and if you sneeze, say for seasonal allergies, you can spread the virus.

That isn’t a reason to not get vaccinated. 
 

If the odds of winning a roll of the dice were 95% in a casino, I’ll take that bet every single time. Even if I hit the 5% and lose, I can roll again in 90 days. 
 

Risk assessment has been part of my job for over a decade and a half. 

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