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The heads of the UAW I heard, will eventually be prosecuted for some kind of fraud. One guy resigned in hopes of eliminating his chances of being arrested? Did I hear that correct? Anyway, the C8 looks to be like a fantastic machine. I just hope Chevy could keep customers interested in it for another 60 years. It was a tough sell at times when it was front engined, yet it kept its core buyers intact. But as we all know, the Corvette program was nearly killed of several times in its history, the latest from C4 to the C5 due to waning customers and not making money on it and almost from the C6 to the C7 due to the bankruptcy. Now that its core buyers are conflicted, will it have a fresh new core buyers to keep it going for another 60 years? The mid-engined crowd is a finicky bunch...

Nope. A delay wont make it more appealing to you. But perhaps it will...in that the longer its delayed, the longer you will have to see it roaming around on public roads...

And it seems that YOU dont seem to understand what it is that I am looking for... Ill enjoy the movie...but Ill deem it to be GARBAGE if it lacks the details that make it a REAL HISTORIC BIO-PIC. Its in the little details, for me, when a HISTORIC movie depicting HISTORY in a more or less TRUTHFUL way... Yes, its a movie...based on a real event. It it lacks truth to it...we might as well call it a fantasy and not a historical event. In this case...TWILIGHT the movies would be enjoyed more by me than a false representation of what transpired. But yeah...Siskel and Ebert said that the movie is great. And some blogger on youtube said the Last Jedi is bullshyte because of SJW messages so I got to go by those standards... But I find it funny that we resorted to back hand insults on me when I showed you folk how there really are two opposing facts on this issue. And Im the one that is pushing for a more realistic movie depicting an American hero in a bad light...

Again... from your link...the director's cut Jonny: Very cool. In the Americanized folklore of this story, Henry Ford II is sort of like the good guy and Enzo Ferrari's the baddie. What I really, really liked about the way you portrayed it was like Ford wasn't so good and Enzo wasn't all bad. I said I HOPE its closer to the truth than the "the Americanized folklore of this story" which is bullshyte. Again...the movie aint out yet...you seem to love to use other people's opinions on what things are like. I do NOT give two shytes what reviewers thought about the movie if it was great or not. All I want from the movie is that they portray Enzo and Ford II closer to reality than what is passed on as gospel in the US. Hence me always saying: No American Flag Waving bullshyte!!! I get that the heroes in this movie ARE gonna be American...I have no problem with that... Its from an American POV where for 3 or 4 years, the Ferrari GT40 won at LeMans shutting out Ferrari and in one of those years, the GT40 took 1-2-3... And YES...Enzo leaving in a rage of fit and backing down from the deal BECAUSE he was not able to control his company's racing endeavors rather than the bullshyte version of Enzo not wanting to be bought by a maker of ugly cars is VERY SIGNIFICANT... It VILIFIES UNJUSTLY one man and props up another man to which it may be MORE realistic if it VILIFIED the other man instead... BIG DIFFERENCE And yes... that little detail might have repercussions on the box office ticket sales, but it also phoques up the truth. Revisionist history, even in a Hollywood movie, is NOT a good thing!!! You can't see that?

I have a weird sentiment on the Alfa Romeo Giulia. Some days I like the car, other days I do not. Side profile reminds me too much of a BMW, and I HATE on BMWs for the most part. But the over all styling of the Giulia is more often sexy to me than not. And I do like the exhaust notes of that turbo 2.9. An inline turbo 6 on a future Giulia will bring it that much closer to mimic a BMW, which I strangely applaud and can get very excited about. *hmmmmm* Great idea indeed to have a TTI6 Giulia. Could I get excited about a possible TTI6 Challenger SRT ACR or Challenger SRT "Wraith" in the near future? I think I can, yes!!!

@ykX From your Motor Trend Link Id say...there is 2 different opinions on this so called real event. And these two actually contradict one another... So...you were saying? PS: You think I didnt make any research to all of this before hand? Ive read this story in highschool... Ive read that exact Motor Trend narrative for decades. And I believed it. And I was proud of the American automotive industry even more... Until I came across other media that said otherwise about how it went down... Dont worry. I still love the American car industry over the others though. I still love the USA!!!

Now...since the truth is a 3 way street. Go find an Italian media source or two... Then...when reading the two sides...ask a third party that has NO connection to Ferrari, Ford, Italy and the US and somewhere in between, there lies the truth... FROM WIKI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GT40 History[edit] Henry Ford II had wanted a Ford at Le Mans since the early 1960s. In early 1963, Ford reportedly received word through a European intermediary that Enzo Ferrari was interested in selling to Ford Motor Company. Ford reportedly spent several million dollars in an audit of Ferrari factory assets and in legal negotiations, only to have Ferrari unilaterally cut off talks at a late stage due to disputes about the ability to direct open wheel racing. Ferrari, who wanted to remain the sole operator of his company's motor sports division, was angered when he was told that he would not be allowed to race at the Indianapolis 500 if the deal went through since Ford fielded Indy cars using its own engine, and didn't want competition from Ferrari. Enzo cut the deal off out of spite and Henry Ford II, enraged, directed his racing division to find a company that could build a Ferrari-beater on the world endurance-racing circuit.[

The movie is not even out yet. Nobody knows what angle the movie took. I just said that I HOPE THEIR IS NO LIES AND EGREGIOUS AMERICAN FLAG WAVING in the movie... There is a big difference in hoping and actually being... And yes it happened in real life. But that doesnt mean facts are correct in a movie... Braveheart... William Wallace really did exist. And there was a Scottish uprising...but... Well...many facts were wrong in that movie. And sometimes in a movie, likje discussed before, a movie is supposed to be a romanticized version of real life. But...Id say that Braveheart was an egregious Scottish flag fwaving moment...with many lies and errors...to maker the English look bad and horrible. I hope Ferrari versus Ford is not in that same vein...to make Enzo look bad...and the hooray hooray...we are Americans...we are the best...a la Rocky 4... I must break you to USA USA USA chants in Mother Russia flag waving bullshyte. As a Canuck...I LOVE Rocky 4. I could deal with that American flag waving in that movie. Fun times during the Cold War and all!!! As a Canuck...I wont be able to deal with any egregious flag waving in this movie just because America wants to feel good about herself with a REAL EVENT that MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED that way in the movie... I get it...your National pride is at stake. But sometimes being over patriotic is not a good thing. USA USA USA USA USA

Yeah... like money does not corrupt people and sway people to go one way over another.... Like humans are virtuous beings... Doctors, lawyers, politcians, business owners, media... All straight on the arrow. Like The President doesnt have a beef with He being a problem with fakenews as much as fakenews really existing. He aint wrong about fakenews. But he also contributes to fakenews as well... Like we live in a sin free world...if you actually believe sins exist if you are a man of faith. Speaking of faith...Ill add religious folk as being 100% virtuous as well...

^^^ A conglomerate prioritized speed and profit over safety? Say it ain't so, Joe. I do NOT believe it! (sarcasm)

LOL. Oh...trust me, I tried! I tried teaching them how to spell this way. "Gimme me an R ! (r) O! (o) C! (c) K! (k)...." But they never wanted to take to it. Seriously speaking, I tried making them listen to the classics from the 50s and 80s but my daughter just does not have an interest in music all that much. She will listen to what her peers listen to, which are "artists" and "singers" from today. She does have some interest in music, but it ends there. My son, he likes 50s rock. Bill Hailey. The Big Bopper. Several Doo Wop songs. But 80s rock...he wont touch it as his peers deem that era not cool. There are a couple of his friends who's daddy's succeeded in winning their kid's hearts to 80s music. But I failed...

Oh...yes they are. Some are. Some are not. But...tell you one thing. Even with today's cleaner cars, leave your car running in a closed environment and see how you fair and then come and tell me that emission laws are overboard. Catalytic converters and technology have come a long way since the 1970s. When push comes to shove...automakers WILL find a solution. When left alone....chaos ensues. Hell, chaos ensues when there are rules. A famous saying in NASCAR ...Tom Petty...oops..Richard Petty, (RIP TOM)...said if you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' THIS is regarding rules and regulations when in place and anarchy STILL ensues. When no laws and regulations exist, all hell breaks loose. And this is the kind of mind set that Detroit...and Wolfsburg go by. Not a good thing for you and me, buddy.

I agree with the first paragraph. I suppose its true with the 2nd paragraph. Let me correct myself. I know it to be true. I just do not want to agree with it in principle.

Im sure Fabio and Nunzio say the same thing about Ford. You know. Ford cars like a Ka or a Kuga. Or a S-Max.

Not a monopoly, no. But this is why I do NOT want to see a US flag waving affair regarding this movie. I get that its a movie and not a documentary. I get that its Hollywood and the storytelling has to be...um...nice and presentable and watchable....to make...money so it has to please the um...targeted demographic... But flagrant lies are less than enjoyable to me when its "based on a true story". Fantasy stories like Captain America this is not. Enzo and Shelby and Ford and all the other real people involved are...in fact real people and the facts should NOT be skewed. Time lines and the order of when things happened and maybe certain events could eliminated or enhanced...that is good. But flagrant lies. Not so much. And that is all I ask of the movie. No flagrant lies and egregious flag waving...

BTW. I had to google the definition of Apocryphal. Today is a good day. I learned a new word today. And its a big word. Im proud of myself. Thanx Bob.

This is today, when Ferrari is peddling all kinds of products from toilet paper to dildos... Not back in the 1960s, and hence the merger with...Ford.

Could very well be! I just want a movie that does not BS me with American flag waving. I could live with some of it in some movies. But Ferrari is just as much Italian pride as Ford is American pride... And then there is the British in all of this. The Ford GT40 was a British Lola car and both American car guys and British car guys helped it become what it became.

Enzo Ferrari. He is all about the racing. We all know that. His passion. Racing. Ferrari the company. A small company. FoMoCo. Big multi national corporation. We could all safely assume, they discussed the details with the lawyers present. We could also safely assume, that Enzo, all he probably wanted was control of the racing. He probably stated that several times. Now...at that meeting when it was time to sign. We do not know what was written in those contracts, but to have old Man Ferrari just walk out displeased like he was...well... What was written in those contracts that pissed that old Italian guy off to just walk away? And we all know as the legendary story goes that Ford Jr. wanted to crush Ferrari in...building muscle cars? Nope! In out doing Ferrari by one-upping them all the time in tree stumping full sized pick-up trucks and SUVs? Nope! By beating them in...racing at LeMans...at their own game? So...was it that Ford's team of lawyers that tried to pull one over Enzo's eyes about which company really controlled the racing projects? You see...I wanna know what REALLY went down in that meeting and who tried to screw who over... It happens still today. The whole Marvel Comics/Disney/Sony debacle with Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland and The MCU universe and the rights to what and bigger sharing in the profits while who finances what and what characters will play in what movies and poor old Stan Lee gets hosed and now he is dead. May he rest in peace!!! But yeah!!! America. Phoque Yeah! That old Italian Guinea WOP. Phoque Him because...well...we Americans NEVER screw ANYBODY over....and well...GT40 and 1-2-3 at LeMans and yeah. Bald Eagles everywhere!!!

There is always 3 sides to a story. Im just assuming that the version we always hear about is biased towards America feeling great about herself. Example: The Iran Hostage crisis in 1979. In some American media, Canada's involvement is almost never mentioned or if mentioned, very subdued to what extent Canada was involved in. Especially in the movie. The movie 42. Jackie Robinson. Montreal was just casually mentioned that Jackie could go back to Montreal because some players did not want him there. But in reality, Brooklyn's triple A team, the Montreal Royals, played a bigger part for Jackie Robinson in being the first black player in the Majors than what American media and movies want to portray. Not a documentary... Like Hollywood gets history correct... And yeah...publications are all about advert money... Road And Track chose a Hyundai as their sports car machine oif the year...over a Corvette mid engine.... yeah...because the Corvette did not advance the performance envelope enough. Especially at 60 000 US dollars...

That is the bottom line. I just speak for myself.

I wont see it in the movie theatres, but I will buy the DVD/Blu Ray in about 6 months from now when it comes out. I just hope its an accurate interpretation of what transpired and not some American "Phoque YEAH!!!" flag waving baloney... I love Ferrari. Old man Ferrari was an @ssh073. Shrewd shrewd business man nad even harder personality. But FoMoCo ran its business the same way. By that time Henry was out of the picture (and we all know Enzo and Henry probably had the same character traits) but FoMoCo was still just as a hard company to do business with also. I love Ford. I LOVE the Ford GT40 and the legend of it all. But I dont want the story to be all Ford heroics (with little British recognition) and pure Italian evilness just because Ferrari said no to Ford. Im sure Ferrari had its reasons for backing down on the deal at the last minute and if one was to ask what was the Italian point of view, Im sure they'd say that American business practises are evil... Because on this side of the pond...all we hear is how Ferrari phoqued this up and how Ferrari screwed that up and Ford was pissed and Ford got revenge....and Im sure that that version is not all that accurate...

My both kids are simply not into music the way I was therefore there is no need for me to invest in Spotify music services or heartthrob concert tickets. They listen to music but youtube is good enough for them. They dont want to listen to their teen idol artists 24/7...

Spotify has a family plan? LOL So...us being in Canada, not only are we paying extremely high internet fees for 5 minutes worth of world wide web surfing, we also got to pay for music that we should already own on minimum 3 mediums... Casette (recorded over the radio for free I might add) Cassette and/or LP and upgraded to CD in the 1990s and then just transfered on MP3 later on... I will NEVER pay for online music services. I will GLADLY buy the CD/Blue Ray or LP of the artist's album but I NEVER pay for a Spotify type service or XM satellite radio. I never enjoyed Howard Stern and I do have satellite TV for sports viewing so that nullifies any reason for satellite radiuo services for. PS: I got some Cassettes that are no longer in good condition along with a few LPs that are scratched but those albums have been replaced by CDs plus I got a shyte ton of other CDs as well that are immaculate still. If I dont have a song that I have listened to when I was young, there is youtube. Most of what I enjoy listening to while I drive are on a USB key or in my car's radio's memory banks on a playlist from music that I bought and just transferred there.