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That is because the people over at FoMoCo or GM do NOT make performance versions of the Impala or Malibu... Like you said, the Fusion sport is an outlier, yet even that, the AWD system in the Fusion Sport is NOT the AWD system that is in the Focus ST/RS(?) in that the Fusion Sport is just a turbo V6 sedan and not an Audi S4/Audi S6 type of performance machine... The Edge ST has the same engine. I would be curious to see how the Fusion Sport and the Edge ST compare to each other since they both use the same engine AND platform...

Grand Ams did not roll over that easily... Like I said, a lot of R&D development dollars are spent so tall CUVs do not roll over...and THAT is why I mentioned the Grand Am in the first place. The ILLUSION of sportiness via body cladding... And yes, many options still available. And yes, I did mention that CUVs are being bought today en masse JUST because people today do not care for "performance". But please, do NOT think once that CUVs are handlers...they are not. BMW M versions of their CUVs do a fantastic job of outhandling some sports cars, but even their M versions of their CUVs will NEVER be able to outhandle their M verisons of their cars...

In all honesty, only the Cobalt SS and the Tralblazer SS were truly a good representation of what an "SS" Chevy should be. The others were just an attempt to sell nostalgia...and cheapened the "SS" moniker in doing so. Piss poor attempts at being "SS" cars is what Im getting at. (I do not remember what the Silverado SS was all about though, so I wont include that vehicle) The 2005 Impala SS should have been the Lumina SS when GM also did the Pontiac Grand Prix GTP back in 1997. Not in 2005. Almost a decade too late. The Malibu SS? I wont even talk about that one... Hummer SHOULD be used by GM. The only reason why it went away is because the greenies were attacking Hummer but not Lexus and Toyota or Mercedes and BMW for offering SUVs in their stables. The Hummer was the scape goat for the "gas guzzling SUV" fight they were doing. Irony now is that all manufacturers all selling "gas guzzling SUVs" today... I do not know how popular "SS" would be with people though. Laugh if you will, but maybe "SS" could be the electrified versions of said models...

Suspension systems have come a loooong way, even since the 1990s. We all know what a FWD Cobalt SS did back then in the handling department. Maybe we do not know what a 1999 Acura Intergra GSR was to the sport compact scene, but at least we got the Cobalt SS to have a visual... But these are cars from almost 20 years ago... All that R&D money spent on engineering a tall CUV so it do not roll over, imagine what could have been done to family hauling sedans' suspensions so they could actually be fun to drive? (from an enthusiast POV) As I stated above, reality is that the average American consumer does not care for that...

MMmmm. Id say no to that. AT least with Quebec girls. The amount of fooling around we do in the winter JUST because we cannot go outside... Middle aged women on the other hand. Poutine is delicious you see. And very good winter comfort food... But still not lard asses up here.

Well, at least with a sporty Chevy SS, one can get speeding tickets quite easily even if not drag racing it... Bottom line is this: Americans since the late 1970s I think, do not really want exciting cars to DRIVE in. To actually drive. They want conservative boring appliances to spend their commute in. And when cars started to get downsized, the love for big never went away. But along with that love for trucks and SUVs came the love for taller vehicles as well to have the IMAGE of safety and/or offroadability. At least when The Dukes of Hazard was on TV and Smokey and the Bandit was on the Silver Screen, just before the downsizing of cars had its affect on people, at least those buyers then actually DID want to be like Bo and Luke Duke and the Bandit...and still bought cars that way. The old adage, win on Sunday buy on Monday rang true...then

Sedans... not minivans... Sedans... Well, the V-Series Cadillacs, the regular sedan Cadillacs, the M cars from BMW, the regular Bimmers and the like beg to differ from this POV. Also, even if we are talking about understearing front heavy FWD 60/40 weight distribusion sedans, physics come into play. Sedans are not tall and top heavy...so...even a compact 1994 Pontiac Grand Am GT with a lowly 3.1 liter OHV V6 with ONLY 155HP and tons of plastic body cladding and a rattling plastic dashboard is still 10000% times more fun to drive than an Equinox...

Ummmm..NO!!! Its a copy/pasted and enlarged by 25% Mazda CX3 with design elements from a Nissan Murano of a couple of generations ago which in itself is a taller, clumsier Mazda 3 hatchback... The Grand Cherokee is no styling beauty either...

"available" and mild are the key words. Even if most people actually do choose that option, how many of them actually off road their MILD off roader GMC CUVs? In my book, either you are an offroading sports utility vehicle or you are a soccer mom, geezermobile appliance vehicle meant to get your old fart ass in and out of the vehicle more easily...

Nope. Just a 5-6 year old kid that never wants to grow up (old?) On second thought, the General Lee with Daisy Duke shorts...? I wonder if my wife could fit in those? ?

For me....it is the opposite. Obviously now, and for the last 2,3,4, 5 years now, sedans have gotten to be, not that interesting. That would be because CUVs have taken over... But...fir me at least, all these new CUV entries we have had in the last 5 years, not one interests me. Not one! I keep on going back to the only SUV that I ever loved. And that would be the original Jeep. CJ, YJ, TJ, JK, JL... I can tolerate the Ford Edge. Im really liking the Aviator. The Blazer looks to be alright, but I doubt that it excite me to the point where I could say yippee!!! The Jeep Grand Cherokee is also tolerable.

You guys are sissies!!! We keep talking about about how sedans are going away, we discuss how vehicles are becoming appliances... Back in the 1980s, middle aged men drove these around with nie a complain. Burt Reynolds was 41???!!! Im dissapoint...

He does go a bit further than that. He wants Corvette to be a brand. And he says that the Cadillac V Series cars would benefit more if Corvette took over those and sell them too. Id agree with him on that as well!!! Its not as if the checkered flags did not go on vehicles other than the Corvette... Intead of the V Series badge, a chekered flad emblem could adorn the cars and sold as Corvette tuned GM vehicles. From there, the Escalade could get done... And of course other vehicles from GM like the Blazer. Or even Tahoe. Different mods for different GM brands? Maybe? And from there, Corvette tuning could branch out to other performance makes. Hyundai's Genesis maybe? Hennessey does it with the Escalade. Hennessey does a Hellcat too I think along with the Exorcist Camaro. (I cant stand the man, he is a crook, but, for all intents and purposes of this conversation...) why not the Corvette racing and performnce team at GM?

Yeah. You may be right. The Silverado does seem to have a nice side profile, though. I like that swoosh on it. Too bad the front end is all roided up to hell... If you gonna do a swoosh, you might as well do a swoosh (or several of them)...that LeSabre concept wears them loud and proud!

Maybe that swoosh dates back to these guys? (the 1959 is more of a straight line) (the 1960 is more of a crease going from the top fender to the back making itself into the wing) (and the 1961 is more like a swoosh, that leads up to the back. I think I like the 1961 representation the best of all of them!)

Car of the Century!!! Take THAT GM!!! Oh wait, the thread is about Mark Reuss becong GM's new Prez...

Was that a rendering of an Oldsmobile Toronado to look like a Cadillac? Or, was the Eldorado supposed to look like that, but Oldsmobile said "Hey! That should be the Toronado!!!" (And then, something horrible went wrong...)

Yes. Yes. Monroney=window sticker Mulroney=Prime Minister that could be bought...he was a lawyer after all.

I forgot about...well, all that I did not mention. And I was too lazy to Google. And...not to make excuses for myself, but I had a looooong day at work making my brain turn to mush as soon as I got home. But thanx for the info. ? But let us be honest here, some of those vehicles mentioned are piss poor attempts. (MB250e) And some of those lack ANY cool factor that they try too hard to be cool which, as it turned out, did not impress the masses much. (Kia Soul EV) The Kia Soul actually tried too hard to be a hip car even as a gasoline powered vehicle. I like it personally. But it is weird looking. And then some of them are quite good attempts, but waaaay too much coin to spend on them as their gasoline (or diesel) powered siblings are cheaper in price, get good mileage anyway as fossil fuel burners. (VW e-Golf) I wonder how the Jag iPace compares to the Tesla Model X. Forget it. I do not care. I hate the whole crossover/SUV scene regardless of what powers them... But I know one thing, none of those electric machines even comes close to the cool factor the Teslas have. Nor do the electric doodads. And THAT is how Tesla is still Tesla around the world... PS: Does anybody else hate the acronym "BEVs"? Not very appealing. I do not mind CUV or SUV, but BEVs... YUCK!!!

I phoquing love those JEEPS!!! Bolt Mulroney? Canada's former Prime Minister could be bought for only 39 grand? Boy, Airbus got screwed on that deal I tell ya!!!

Foot in mouth....regarding hating when people put clothes on dogs. LOL But that little fella, yeah, poor guy. He probably gets just as cold as we do in freezing cold weather... I guess I could be more sensitive...LOL

Well, no other traditional automaker has actually done a full, pure, 100% battery only electric car to be honest. There is GM, BMW, Nissan. Mercedes too. The Toyota Prius family...all those are hybrids right? So Toyota is not one of the companies to get on the 100% full EV bandwagon, right? The Mercedes SLS Electric was one expensive motherfu . I do not know how many were produced and sold, but Im willing to bet it wasnt that many. And I think these were limited editions anyway, so moot point about sales... Porsche and Mercedes Benz are gonna play in the Tesla Model S territory. Porsche and Mercedes Benz better have their A++++ game in the electronic gadgets inside the car as Tesla is second to none there. Tesla's screen that does everything, the download-ability that updates the systems...are all like Microsoft, Apple, Android smooth. THAT is the thing, we all say that Tesla is like Apple...well, they are because Tesla's electronic gadgets act and react EXACTLY how PCs, laptops, tablets and smart phones behave. Maybe even better...and THAT is what the consumer of Tesla cars EXPECTS of their cars nowadays. We've all been spoiled by our smart phones. And then tablets. And THAT is how we want our electronic doodads to be like. And Tesla does that better than anybody! Talk all you want about leather seating, soft touch dashboards or center consoles that cools or heats our drinks...what the modern buyer of cars, especially EVs want, is that their car's connectivity to the internet via that touch screen, be even better than what they are used to with their Samsung's Galaxy and iPhone and tablets... If Mercedes and Porsche want to steal consumers from Tesla, THAT is where the battleground will be fought at... Oh...did I forget to mention the charging network? Oh...and Tesla's motor is a gem too... We will see if Porsche will be able to duplicate Ludicrous... Tesla has NOTHING to lose. If Porsche beats it...hey its Porsche. Its a speed company. And a new speed war has began. And then we wait and see what Tesla does next... If Porsche does not...Porsche hangs their head in shame and only benefits Tesla even more...

You and me both! I especially HATE IT!!! ? when people dress up their dogs.... I understand FULLY!!! @dfelt mentioned his drills... I too, have my favorite tools. A Black and Decker Fire Storm cordless drill, that I absolutely refuse to give up. I love it!!! But Im also on my 3rd Ni-Ca battery on it that I bought for it. 50 bucks. I could buy a brand new Lithion battery powered Ryobi or Makita or whatever...but that Black and Decker, its been with me since 1994. We've been through a lot. I bought it for my dad.XMAS gift. He used it a lot. I used it a lot. As long as I could always buy a Ni-Ca battery for it, I will never let it go. Plus...with my cars that Ive owned. There is ALWAYS a sad moment when I replace them with something new. I aint happy for a new car. Im saddened that Im departing with the old one. I actually cried when I traded in my Olds Alero for the Impala I bought. I just confessed to crying over my Olds Alero when I gave it up for another car. I think that qualifies. But, let us be real here. Anthropomorphism is what is happening here. Inanimate objects do not have personalities. We as humans, assign personalities to them. But...animals actually DO have personalities for real...

Technically, this has morphed into more of a philosophical discussion... Do NOT forget what Horsie said about the Cowboys... So much YES to that too...but it aint sadly...its more like AWESOMELY...

That my friend, is the age old question, isnt it? “Ignorance, the root and stem of every evil.” ― Plato “I'm trying to think, don't confuse me with facts.” ― Plato “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” ― Socrates “I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think” ― Socrates “Wonder is the beginning of wisdom.” ― Socrates “Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” ― Socrates “To find yourself, think for yourself.” ― Socrates Ignorance is the night of the mind, but a night without moon or star. — Confucius, 551-479 BC, Chinese teacher & philosopher The only thing that is more expensive than education is ignorance. — Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790, American politician & writer Books and ideas are the most effective weapons against intolerance and ignorance. — Lyndon Johnson, 1908-1973, American President [1963-1969] As you see, from the dawn of time, man has struggled with this... But to willfully choose to ignore and to stay ignorant of what is what... Not ignorance, but ignorance of ignorance is the death of knowledge. — Alfred North Whitehead, 1861-1947, British philosopher & mathematician With life experiences and input of all kinds, good, bad, accurate or false... Sixty years ago I knew everything. Now I know nothing. Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance. — Will Durant, 1885-1981, American historian & philosopher That is the beauty of human existence. We have the ability to learn...