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1983? Wow! Doncha think we are holding the grudge a tad too long? Aurora? As in Oldsmobile? Lets see now...Oldsmobile in 1983... https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a6599/top-automotive-engineering-failures-oldsmobile-diesels/ About the grudge...I get pissy when people cant let go of GM's malaise era... This aint no different! Well... Related to the link above and the rebuttal to your post Peugeot made no worse cars than GM did in the 1980s. Peugeot in Europe today makes cars that could be present day equivalent Oldsmobiles. They are elegant, sporty, modern and luxurious. I dont know about their quality, but they cant be no worse than what GM puts out with Buick. You know, the brand that technically replaced Oldsmobile in North America as Buick was almost dead in North America when GM pulled the plug on Oldsmobile. Buick DID inherite Oldsmobile cars...the Rainier, the Lucerne. To answer your question even further...the American people did hold a grudge with crappy GM products of the mid to late 1970s all the way to the 2000s...when GM declared bankruptcy...when Saturn and Pontiac and Oldsmobile died... Reliability today you ask once more? Again...cant be no worse than our very own domestic brands... So...before you folk try to lynch me...take some time to notice and acknowledge what is my avatar and more importantly...what my name is on this site... To boot, that is the name I will ALWAYS go with on anything automotive... Alls I wanna say is...if you wanna wave the American flag. GREAT! WAVE IT! But you dont hae to justify the pride by denouncing anybody... -
I agree 100% with ALL that you said... Except that quote which I quoted you on... I agree with the fact that the salesperson is doing his job. I also agree that the dealership is there solely to sell cars, and that they need to sell cars any which way they see fit... But...a dealership IS a store. A dealership IS open DURING BUSINESS hours to ACCEPT POTENTIAL customers. A POTENTIAL customer SHOULD be ABLE to VISIT a dealership DURING business hours...NOT before or AFTER business hours. Yes...the salesman NEEDS to sell cars to live and he needs to do his job the way his boss tells him to. We discussed that. As a potential customer though... I NEED TO VISIT A DEALERSHIP WITHOUT THE CONSTANT HARASSING IF I WANT TO BUY THE CAR TODAY. I NEED THE BREATHING ROOM TO SEE FOR MYSELF. A SIMPLE NO THANX SHOULD BE ENOUGH... If a dealership thinks that if a potential client leaves the dealership and that dealership equates THAT as a loss of a sale to another dealership...MAYBE THAT dealership should CHANGE the way they do business and leave the 1950s/1960s/1970s/1980s/1990s where they belong. IN THE PAST!!! Yes. Yes. Yes. I understand that there is a plethora of undetermined, uninformed morons out there that NEED this type of sales tactic even though they say they dont... But...the salespeople and the managers NEED to IDENTIFY the differences between the many types of buyers... The dealerships...should invest in TEACHING their salespeople HOW to sell to people in the 21st century. The DEALERSHIPS need to get together ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY and CHANGE the INDUSTRY around... INSTEAD OF FIGHTING with the PHOQUING customer...the PHOQUING INDUSTRY NEEDS TO CHANGE THIS! NO! Not the CUSTOMER...HE JUST WANTS TO BUY A PHOQUING CAR. ITS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PHOQUING INDUSTRY TO CHANGE... STOP BLAMING THE CUSTOMER AND PUTTING THE ONUS ON HIM!!!
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Yeah...well... My car company is known for PROSPERITY, FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY!!! Dont forget Rock-N-Roll!!! YOUR car company is know for HOMICIDE, GENOCIDE and...and...SUICIDE...
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Its all about the roll-over safety. Yes...yes...the M-B coupe's roof is engineered to not collapse in case of a roll-over.... I applaud the fact that Mercedes Benz went all out to make a pillar-less roof. Its a good thing in my book. But for modern coupes.... This is my #1 side profile that I prefer. Tied with this guy 2nd place belongs to this guy And then everybody else... What I like about this guy 1. pillar-less roof line 2. Long hood, short deck styling. But they all do that... 3. That is about it. The lines are just as conservatively boring as the ATS coupe. If you noticed, the Infiniti, The Challenger anf the Mustang all have hips....I like hips. I like curvy. In my women and in my cars... The Mercedes Benz and the ATS are androgynous, sexless... Not my style man. Not. My. Style.
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Which reminds me... My favorite car of all time is EXACTLY what you folk are kvetching about...(the wheelbase of MY favorite car of all time just ekes it out, I guess!) Oh YEAH!!! I aint judging here..but none of those coupes hold a candle to MY favorite car of all time... Wait a minute...I lied...here comes the JUDGE!
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I really dont know if I like it...or hate it. It has nothing to do with me hating Toyota. Im just not sure how I feel about how it looks. Id say me hatin' on Toyota is but a small factor. Id also say me not being into small hatches all that much would be another small factor. But those two things do not amount to anything as to how really confused I am about the design of this new Corolla. Sure there are design features that really suck on it when looking at those elements by themselves. But as a whole, those design elements that suck on it really work on it...as a whole... Yes, Tokyo has weird car culture and that translates to really weird and ugly (to us) design languages...but that does not mean that I should be hatin' on this car. To which why Im confused. Because I have come to terms with weird Japanese car culture, and this new Corolla really really is cool when you consider Japanese car culture. THAT is the part I like about it. Just like the Nissan Juke. Ugly mofo, but I LOVE it! Kia Soul (Not Japanese but Oriental non the less), ugly thing, but I LIKE it. The only weird lookin' Japanese car I did not like was the Nissan Cube. OK...Ill just say that I like this new Corolla since there is nothing about it that truly makes me wanna hate it. Yes its ugly, but I like it!
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Chevrolet Malibu Chevrolet Impala Honda Accord Probably the victims of their respective brands equivalent CUVs cannibalizing their sales. Also, the Malibu and the Impala probably compete with each other for the remainder sedan sales. And for the Impala, we add the Lacrosse and now the Regal... As for the Accord, we could add that the new larger Civic also steals sales. AND, the TLX...for those that want a sedan from the Honda corporate company but prefer having the Acura badge instead of the Honda one.
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1988 huh? Well, I did drive a 1986 Celebrity in Montreal from 1990-1994 (daddy's car, family car)i n Montreal wintery weather that is on par to Minnesota's winter. Actually, Im still living in Montreal. This thread is right up my alley. So...we WILL go back into time and I WILL tell you what FWD car I liked then. 1989 Pontiac Grand Prix TURBO. Yes yes....the year should be 1988 and not 1989. The 1988 Grand Prix was dope, but the Mclaren Turbo version was doper... but as a family car, I think I remember to have liked the Bonneville SSE.
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I think it IS a business model. To see what sticks. Eliminate what doesnt. Find what works and go that way, get rid of what doesnt. And yes, eventually, they trim the fat. But not without creating a fan base for their vehicles. Even the models that did not sell all the well, still had some buyers...they were in THAT showroom. And now that their vehicle wont be coming back, maybe they had a good experience with that model and will be back in that very showroom buying another M-B... I know what I just said could be challenged with brand loyalty data...it still does not change the fact that even with the slow selling models, people got to experience a BMW or Mercedes Benz vehicle. That is MORE than Cadillac since Cadillac has NO models that these people would consider buying as Cadillac lacks many many products in many many niches... And yes, Cadillac or GM, other than Corvette or Camaro or the V Series Cadillacs, are not daring greatly. And I dont mean speed, but awesome engineering and taking chances and growing the brands that are Camaro, Corvette or V-Series...
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Yes. I agree to the XT5-V not being much of an interest and therefore not a money maker or at the very least, getting people in the showroom. Soccer moms, suburban housewives, scrawny yuppie middle managers that think they got a clue but really dont, dont really buy into performance vehicles of any kind really. And they dont get excited when the sales rep talks to them about high performance either. They dont go out of their way to visit a showroom based on the fact that Model XYZ won the 24 hours of Lemans or the Nascar race on Sunday and want to buy the baby version of that car or any other car in the showroom...and the XT5 or the RX or the X1 from BMW are just vehicles with luxury intentions that makes them feel good... The Escalade...now that would be something of an interesting footnote in automotive history if Cadillac engineered and offered something wild in powertrain and in sporty suspension demeanor options. "If it aint broke dont fix it" would not apply here as the Escalade aint broke and it sells just fine. But "why the phoque not???!!!" would do wonders in getting people in the showrooms just to look at one and see for themselves how stupendously nutty the vehicle might be and you never know, they may just drive off in a brand new CTS-V instead because they would deem the Escalade ESV-V too crazy and weird to explain to their neighbours...
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Well, of course. But where is that XT5-V? Or any other performance oriented CUV from Cadillac? The Germans are pumping out all kinds of models. Sure, they are pumping them out at an insane rate and its more akin to see what sticks rather than business savvy, but still. The models are there. Cadillac makes concepts that has the planet salivating, ALL THE PLANET, and are afraid to build it. (minus the couple that they did build, but failed miserably in the market-place, but that was because of their piss-poor execution than anything else, which means that Cadillac product planners got no clue of what is going on in the market place...)
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Yeah...but about that... Could it also be that Audi interiors are, like awesome, and when people actually sit inside an Audi CUV or SUV or sedan above the A4 car, are impressed and when are cross shopping with other brands like Acura, Buick, Infiniti, Cadillac and the like, are less impressed and go on to buy that Audi instead?
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Yup. And I dont talk cars with them. Ive stopped conversatin' with people like that. IA while ago. Not too long ago though but I made it a rule that I wont be wasting my time with folk like that...on any subject, not just cars. When I see the entourage near me be filled with cluelessness and clueless people, I stop being the person to enlighten and I have become the person to flee. I enjoy the parties and get-togethers I go to much more now.
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Im sorry for that. Drew made that case loud and clear that idiots are in fact everywhere! Sorry.
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Well, yourself and Drew just now has proved to me that there are many idiots around. I too have met idiots like that. But those idiots are not car people to begin with. So...all kinds of shyte comes out of their mouths. Im basing my statements calling them out as trolls to the people that ARE car people and have an inkling of what is actually happening in the automotive world. In Quebec, the furthest place in North America that one could call it being a car enthusiast place, and I have yet to meet a car person that would be THAT dense....(non-car people aside...) THAT is how Im basing my statement.
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This much I agree. So..Drew, THIS would be a HUGE plus for a RWD CUV for Cadillac. Albeit the XT5 is still needed. And needed to be FWD based. There NEEDS to be high performance/high end RWD/AWD CUVs and SUVs for Cadillac...
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From what I gather...there wont be any "re-badged" Chevy stigma... (I cant believe Im still reading trolly responses like that in 2018...)
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Brand image? Cant get away with the "re-badged" Chevy stigma? Where is that stigma present in those 4 photographs? You are barking up the wrong tree in all 4 of those segments...albeit the GMC, Buick and Cadillac are in the same market niche fighting for the same market dollars...but nothing says that they cannot co-exist. In fact...they MUST co-exist to ensure their respective brands get sales... What you may want to say, is that Cadillac needs RWD sporty oriented CUVs and SUVs with V Series badging to ensure enthusiasts are well represented for the brand... CUVs and SUVs to go up against these machines from BMW and Mercedes Because either you are trolling with this statement... because a CTS was NEVER an Impala based car....EVER... never looked like the CTS could even BE an Impala. So...either these guys you bumped into are trolls...much like yourself, or just cant stand Cadillac and/or GM and NOTHING that Cadillac and/or GM will do will EVER change that. Because quite honestly, NOBODY is THAT moronic and clueless to confuse a CTS of any generation with that of an Impala of any generation. Maybe if we went and compared a 1980s Caprice with a 1980s Fleetwood...but I doubt your entourage were old enough to remember those cars...
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The Infiniti Q60 has got to be the most prettiest car in its class. Its got lines that only Italian car designers could only achieve. And that is definitely a good thing.
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I dont need or want a 6000 lbs SUV. I do however want a 6000 lbs sedan or coupe. I dont need that either. But I want one. But Ill take a small convertible if anybody offered me one. *SIGH* Cadillac does NOT offer a car like this Benz though, so my choices are limited if I wanted to spend a good chunk of my money on a small convertible and I wanted a luxury oriented convertible. Sure there is the Camaro convertible, but I want to buy something from a luxury brand.... Yup...Benz it is! So yeah...I too call bullshyte MR. DFELT on the C Class convertible lacking passion! PS: It dont matter if the dash "looks" cheap... The 3 pointed Star up front is what counts...THAT is THE point!
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Or at the very least, some CUVs and SUVs that have sporty intentions... BMW and Mercedes offers those too...even though I dont like ANY CUV or SUV short of a Wrangler, I do recognize trends in the market place...
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More power is the only thing I like in your list there. LED lights? Cool, I guess. Neat feature. Like chrome trim was back in the day. But it aint something that makes or breaks a deal for me. Bigger screens? The only bigger screen I want is bigger windows so I could see where the phoque Im driving...because I actually...um...drive. I like to look out the damned window when I.....um....drive. Im not into TV screens on my console. I prefer buttons. No...I dont talk to my car to turn on the heat. I talk to my wife to turn HER heat on if you know what I mean... So...the more power part is the only thing I like. The only thing I get excited for. That and when I get my wife excited...SHE still turns me on!
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Lincoln News: Rumorpile: Lincoln Continental To Be One and Done?
oldshurst442 replied to William Maley's topic in Lincoln
At 84 at the youngest, and assuming they are still alive and in health without them NOT being able to drive or medical bills stealing their life savings away...if an 84 year old was to buy a Lincoln today, Im assuming he/she would be sliding into one of these Lincolns... MKC and MKX. And if Im not mistaken, these are selling well. Now, are 84 year olds buying these? Yes...as a hater of SUVs, there is one thing I do understand, is that CUVs are easier to get in and out of compared to their sedan counterparts these days...so...I agree with you 100% Drew about the Continental! The Continental had to show people WHY they should buy it over other cars in this segment. All that was said by everybody stating their reasons why the Conti failed are ALL VALID reasons and in my opinion...ALL REASONS GIVEN IN THIS THREAD ALL CONTRIBUTED TO THAT FAILURE one way or other!- 58 replies
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Lincoln News: Rumorpile: Lincoln Continental To Be One and Done?
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True. But... The Continental then was not a huge hit amongst the young-uns. The Lincoln LS, however, was. So...Drew is right about that. OK...that statement was a tad over the top admittedly, doesnt change the fact that what he said is not true, and what he said is: -
I would say exactly that about the new CT-6. But knowing me. It be about 1000 words long. So I will spare you folk the unnecessary wastage of words and space. So...what Blu said!
