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They are drowning in their own made undertow. Their hometown government tried to give them a life preserver but they too, decided to limit the line thrown to them as its hard to justify the criminality of it all. Plus, the arrogance may be too much... The only thing that is left is public perception. And by the looks of things, in North America, VW sales are on the down since this news broke out. And every time bad news likes this makes it publicly...the sinking and drowning feeling is intensified...IMO.

yes. Let us start comparing this to Tesla. Shall we?! So...is GM Hitler in this scenario? Or how about more bad press and still loving it? I know. I know. I could be a stinker of a troll when I wanna be.

Paypal... Yeah....lets laugh at Elon...(another rant that should be directed at another area in this website...) (I gotta go...doctor's appointment...but Id like to continue this rant with you....Im having fun....) PS...Im listening and actually agreeing to everything you and Drew are saying...I just hate UBER!

Yeah....but a flat plane crank is a flat plane crank... Marketing takes over... THAT is what the article is all about. There are many other fantastic things the Voodoo engineering does (I havent read the article in detail yet)...but strictly marketing the Voodoo as a flat plane crank diminishes all other aspects of it... And the faux pas I made earlier is what Balthy is trying to convey to me....and SMK... I dont know how to post that link any other way CCAP.

wear and tear on the vehicle... It seems very few people factor that in... But then again, we are living in the leasing era, leasing cars badges on the front of the car way beyond what we are supposed to be affording. We justify that by conveniently calculating our budgets on a monthly basis and we fool ourselves in thinking to squeeze in the payments based on a monthly calculation. Then we try to find secondary sources of income to fuel our make-belief dreams that we are richer than we actually are to prove to our closest friends, family and neighbors that we have made it... Here is another rant I did on UBER. https://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/87102-industry-news-hertz-makes-deals-with-lyft-and-uber/ If you cant tell...I HATE UBER! Listen...I aint denying that it may be convenient or fast or cheap or easy to use...

400 RPM? How does that sound like? Does it sound like the engine is about to stall? Does it sputter? Does it kinda lope like a big block? Choppy kinda? I dont think Ive ever heard anything like that before.

Yeah. I figured as much 1/4 of the way through the article. And the article says that exact same thing at the end. The marketing geniuses have worked their magic undermining the rest of what makes the 5.2 liter great. I need to read the whole thing slowly though because the article seems to underline the real engineering feats of the 5.2 liter Voodoo.

Pretty sure I never heard of her. Teenager's dream in the 1980s. The way us 80s teenagers had Samantha , you old fogies had Marilyn back in the day...

^ You may have just done that : flat plane cranks are commonplace. Guess what else runs one- the EcoBoost Mustang. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/flat-plane-silliness-how-crankshaft-press-release-duped-stephen-kim Thanx Balthy. Long read. I skimmed through it. Will read tomorrow at a much slower pace so I could process all of the info. Will you be requiring the same cut from the $24 000 difference like the author suggested too?

Meh. I like what I like and don't like what I don't like. That's never changed, despite all the whining it can engender from the peanut gallery. Adults talk about cars on car forums. Children talk about posters. I always liked this poster: My momma made me take it down.. I dont even know why to this day. Its not as if its a revealing poster. Had it been this one, Id understand Anyways.....Samantha Fox still rules! I so wanna touch her still today....it hurts!

Plus that GT350 has an exotic like flat plane crank V8.. Same like Ferrari. Only bigger cubic inches making it more exotic because even rarer. And that Mopar in the pic...is most definitely exotic for its day. Too many people equate exotic with foreign...

Just an opinion that somebody holds.... No big deal really... Just a good read. Something to think about... American self-hatred aside... From Road&Track. http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a29944/leave-tesla-alone/

WTF???!!! That seems like it was a close call... Yeah...I did some visuals of the movie "Duel" after you mentioned it while I was reading about your ordeal. Scary stuff...

Thanx Balthy. Great video. Great car! Banker's Hot Rod! I like it!

But the problem is Hyper.... Nazi Germany (Tesla)... had so much advanced technology (Tesla) that the Allied powers scrambled to copy and steal during WW2 and after WW2... The Atom bomb...Nazi Germany was working on one....some historians say had the war prolonged for another short 6 months, Nazi Germany would have had there own atom bomb. Don't forget....the jet age started during WW2, and 'twas Nazi Germany at the forefront of that technology... Rockets...Wernher von Braun...V1 and V2 and Messershmidt Komets The thing is...Tesla is giving that technology away...instead of Russian and American forces lying and cheating to get as many Nazi engineers and scientists as they can...Wernher von Braun and Nasa and the trip to the moon... Elon Musk has barely a decade under his belt as an automotive exec. Bob Lutz...his whole career is based on the fact that he is an automobile exec. And he is 80 years old. One could not argue the "what if" side of things if Elon will survive as long as Bob Lutz survived in the jungle that is the automobile industry... But...Paypal is nothing to laugh at... Bob Lutz has NEVER made a product as world changing as Paypal has changed the world in how humans do business... Today...in the automotive world...its nearly impossible to string out hit after hit after hit with many types of cars...and Bob Lutz is a testament to how great he was and how difficult it is... Like you said about how he turned BMW around... But...like I said...the Pontiac GTO, Pontiac G8, Pontiac Solstice were all duds...and yes...he did recognize that Pontiac was going down fast! But...after dabbling in the computer world and getting bored, Elon moved into the car world, and his mark on it is the Tesla Model S....not too bad for a rookie... However, this dick measurement contest was about business acumen initially... PAYPAL ...and it stops right there!

The moment you realize that computer animated kid's movies are more interesting, entertaining, funnier, than their real human counterpart movie...even the action scenes are dope!!! Tintin, Zootopia, Big Hero 6 are recent movies I just saw with my kids...and a whole lotta fun!!!

Paypal... THAT should be the end of this Dick measuring contest... And the cherry on top of the Dick... The Model S is what is making post-Maximum Bob BMW to go full tilt with EVs like the i3 and i8... Argue all you want....seems like sour grapes to me...

lol that's essentially how I went about it.. But I kept the van. It's a gnarly van...what can I say... So what would you buy with the 120k? He did say a nice little ensemble. A nice sexy black dress A nice sexy red dress and all the accessories that come with it He is a married fella....nothing is coming to him. He is one whipped boy. Why else would he use the term 'ensemble'? As long as he eats well at home...who cares? Right?!

That CAMARO looks HOT! That statement coming from me, it must mean something... I LOVE these choices, man!

Bob Lutz has business acumen... Sure, the Volt is a success....so is the Model S. However, all Australian imports were duds. Pontiac GTO, Pontiac G8, Chevrolet SS... The Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky was also a dud... Business acumen....sure...past business acumen....Maximum Bob stayed in the past... Elon Musk defines the present and the future. Starting with PayPal. Ending with battery production. In the middle is marketing an electric vehicle to the masses and making it cool to own one, in the process creating a fine damned electric automobile in the Model S. The irony....the Model S' competitor in the Fisker Karma went bust. Maximum Bob took the Fisker Karma body shell and added the only thing he knows best....a V8 under the hood instead of batteries. That works for me...but many others see that as an ancient technique... Elon has it...electricity is a far more volatile form of power than black gold!!! Argue that all you want... Maximum Bob is a relic from the past. Elon is the next coming of Christ. No matter how you view that, whether for or against or bad or good....that is the reality of things.... Business acumen....Elon all by himself changed the world on how we do business, over the internet, all by himself shortened the trade routes and expanded them all at the same time....business acumen you say??? Yeah....I dont think Maximum Bob has anything over Elon...

By all means, please do. Ill re-do mine a little later as well. But Ill do what you did in your first post. A motorcycle and a watch sounds intriguing...

I thought it might have been fun to do this thread since yesterday, and a couple of days prior, the hot topic was about a G Wagen. So bump... Like the song thread. Ill be the pitbull and be relentless and adamant...some of you WILL respond to this thread...

Mr. DFELT... Im guessing your parents are married for a looooong time. Your dad has learned the single most important set of words in a marriage... Yes dear. Im putting my money on your mom winning this.... No contest, therefore no popcorn is needed... (Im not there yet, Im still learning...popcorn is needed in my household. The battles dont go my way though. Im still trying to win the war but Im guessing Ill wave the white flag and surrender when Im old and gray...)

Dear Dave, Its a step in the right direction. Good for you for tolerating...Pitbull. All his songs always contain a couple of spanish words, mainly numbers counting up, a couple of ooooooweeeeeess and that is it. But the beat is a killer beat. I have no idea what the chicas do in 2016, but the Montreal chicas circa 1992-1996 LOVED this kinda stuff and went crazy on the dance floor. If an alpha male wanted to mate in Montreal circa 1992-1996, he had no choice but to tolerate this kinda stuff, learn to dance and move his pelvis in ways Elvis would be jealous.... So that is why I like this music today. Dear Mr.DFELT Its AWESOME that you like Pitbull's version. I think when you were younger, the ladies were not a problem for you. I think you know what I know about the ladies and the dance floor...

You like the brown material....because you are a brown man, my friend.