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Greece.... It aint big government that failed Greece...(it did not help) Greece...as rich as Ancient Greece is in folklore, myths, stories and history...modern Greece has as many reasons why it failed... One does not even have to include the 375 years of enslavement that Greece was under the Ottoman Empire to have that many reasons.

OK...Samantha aint for anybody. And her music either.... Well, Its at least better than the crap they shove down our throats today. Barely. Just like cars, I like music. Any style. My LOVE is rock-n-roll though! Up until the age of 18, I was a shy guy. And no girl looked at me. From 19 and on though....something changed with me... And the girls, they were all over me... That was the legal leash being removed so all the hot girls could rock your world! I think this song fits what we are talking about... Hot Girls Removing legal leashes. (You could leave your hat on) Strip Clubs. Kim Basinger. These 3 songs played a part in some way or form in that transformation.

Blake... I don't comprehend your post...\ Sarcasm... But its all over the place... Like I said... Us geezers started the video game craze... Line-ups to play Pac Man. No joke... Line ups to play Mortal Kombat... But...us geezers also played sports... You millennials cry poverty? HA! The 1980s was nothing but poverty... Watch the movie Blade Runner, or the original Robocop to see the sarcasm play out with poverty versus Wallstreet. The Gordn Gecko movie also showed a glimpse of how the corporate world destroys regular lives... But that is the thing I don't understand... You think that you live a terrible life in 2016? Again... rent the movie Colours or New Jack City and (sorry, download it on your tablet or whatever device you are using) and see how life was in the streets through a STRAIGHT FROM THE 1980s perspective....) Straight Outta Compton, the movie... I haven't seen this....and I want to...but I really don't have to as I LIVED through the 1980s...I KNOW how it was... NO NO NO....I wasn't a gang banger...living in da hood in NYC or LA.... So... what is your rage about? You know....in my youth... kids, even in the city...I grew up in the city....we went outside to play games....sports of all kinds... And we had video games just like you... You know...my kids are 11 (in Sept) and 9... They play outside AND play video games and are on MANY SMART devices you could imagine... Smart devices (tablets) are required for school....and I am 100% on board with that technology...to learn and use...not to catch Pokémon... Remember...I used to jump over barrels to get to a big Monkey that captured Pauline...and Mario was the dudes name...of Super Mario Bros fame...which that original game is from the 1980s anyway...and before that franchise saving princesses for Bowzer...he was going inside tubes and pipes for some reason in another video game...in the 1980s... Yeah...Mario is an old fart...but still going on strong...

WOW! it has become a serious subject along the lines of automotive media relations. OUCH! OK....Im one of those geezers that hate this shyte! Im 43 years old! HOLD ON NOW!!!!! Let us be aware of what this implies... Anybody that is between the ages of 40-50 years old are one of the FIRST AGE GROUPS to PLAY VIDEO GAMES!!!! Ping Pong, the Ballye Home Video Game System (google it, it was even before Atari), Atari, ColecoVision, Genesis, Pac Mac, Donkey Kong, Asteroids, Break-out, Q-Burt, Turbo, and so forth and so forth....(and all this BEFORE 1984...that is before the original Ghostbusters movie...and The Terminator and Beverley Hills Cop...) So... I get that kids are obese and they don't go outside.... I also get that this Pokémon GO shyte kinda encourages to go outside... But...when did video games replace sports activities? No need to play baseball, soccer and the like if one is not interested in team sports... SWIMMING BIKE RIDING HIKING are a few outdoor activities that involve the whole family that does not require us to be ZOMBIES in front of yet another TV screen of some sort... Remember dudes... Ive had a Ballye video game system that a friend gave me with 3-4 games and a Colecovision with 80 some odd games and the original NES with another 30-40 or so games and let us not forget the Arcades... Asteroids on Commodore Vic 20 was crap....but not Arcades...Break-out and Donkey Kong and Pac Man and Turbo...on the Coloeco...I had the wheel, but I played that at the Arcades and many many other games...and that is BEFORE Mortal Kombat at the arcardes... I have 2 kids... Oh yeah...they play video games. But. They also skate in the winter time outside. The play baseball on teams in the summer. I help the caches sometimes with their practices. Our neighbourhood kids all ride their bikes, like all the time. They ride their bikes with my kids. I ride with my kids from time to time. And yeah...those kids also play video games... Yo...let us not use this as an excuse NOT to ride a freakin bike because we wanna catch Pokémon instead... And yes Balthy... Id rather catch a pretty girl than a Pokémon...

BLU.... That above post sounds aggressive to me. I dont mean it to be. What I meant to write is: I know you are having fun with this but...look at the badge next to the Olympic Rings... And even there, I screwed up... There are only 5 Olympic Rings... 3 on top and 2 on the bottom. And even my parting words sound aggressive: "Look it up!" I realize I look like a doooosh writing it that way... Oh well...the intent to bring some fun into it was all sucked out... SORRY!

You are making fun... But... Look at the badge on that car to the left of the 4/6 (simplify fraction equals 2/3) Olympic Rings . 1994 Audi RS2 Look it up!

OK...Samantha aint for anybody. And her music either.... Well, Its at least better than the crap they shove down our throats today. Barely. Just like cars, I like music. Any style. My LOVE is rock-n-roll though! Up until the age of 18, I was a shy guy. And no girl looked at me. From 19 and on though....something changed with me... And the girls, they were all over me...

The MT article does indeed speak for itself... ALL BY ITSELF.... Its full of tough words that make them look bad...and desperate for attention...

Listen Surreal.... More than what I have posted RIGHT AFTER DREW gave me a warning is pushing my luck...with DREW! I don't care what YOU are BONG thinks! My answer is clear at post #149... My opinion of El Kabong on his thread is also clear all over his thread! The rest Surreal...I suggest we cut it because we are giving Drew a hard time for nothing!

Don't be putting words in my mouth... Dayum is right.... I guess El K... There is nothing more to say about that. You stand by your thread and I stand by my opinion. Is there anything more to add other than pushing a trolly agenda? Remember, Drew has already warned BOTH of us... (PS...Surreal. Does THAT answer your question on where Drew stands with me?!)

Double good. So....does it really matter? And who the phoque actually cares other than a couple of trolls...

And I stand by my opinion...

Ok OK You self vindicated....while I self-peasured....never mind

As long as you Drew, have the last word...

Handling by Lotus...which I already mentioned like, it sees eons ago, in this thread. HYPER...your TUNING by CORVETTE is a fantastic idea!!!

No but you and CASA cried like babies regarding MT and that issue over at MT forums.... Like I said...YOU cherry pick! yeah....you could quit your charade and leave this like that.... But you want to have the last word....by back slapping insults towards me or Ford.... But you wont have the last word...because I wont let your crap go through

I debunked you and MT and you butthurt that your crap does not fly... And you resorted by: 1. calling me a fanboy of some sort. 2. saying Im butthurt. But...like you said....it is YOUR thread that is full of shyte that MANY have seen through.. In the process, many see through YOUR crap even more.... THIS thread makes it so vivid that you are nothing but hot air and empty words... Yeah....you butthurt alright! All this for a lowly Ford Focus in a compact car segment comparo.... MT is on a battle cry for a Ford Focus.... SILLY and they lost me forever as somebody that takes their word seriously... And whoever uses Motor Trend as their bible for arguing cars..

Who is butthurt other than YOURSELF?

EXACTLY! And with baby steps if need be. Start with the "Tuned by Corvette" badging. Chevy SS badged vehicles could benefit from such "Tuned by Corvette" badging... And if done right, more praise for Corvette and more exposure for the Corvette brand that expanding a Corvette line-up should not be that off the wall...

Yeah..politics.... In one world, Ford is afraid that everybody is against them while in another, they let them win the 24 hours of Lemans! According to El Kabong.... Right....Its all politics

Better in who's eyes?YOURS? HA! You are nothing but a arm chair bench racer.... Car and Driver gave that victory to the GT350 over a Stingray.... Corvette....Chevy's top dog... By YOUR logic If Camaro 1LE or SS (who cares?) beats GT350 And the GT350 beats Stingray Then Camaro 1LE is better than Stingray.. Its a waste of money and resources to go with a Stingray...PATHETIC even... GM should just cancel the Stingray. How could GM engineer a C7 only to have a lowly pony car beat it? 2 lowly pony cars beat it.... 2 pony cars!!! The Camaro 1LE AND the GT350 El K, you argue like a highschool-er! ...and that's one of the reasons it's going out of production.Thank you for proving my point. Now go calm down. It's just getting silly, and I don't want to make any cruel comeback quips about elementary school And that is why the next gen Mustang is in effect right now! A couple of years earlier. Let us talk about the C8 shall we???!!! Will it be mid-engined? Duntov wanted that from the early 1960s... You know what. Ford beat Chevy to that punch 3 times... 1.In the mid 60s. 2.The early 2000s 3.and now... So...any other "just wait and see" arguments... EL K....GROW UP!

Better in who's eyes? YOURS? HA! You are nothing but a arm chair bench racer.... Car and Driver gave that victory to the GT350 over a Stingray.... Corvette....Chevy's top dog... By YOUR logic If Camaro 1LE or SS (who cares?) beats GT350 And the GT350 beats Stingray Then Camaro 1LE is better than Stingray.. Its a waste of money and resources to go with a Stingray...PATHETIC even... GM should just cancel the Stingray. How could GM engineer a C7 only to have a lowly pony car beat it? 2 lowly pony cars beat it.... 2 pony cars!!! The Camaro 1LE AND the GT350 El K, you argue like a highschool-er!

Dude....we've already mentioned why the GT350 costs as much as it does... The LT1 engine has Vette sales and truck sales to offset the price tag.... The Voodoo is a one-off special edition engine... QUIT the BS about price tags... The GT350's sound alone is worth the price of admission. Ive said this before... magazine performance numbers are only good for arm chair racers much like your self.... Have YOU raced a GT350 and a Camaro SS or 1LE to concur your obvious strong opinion that you hold? Prolly not! You hold MT on a high pedestal yet denounce Car and Driver's findings for the GT350 cherry picking... What are MT's motives for calling out Ford for a Focus RS? They did not get their freebies from Ford? Then they threaten... You havent yet given a valid reason....only to point the finger at Ford... THAT is very silly and foolish of you... Sorry but a sweet engine not does not justify a high price on any car especially if that's the only reason to do so. Hold up, full stop. The Camaro Z/28 was criticized constantly for the high price tag, which was due to the $16,000 hand built LS7 and $8,000 carbon ceramic brakes. Either an exotic, rare engine justifies higher cost or it doesn't but lets keep consistency here. Also, Olds, you mentioned earlier that Ford has all the right to withhold its vehicles, and that's true. But not to the benefit of shareholders. As Motor Trend stated: next time they'll take whatever Hertz has on the lot. Who stands to lose out when a rental-grade, abused Ford gets compared to shiny, prepped examples from other brands? That is what I said...Motor Trend's credibility gets shot if they do that. Detriment to the shareholders...quite possible. But what if there was a shareholder's meeting about media relations and the shareholders majority win was to with hold test vehicles for magazines. Its just advertisement at the end of the day and maybe FoMoCo doesnt think its effective for them? OK...this is where El Kabong can give his opinion regarding performance stats... But...I have a feeling that no-shows from certain big guns hurt valuable advertising dollars and sales at the stands when certain companies with hold cars... The Focus RS is a big gun in this comparo and it might hurt sales at the stand when Ford withholds out on a Focus because fans want to know about ALL cars in this class.... This bravado talk is simple in my eyes.... It seems that Ford does not need MT for Focus RS sales but MT needs Focus RS for sales at the stands... That is one way to look at it... PS: when it comes to specialty pony cars like the Camaro Z28 or GT350, I will PERSONALLY not whine for high price tags.. A 1969 ZL-1 Camaro was as expensive back in the day as the today's Z28 and GT350...

Dude....we've already mentioned why the GT350 costs as much as it does... The LT1 engine has Vette sales and truck sales to offset the price tag.... The Voodoo is a one-off special edition engine... QUIT the BS about price tags... The GT350's sound alone is worth the price of admission. Ive said this before... magazine performance numbers are only good for arm chair racers much like your self.... Have YOU raced a GT350 and a Camaro SS or 1LE to concur your obvious strong opinion that you hold? Prolly not! You hold MT on a high pedestal yet denounce Car and Driver's findings for the GT350 cherry picking... What are MT's motives for calling out Ford for a Focus RS? They did not get their freebies from Ford? Then they threaten... You havent yet given a valid reason....only to point the finger at Ford... THAT is very silly and foolish of you...

I knew BALTHY would come through!!! Even though he does not know who Samantha Fox was/is... (And he calls himself a 1980s teen...)