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Nice B-17. You've inspired me to go back to WW2 aircraft pics for a signature...

I really cant stand the Eurovan look. I learned how to drive the Montreal winters and parallel park in my uncle's 1988 white Chevy Van. Work van. 350 cubic inch V8. No side windows. I remember those 1970s custom vans and my all time favorite van is this one: Obviously my uncle's van did not look like that, but you could see where my allegiance falls regarding vans. My second favorite van would be these: and tied for second place: So...these Eurovans could kiss my @$$!

Sorry to hear about that buddy. My sincerest condolences. I know how you feel... Its been exactly 2 weeks that I received the news about my mommy. Hang in there. Grieve the way you wanna grieve. Grieve as much as you want, however you want. And just stand tall and proud because we only have one momma.

As much as I hate the Camaro's exterior looks, Im elated with the fact that a GM 2.0T could reach horsepower highs to take it to the Golf GTIs and Civics and Subaru WRX Stis and BRZs and everything that resembles the Fast and Furious Tunermobiles...with a tight little Alpha platform sports car that could out accelerate, out turn, out muscle, out tune, out fart can, out about anything without the use of a V8 engine...yup...a 4 cylinder Camaro....beating up the competition in 4 cylinder tuner guise, in 6 cylinder mid level guise and in V8 pony car form...other than the Hellcat of course...but the Hellcat is a pure mid-sized muscle car rather than pony car muscle car... I wanna wish the same for an ecoboosted 4 cylinder Mustang...but I have to say that Chevrolet/GM really made a Camaro that is really really hard to beat... Like I said, the Camaro 2.0T is very tuneable that will wreak havoc on any 4 cylinder sporty coupe competition no matter what domain the performance criteria will be...be it in handling, in tracking, in straight line acceleration...and yes, Im talking about the 4 cylinder only.

SQUONK SQUONK! Im imagining how that SQUONK SQUONK horn sounds like and Im replaying it in mind!

I just dont feel it... I cant stand it no no no ... Id rather the Audi S6...

I equally like both generations. I really dont know yet how I feel about the loss of the toothy waterfall grill. I know I like the new grille. I just dont know if Im ready to let go of the toothy waterfall grill just yet. I guess it really is time to retire the toothy waterfall grill as Hyper mentioned, the 1950s are long gone.

Basically for me, it came down to three cars... Mustang GT350 2017 Corvette Grand Sport But I figured, Im not a track guy, nor a two seater type guy either. So the Challenger wins...because muscle car in the truest sense of the genre.

Ive seen a couple of posters that have chosen Challenger Hellcats. Id like to join that group of people...MOPAR rules! Sublime or Jazz Blue for me. Hellcat or Scat Pack. Either or. Although that Cadillac ATS-V that Casa posted looks damned good too...

One thing that Im disappointed in with the comparo test is that the BMW and M-B were not tested. I would have like to see not only how the Caddy fits in with the new offerings from BMW and M-B, but the Audi as well... I just googled the A6...it has only been on the market for 4 years...but it might as well be an eternity. The CTS is only 2 years younger, but Cadillac came to play hard with this generation CTS and the other two Germans are new. I agree with the interior of the A6...its awesome...

OK...with that being said... Could I actually keep my opinion that I prefer the Cadillac CTS-V Sport over the Audi S6 because the CTS looks a lot less than its other brothers than the Audi S6 does to the Audi A4/S4? I stand by what I said... It might be a petty childish argument, but my argument holds water...and nobody will ever change that... And Im sure you folk will hold on to your opinions just as strong as I do mine... But I did post pics and explain them to prove how I view things...rather than just use blanket statement words that everybody is guilty of producing cars that look the same... No drama we said... Cool... Its funny though, I got one poster trying to refute my opinion of preference and another telling me (and others) to cut the crap.... Yet...reality is...Cadillac as of 2016...does NOT produce cars that look EXACTLY the same...like others do... They look similar, sure... Oldsmobile... Cadillac might not be as differentiated as Oldsmobile was in similarity, but they are not as close as some of us want to portray either... And THAT is the God's honest truth... It is NOT a bad thing for Audi or BMW or even Cadillac to do that... I do prefer the Oldsmobile way rather than the Audi way... From one extreme to the other and Cadillac as of now, is in the middle. This will surely change...but as of 2016...not as guilty as the others...

No Frisky...they dont look exactly the same...especially the way the Audis do... Anyone who says differently is trying to justify an obvious biased opinion... I showed pics...with the Cadillacs... The ATS and the CTS look like they lean forward...as does the XTS...but the XTS has obvious FWD forward leaning stances...but the ATS and the CTS have that look because the body lines are designed that way... The CTS has a body line that starts form the front wheel well and goes upwards towards the back crosses both door handles and ends at the top of the back lights. The ATS has that also, but its very very subtle...while retaining the lean forward look... But because its so subtle...keen eyes need to notice that, but with the CTS its very apparent... The CT6...the body lines are the same...the same line that starts from the front wheel well, crosses both door handles and finishes at the top of the backlights...but the CT6 stance is more level...it does not lean forward...at all... It actually looks laid back rather than go get her forward. And the body lines are not drawn at the same angles... Sure...someone could confuse that...but that someone could not tell a Ford from a Ferrari... In Audis case... The same body line is the same across the board...the same stance...the same green house... The same body line that starts from the top of the front headlight...crosses the side profile at exactly the same angle and finishes at the exact same spot which is at the top of the back light....having the same visual impact and the same profile and stance... An observant Average Joe could actually tell the difference with Cadillac cars... An enthusiast has difficulty with Audis from afar. That is the BIG difference... You could argue all you want...and at the end of the day..its just an opinion that you and I hold... But...please...dont try to justify your bias... I...have justified my biases with deep explanations and pics... Do the same if you want to be on an equal footing with me.

The Drachma? Sorry Drew, ever since 2002, the Drachma gave way to the Euro... Oh...DRAMA... OK...no drama...just comedy.

LOL!!! OK...Ill take it down. I just wanted to post a nice cool pic of a nice cool baseball field. I went from Fenway Park to 1930s Wrigley Field to 1930s Yankee Stadium to 1950s Ebbets Field... Then I remembered that AT&T baseball field has a cool view...so I went with that. I found a cool pic of Wrigley Field free of marketing advertising BS....although I did enjoy the years when that house was painted all red and advertised Budweiser back in the day.

Like I said...Cadillacs are different enough from each other, yet look the same...but still have a different enough look about them. We could argue about what the Average Joe sees in his eyes until the cows come home, Audis have the EXACT body lines and stances across the board, while Cadillac differentiates that slightly. Therefore, just to recap my post about why I chose the Cadillac CTS V-Sport over the Audi S6... Visually, the Cadillac CTS V-Sport for me...has that perfect balance of Cadillac boldness and conservativeness while looking slightly different from its other Arts and Science siblings, while the Audi S6...may be a tad too conservative for me, which I dont really mind at all, it looks tooo much like its smaller A4/S4 brother which is a deal breaker for me concerning the comparison between the Audi and the Cadillac...

No Frisky.... The CTS looks NOTHING like the ATS...nor the CT6. The ATS...looks like a cross between last generation CTS and new CTS, but the new CTS has a much much different front end...even the average Joe could tell it apart. The CT6...well yeah...part of the Arts and Science family...but waaay different. The XTS...looks like a whale. A stance that has a very nose heavy feel about it. Even Average Joes can see that a mile away. The least attractive of the Cadillacs, and its going away. Different length of sausages. Cadillac on the other hand...has similar features...sure...but there is a slight variation to each where it does not seem like same sausage different length. The lines across the bodies are waaaaay different but with Audi and now Mercedes-Benz, they keep the same body lines as well.. Same stance...but different lines to achieve same stance. This one leans less front wards and it seems to be more level... Has about the same side lines as the CTS, but different enough. The XTS...just a whale... Do the same with Audi, and you will see that the body lines are identical...just the length of the body changes... The Average Joe could actually pick up those slight difference in the Cadillacs...but even enthusiasts have a hard time telling the difference in the Audis from afar. If people cant tell the differences in the Cadillacs, its because those people wont know the different between a Ford Fusion and an Aston Martin anyway...and even then, I had a customer tell me the 2013 Ford Fusion looks like a Jaguar...so...those people are hopeless anyway...

Put aside my alliance with Cadillac, this is a tough choice for me to make in the real world. Like CCAP said, living in snow country, FWD or AWD means more to me than anything else, but in this category, AWD is kinda useless, the extra heft nullifies the nature of these beasts...Id almost never buy the AWD version of a RWD sports sedan....yes I now, the Audi is not RWD based...its still a sports sedan with RWD intentions...and I am very very impressed with Audi's interiors... And the Audi has a V8 motor as compared to a V6 in the V-Sport Cadillac. Therefore...both Cadillac CTS V-Sport and Audi S6 both have qualities that I dearly respect for the real world. But there is one criteria from the real world that I will use to determine the winner for me...and its based off of emotional and visual cues. Its too bad the Audi S6 is bland and boring and still looks like its predecessor from a decade ago. Some like that conservative styling...and I also like it...had it not been for the fact that the A6/S6 looks EXACTLY like a stretched A4/S4... So that makes 2 faults with the visuals of the A6/S6...OK 1.5 faults as I do like the conservative styling of the A6/S6...and i could easily live with the bland conservative styling...but it looks toooo much like its smaller brother... This is where Cadillac shines. It looks nothing like its siblings, still has that familiar Arts and Science Cadillac look while still keeping it different but same, has that Cadillac boldness but at the same time reserved, unlike its hotter boy racer version the "V". So based on emotions...because enthusiast cars are all about the numbers, but also about emotions....the Cadillac wins for me. On a side note...I wish the Cadillac CTS V used all that aero packaging like it does now, but the styling toned down quite a bit so it wouldnt have been so boy racer.... I keep saying this all the time: The only full on boy racer styling I like on cars is Lamborghinis and Pontiacs. Subaru WRX STis and classic muscle cars.

Yup. You mentioned humans must be like animals to be unethical. Sure, because animals know of just one thing: survival of the fittest. Animals to achieve this, wont back stab, cheat, lie, murder, over dramatize to survive. Animals let nature take its course. Unlike humans. You mentioned humans must be god-like creatures. I might not agree with this 100%, though. Why? Ancient Greek Gods, if you study them, are full of unethical actions. Rape, incest, betrayal...One could say that Ancient Greek Gods have more flaws than the mortals themselves. If we talk about the God. Jehovah of the Judaeo-Christian faith, God made Man in his own image, and we all know that Man is far from being ethical, hence all the rules that Man has to follow to be a good Christian/Jewish... Just a fast and quick argument on my part to solidify Suave's take on things. My argument might also have flaws in it, but hey....Im only human. At least my argument is genuine and from the heart. A little less unethical than what one might presume about me... Ford, in the past, has made some very sketchy decisions...(Ford Pinto). This is not about the past and about the present? OK...I could live with that...but Ford is a multi-national corporation run by humans... Im a little bit skeptical about ethics and big multi-corporations....it dont matter who, or what company it is... Is Ford more ethical than other companies? I could agree to that...but that is like saying Hitler was a slightly more ethical dictator than Stalin was... And in what way is Ford more ethical than other companies? Corporate culture? Im sure all corporations have some sort of corporate guidelines that try to prevent unethical activities. Its the leaders and the share holders behind the corporations that ultimately decide what direction the companies will ultimately follow...its the humans leading the corporations that should be judged about ethics...like I said...guidelines have been put in place...but will the present and future management teams respect those guidelines?

Here's a cyber hug; hope it makes things a tiny bit better! ( )

Thanx Balthy for the response. I did not mean anything by that post...Like I said, Im just a tad emotional and reading into things too much, but with no negativity on my mind both here in the forums and in real life.

Maybe BLU needs arrows in that pic to pin point the differences between the Lincoln and the Ford. A small taunting on my part that compliments another ribbing that I did to him regarding arrows and fart cans.

I must say, that is a most accurate description of a possible Rolls Royce SUV... Compared to a possible RR SUV, Id rather the Lincoln MKT me thinks, as a civilian SUV and as my last ride on the way to Hades...

Yup...we will start with you first... Because your noise is like a fart can muffler on a Japanese ricer...

Is that a Pontiac engine block? And does that pic have anything to do with our conversation regarding EV motors and LS swaps and classic muscle cars but as a random thought as to defy the opinion that I have regarding classic muscle cars and EV engine swaps but done so with absolute stealth as to not offend me? Because I sometimes post stuff that way as to not offend the posters I respect a lot. Im curious to see if we have that in common... Or is it just because you love Poncho engines...because I know you love Poncho engines. Anyhoo, I like the pic. And dont mind me...Im quite emotional lately. There is a void in my heart that only a momma could fill. After watching a few clips of that Terry Gene Bollea sex tape trial and him wearing his bandana like he is in character....I have the urge to reply to you in agreement with this: But regarding American V8 engines in muscle cars from America...Id prefer to hear the splendid noise they make as loud as legally possible.

This is awesome!! Also, welcome. There are bunch of us fellow MTers who jumped over here. I wish this place were a little more active. We have to start Dream Car garage threads and the like... Im sure those will take off. We just have to slowly let the C&G guys in on our ways and be patient enough for them to catch on...but Im sure they will take to our Dream Car garage threads. I know CCAP asked for one a couple of weeks ago...