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Buick couldn't be a more useless brand in the US. They only make different branded Chevys, GMCs and Cadillacs. Do they offer anything different than Chevy, GMC or Cadillac?

I'm actually not the member to Sam's Club... my in-laws are the members, haha. We use their membership card to shop and get gas there. I believe my father in law does have their credit card already, but he doesn't use it for gas. They're...uhhh...not the best with money management. They're not wasteful in buying stupid stuff, they just don't do things like this to "let their money work".

Something like this is cute and all, but it needs to be like sub-20k here. This could replace the former Sonic, Fiesta, and Fits of the US. Obviously, it won't though.

I'm pretty obsessive over fuel prices and locations, as well. I just don't quite have the options somebody living where you live has. There's only one Costco in the STL area that I'm aware of and it certainly is not in a location I'd get a membership for. There are a couple different Sam's Clubs that are much closer to me. I don't have a spreadsheet of fuel prices, but I do record every single fill up for my last four vehicles, 2013 Escape (24.87 lifetime average over 24,611 miles), 2016 Focus(32.5lifetime average over 26,590 miles), 2016 Lincoln MKC (22.6 lifetime average over 53,422 miles) and now my 2017 Navigator (16.8 mpg over 3341 miles).

It's cheaper here, too, but not THAT significant. It's more like 8c-15c. I also have to be around one. My town of 10k people does not have a Sam's Club or Costco, hahaha. I will almost always fill up when I'm near a Sam's Club, but I'm not waiting in line for 15 minutes.

I've done it and showed @G. David Felt in the past (posted here). I've tried finding the video but have had no luck. If you have super hero powers as an admin/site owner, please find it! I'll try and remember to do it again the next time I get gas. There are places to wait in lines around here but those are the exception to the rule, not the rule. From my house, I could drive the two blocks away, fill up, and get back home in under 10 minutes. There are never lines in town and it takes no time to start pumping using a credit card. Or I could find a Sam's Club and wait 5-15 minutes in line before pumping gas, but they're the only places you're waiting in line and it isn't every time. I've certainly gotten gas at a Sam's Club and not waited in line. Yes, a heat pump would be necessary here for battery efficiency for at least a third of the year.

Hell yeah! That's how it should be done!

Very few people NEED as much vehicle as we have, most of us on here included(certainly myself). We typically buy what we want and can find a way to justify over what is the bare minimum needed.

Whatever site you're looking at is wrong. It's a 28 gallon tank and pretty easy to find that out. Edmunds: Car and Driver: So what silly site gave you 23 gallons taking 7 minutes? All I'm finding is 8-10 gallons per minute. https://www.franklinfueling.com/en/this-is-franklin/whats-trending/the-hidden-challenges-of-inaccurate-fuel-dispensing/

We live in different worlds, brother. It does not take more than 5 minutes at a pump to fill my Navigator. If I decide to walk inside and grab something to eat or drink, sure the time goes up. Just filling a tank though, 5 minutes.

I get that some are worse than others but a general 30% is pretty standard for the industry, as a whole. Yes, I'd need independent research for something I'd actually be buying, but most of those numbers aren't all that great. Yes, I also realize that ICE vehicles lose about the same efficiency in the winter months as well. But, we also all know it only takes 5-10 minutes to replenish an ICE tank in the winter.

My biggest issue with sub-300 mile range EVs is the actual range in the winter. If said vehicle has a 260 mile range and to maintain the life of the battery I'm only charging it to 80% that then leaves it with 208 miles. Take another 30% off for 4-5 months out of the year when it's cold and crappy... 145 miles of range. Do I drive 150 miles a day? Absolutely not. Do I think a realistic range of 150 miles is adequate? No.

Well, it doesn't video very well, either. Wow, all the people on Kia's YouTube accounts want it?! YA DONT SAY?!

They should have made a "GTI" version of this a decade ago. It seemed like an easy cash cow for them. Charge an extra 5-10k for parts already paid for?!? I love the idea of this.

I just had a feeling with a larger vehicle and therefore less range, it was probably the same battery size just plopped into a larger vehicle.

Ugh, more split headlights.

It's nice they're offering a hybrid this time around.

Yeah, it isn't the best looking vehicle I've ever seen. The rear is what REALLY kills it for me. It looks like two completely different parties designed the front 3/4 than the rear 1/4.

I can't get over this section, on an otherwise very good looking vehicle.

This section looks awful.

This looks really dang good. I wish the EV4 would have had this hatchback body.

It isn't the prettiest thing, but it seems like a great overall package. There's no real need for 800v charging when you're charging at 11.2kWh at home anyway. If it actually gets 300 miles of real world cruising, a 30 minute break to move around is much needed anyway.

My guess is it may be the same size battery.

Absolutely. No real loss there though.. I feel like that's more of a Chrysler continuing to bring mediocre products to the table at prices similar to their competition issue. Haven't Stellantis' brands all done crap this year?

"affordable" sports cars were dead like 5-10 years ago. Once Camaro SSs and Mustang GTs couldn't be found for under 40k, Miatas crested 25k, BRZs surpassed 30k. A BRZ is already nearly 8k more than it was when it first came out.