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They may not be stand-alone but they need their own building now. I found this out because the closest Lincoln dealer to me stopped carrying Lincoln because they wouldn't build a second building for Lincoln so now my closest dealer is like 50 miles away... Yeah, it's just an insane market right now and looking at any used vehicles show this year and clearly an outlier that possibly will never happen again.

As you already know, all of their platforms are being utilized on multiple vehicles which do sell in much higher volumes. The expensive parts are paid for by the volume Ford units.

Did you not notice that everything that's currently in production is up and up by a good amount?

Because they have such a bad reputation prior to like 2015ish. It takes A LONG TIME to finally convince people that something is worth spending luxury money on. They're finally making great products and not trying to be something they aren't. Mercedes has been in a decline since 2016. That must be rough to see. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mercedes-benz-us-figures/

Don't worry, neither does Mercedes, BMW, or Audi. Hell, any other brand. Toyota is clearly an outlier and you're also only looking at an insane market right now. Look at the used prices in a year from now and you will absolutely have depreciation on every used vehicle, Toyotas included.

That doesn't make it bad. That'd be burnt and nobody wants burnt food. 1/10 comparison rating.

I thought there was a year difference but I guess they both got it in 2017.

A few were surprising though. The EcoSport is clearly a POS if they can't sell their cheapest vehicle fairly quick. The Fusion also surprises because it's cancelled and I would have assumed there was cash on the hoods to move them so they didn't have old product on the lots. I would have thought the XT4 was moving a little quicker as well.

No more of a failure than an SLK. Yeah, it was late but if they used their old formula 5 years earlier, it would have been a garbage product. The Continental really was the turning point for Lincoln and has to get credit for where Lincoln is today with their pretty awesome lineup(awesome for comfy, quiet-luxury - Obviously not sporty-luxury). Agreed, and that's why i have it a 9/10 baked product. it was have been more refined in the driving category had it not been on a modified old platform. Also agreed on the small things that went away with the production version. It was nothing drastic but a lot of small things added up to not-quite-as-elegant end product. Personally, I don't think it looked like a badge engineered Fusion or gussied up MKZ, but I do get what you mean.

Unfortunately, it's a hideous vehicle, especially when you have the beautiful S Class on the same lot.

There's zero reason to try and explain because you're instantly going to jump on the sales numbers so you can read some reviews for yourself. The new Continental was far from bad. It was the HUGE step forward that Lincoln needed. It was the first Lincoln in decades to get it's own bespoke engine and they were no longer using Ford switchgear inside. It also had, arguably, the best seats in the industry. I'd say it was 9/10 baked. It needed a little more refinement but it was far from bad.

NASCAR still uses a full-on manual transmission.

Nothing surprises me about David defending automatics.

On a track, I get what David is saying but it certainly is NOT a distraction from driving the other 99.9% of the time, on public roads. They gave that thing damn-near FWD proportions up front. The wheels are pushed too far inward by like 6 inches.

While I, personally, don't really care if they offer a car or not, there really are still plenty of people who want cars. I'm in a couple Lincoln Facebook pages and there are quite a few who still want cars and want to upgrade from their Continental or MKZ to a new one but they don't exist.

Also, why is that list different than the link? This is what shows up when I go to the link. EDIT: Never mind, I see the link was 2020 and the new list is 2021. Well, here's the 2020 list for comparison! Hahaha

It's kind of disappointing to see the GMC Sierra and Ram 1500 Classic in the bottom ten.

This is the Benz dealer in which my wife's G-wagen has been for two months now because their "best or nothing" technicians can't fix the vehicle. I could go on a tirade about that elsewhere. Check this out, they're displaying a Silverado up front! And they also have a slew of work vans and back by the service center is about ten of the vans converted to small motor homes or just vans for humans instead of cargo.

That's an ugly slew of vehicles. Maybe they should stick with ICE.

I don't think you've read a single Lincoln review, let alone sat in one. You'd think a fanboy such as yourself would know it's "G-wagen".

What happens in 2025 that "we will see"? Do you really think they'll be gone in only 3.5 years because Musk is a CEO of SpaceX as well?

I don't think there is some crazy "distraction level" that's making Tesla non-profitable. He's not there doing day-to-day activities. He's strictly making company-wide decisions.

Their current portfolio is extremely competitive with everything it their respective price range. They don't build race cars, they built true luxury cars. Quiet, comfortable, quality materials, pickup/drop off your vehicle for service.

SpaceX is it's own private company and financially has nothing to do with Tesla. The Tesla solar panels and Wall Power are part of Tesla though.